SaintsInDome2006
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The FBI released files on 1. Fred Trump & 2. The Foundation, which included pages on Marc Rich.
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Hang 10
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SaintsInDome2006
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The FBI had already been told there are emails relating to Hillary.
The FBI has also revealed through the press that it is investigating: Russian ties to Trump and Page Carter, Russian ties to Wikileaks,and Russian ties to Manafort.
Sammy3469
Footballguy
About sums it up. Comey's lost complete control of his agents. Even taking out the election, the level of leaks going on the past week on both the Clinton and Trump-Russian stuff is just unconscionable. The agents are bound to serve the US government not themselves and their interests whichever side you are on. It's going to take awhile to rehabilitate the FBI in the public's eye no matter which side wins.
ArbyMelt
Footballguy
Vince Foster files:
https://vault.fbi.gov/vincent-foster/vincent-foster-part-01-of-04/view
https://vault.fbi.gov/vincent-foster/vincent-foster-part-02-of-04/view
https://vault.fbi.gov/vincent-foster/vincent-foster-part-03-of-04/view
https://vault.fbi.gov/vincent-foster/vincent-foster-part-04-of-04/view
SaintsInDome2006
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SaintsInDome2006
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timschochet
Footballguy
All of this innuendo, (and I'm not saying it's all false; at this point I just don't know anymore) and she's still a billion times better than Donald Trump.
Sammy3469
Footballguy
IvanKaramazov
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Realistically, I don't think you can expect stuff like this not to leak. That just isn't the way bureaucracies work.
Maybe, but it's inevitable that somebody who stumbles across this information in the course of his or her job is going to decide that the voters have a right to know that Russia is meddling in the election or that Hillary's criminal investigation is back in play. That's not some weird, indefensible position.
If this kind of thing bothers you that much -- and I agree that it should -- the solution is to pick better nominees. Don't nominate shady characters and then get all indignant when that works its way into the news cycle.
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The Commish
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So when am I going to start seeing Trump ads of Obama telling us Hillary can't be trusted? Remember those from 2008?
SaintsInDome2006
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James Daulton
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Rich Conway
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All election props, even including such things as X wins Ohio, currently off the board at sportsbook.ag.
Edit to add: Clinton currently at -280, Trump at +225
Edit to add: Clinton currently at -280, Trump at +225
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Eh, we'be lived with a lot of governmental dysfunctionalism as a country. The GOP shouldn't have nominated the guy Hillary herself would have chosen to run against. Here we are.
timschochet
Footballguy
Which of her firewall states (Pennsylvania, Colorado, Michigan, Wisconsin, Virginia) is she going to lose? Because she has to lose one of these for Trump to be elected, even if he wins ALL of the battlegrounds.
Sammy3469
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Yeah it is...their job is not to leak this stuff either way. Seriously they take an oath not to do this. They don't get some get out of jail public interest card to disclose things as they see fit.
Abraham
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Agree cOmpletely. They had no fewer than 4 other people in the primary that would be comfortably ahead if the party had nominated them. She's going to win. I've still yet to see a reasonable set of polls that gets him to 270.
Peyton Marino
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Baloney Sandwich
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Dinsy Ejotuz
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I keep thinking there's a Children of Summer piece to some of the Trump support.
I'm not talking about the people with legit economic grievances who feel like they've been left behind, and no one cares. I'm talking about the people who are doing fine and think Trump is a dooshnozzle, but are willing to vote for him "to blow things up".
Blowing things up doesn't usually end well, but not very many people living today have experienced anything like the Great Depression or WWII (and the US got off lightly even there). They're underestimating just how off the rails things can go. No one ever believes it will happen to them, until it does.
I'm not talking about the people with legit economic grievances who feel like they've been left behind, and no one cares. I'm talking about the people who are doing fine and think Trump is a dooshnozzle, but are willing to vote for him "to blow things up".
Blowing things up doesn't usually end well, but not very many people living today have experienced anything like the Great Depression or WWII (and the US got off lightly even there). They're underestimating just how off the rails things can go. No one ever believes it will happen to them, until it does.
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IvanKaramazov
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So? Some people naturally come to the conclusion that "the public's right to know" outweighs "I promised not to leak stuff." This sort of thing happens on a regular basis in pretty much every branch of government. Government agents are people just like everybody else -- they don't always just slavishly do what they're told.
timschochet
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Because of the firewalls the odds are still heavily in Hillary's favor. But it's closer than it was before. If this were a football game, it would be Michigan 28, Northwestern 20 with 5 minutes left in the 4th quarter, and Michigan with the ball at midfield. Michigan is by far the better team and all they have to do is run out the clock. But they could fumble or they could be forced to punt, and Northwestern could drive the ball the other way and score, in which case they'd still have to go for 2 just to put it in overtime. So the game is not quite over even though you expect Michigan to win.
Baloney Sandwich
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Let's see what the Marquette Law School poll has to say today but I would think his best bet is either Wisconsin or Michigan. I'm not sure he ends up winning any of them but those would seem to be his best bets.
IvanKaramazov
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More like the Maple Valley Middle School JV team going up against Sisters of Mercy Home for the Cognitively Impaired.
Steve Tasker
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So if Trump really does win, does Comey go into Witness Protection or get some high-up cushy job in Trump's cabinet?
Should be, but is facing pretty much the only candidate she could be in the general
Abraham
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I admire yoU for thinking that there is some nobility in this. Leaks happen because people like personal leverage and power and, as Toby Ziegler once said, "it's fun to be 'in the know'."
Don't see leaking covered in their oath:
I [name] do solemnly swear (or affirm) that I will support and defend the Constitution of the United States against all enemies, foreign and domestic; that I will bear true faith and allegiance to the same; that I take this obligation freely, without any mental reservation or purpose of evasion; and that I will well and faithfully discharge the duties of the office on which I am about to enter. So help me God.
Leeroy Jenkins
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SEPTA strike in full effect in Philadelphia. That means NO mass transit in the city. So one million voters may not be able to get to their polling places or the lines might be crazy long and call for staying open longer as it may take HOURS for people to get back from work.
It took me 2+ hours to get from the city to the burbs last night due to picketing blocking regional rail trains (the only sector not striking).
It took me 2+ hours to get from the city to the burbs last night due to picketing blocking regional rail trains (the only sector not striking).
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Ok thank you again. It's an old closed (really closed) case, would not be surprising.
cobalt_27
Footballguy
PA, VA should be safe. But, Colorado is a concern, IMO. And, as 538 has detailed, MI and WI are not out of the question at all, especially if we see HRC's national numbers dip below 4%.
timschochet
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http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2016/11/02/donald-trump-can-t-merely-be-defeated-he-and-his-deplorables-must-be-crushed.html
It’s not enough for Donald Trump to just lose this election. He must get crushed. Why? Simple, we need to send a message to Trump—as well as to the rest of our nation—that his sexism, bigotry, and racism have no place in America. And perhaps more importantly this would send a powerful message to Trump’s white supremacist and anti-Semitic fans that we will not sit by as Trump mainstreams their hate.
Those are the stakes. Yet stunningly a Washington Post poll released Tuesday finds that enthusiasm among Hillary Clinton supporters is dropping given FBI director’s James Comey’s irresponsibly timed letter about emails found on Huma Abedin’s computer.
Trump and the hate mongers of his base want you to lose enthusiasm. They hope good people sit home and let hate triumph. We can’t allow that.
Let’s be blunt: Trump has served up the most vile, despicable garbage we have seen from a major party presidential nominee ever. And that’s not just my view but also people who have been active in politics for decades, such as Ralph Nader and Barney Frank, who shared that exact sentiment while guests on my SiriusXM radio show.
There’s no moral equivalence between what Clinton has done—or even allegedly done—regarding emails and Trump’s hate-filled fear mongering. Just on Sunday Trump claimed that Clinton would allow “650 million” immigrants “to pour” into our country. That is an absolute lie as noted by the nonpartisan Politifact. But the idea of keeping America a white majority country is red meat for Trump’s xenophobic base.
In that same speech Trump went on to fear-monger about Muslims—something he has been doing since his lie last fall that “thousands” of Muslims cheered in New Jersey on 9/11. This time he claimed that allowing even one Syrian refugee in the country would mean “generations of terrorism” that soon will be “spreading to your schools and communities.”
This type of rhetoric is nothing new for Trump. In fact literally day one of his campaign he began spewing hate when he lied that Mexico was sending rapists. Later he went on to mock a disabled reporter, claim that American-born Judge Gonzalo Curiel should be disqualified from presiding over the fraud lawsuit against Trump because he’s a “Mexican,” and defended his white supporters beating up a Black Lives Matter protester. He has claimed “Islam hates us,” bragged about sexually assaulting women (in the Access Hollywood tape), and made sexist remarks about Megyn Kelly and Carly Fiorina.
And despicably, just 10 days ago he claimed that the 11 women who courageously came forward to report that Trump sexually assaulted them were “liars,” telling a cheering crowd: “Every woman lied when they came forward to hurt my campaign.”
Forget politics for a moment. Trump’s attack on these women will no doubt make other women who are sexually assaulted less likely to come forward. Why? Well, if a major political candidate like Trump can call victims of sexual assault liars to the cheers of thousands of Americans, this sends a message to women across the nation that they may be subject to the same type of abuse.
Imagine a President Trump having the mantle of the presidency and demonizing minorities, stoking hate against Muslims, and shaming women. And if you are going to tell me he will change as president, you’re being an apologist for his hate.
However, the most alarming aspect of this election is that Trump has emboldened the scum of our nation. I’m talking specifically the white supremacist and their ilk openly supporting Trump. These people have crawled out from the shadows thanks to Trump. On Tuesday the KKK’s official paper dedicated its front page to express proud support for Trump noting he best represents the “white Christian Republic” they envision to make America great again.
On Monday one prominent white supremacist launched robocalls trying to help Trump in the battleground state of Utah by claiming conservative third party candidate Evan McMullin is gay. And in September other leaders of the white nationalist movement held a press conference in Washington, D.C., only blocks from the White House, where they expressed their support for Trump and their vision for making America a white homeland that will be free of Jews
These Jew-hating white supremacists have launched a wave of anti-Semitic attacks on social media. The Daily Beast’s Jay Michaelson recently wrote about the Anti-Defamation League’s report documenting the chilling rise in anti-Semitic tweets that the league connects to Trump’s candidacy.
In fact, CNN’s Jake Tapper noted Sunday while interviewing Trump’s campaign manager Kellyanne Conway that a Trump supporter at a campaign event was yelling at the media “Jew-S-A.” Tapper explained that anti-Semites and racists feel a “comfort level” with the Trump campaign yet Trump has alarmingly only responded with a pro forma “I disavow.”
Tapper is 100 percent correct. Trump has shown no hesitation calling people like Senator Elizabeth Warren a “racist” and a “fraud” but has never used such harsh language to describe the anti-Semites and white supremacists supporting him. Indeed, when Trump was given a chance in May on CNN to point blank denounce the anti-Semitic attacks by his supporters on Jewish journalists who had criticized Trump, he responded “I have no message.” Clearly Trump is sending them a message to stay on the Trump train.
Despite what some want you to believe, in the race between Trump and Clinton, Hillary is not the lesser of two evils. There’s only one evil in this race and his name is Donald Trump. And we must unite to crush him come Election Day. Anything else will make Trump and his deplorables believe that their hateful views have a place in mainstream America. And we cannot let that happen.
https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?ur...d-he-and-his-deplorables-must-be-crushed.html
mailto:?subject=Donald Trump Can’t ... supremacists delirious. We must crush them.
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It’s not enough for Donald Trump to just lose this election. He must get crushed. Why? Simple, we need to send a message to Trump—as well as to the rest of our nation—that his sexism, bigotry, and racism have no place in America. And perhaps more importantly this would send a powerful message to Trump’s white supremacist and anti-Semitic fans that we will not sit by as Trump mainstreams their hate.
Those are the stakes. Yet stunningly a Washington Post poll released Tuesday finds that enthusiasm among Hillary Clinton supporters is dropping given FBI director’s James Comey’s irresponsibly timed letter about emails found on Huma Abedin’s computer.
Trump and the hate mongers of his base want you to lose enthusiasm. They hope good people sit home and let hate triumph. We can’t allow that.
Let’s be blunt: Trump has served up the most vile, despicable garbage we have seen from a major party presidential nominee ever. And that’s not just my view but also people who have been active in politics for decades, such as Ralph Nader and Barney Frank, who shared that exact sentiment while guests on my SiriusXM radio show.
There’s no moral equivalence between what Clinton has done—or even allegedly done—regarding emails and Trump’s hate-filled fear mongering. Just on Sunday Trump claimed that Clinton would allow “650 million” immigrants “to pour” into our country. That is an absolute lie as noted by the nonpartisan Politifact. But the idea of keeping America a white majority country is red meat for Trump’s xenophobic base.
In that same speech Trump went on to fear-monger about Muslims—something he has been doing since his lie last fall that “thousands” of Muslims cheered in New Jersey on 9/11. This time he claimed that allowing even one Syrian refugee in the country would mean “generations of terrorism” that soon will be “spreading to your schools and communities.”
This type of rhetoric is nothing new for Trump. In fact literally day one of his campaign he began spewing hate when he lied that Mexico was sending rapists. Later he went on to mock a disabled reporter, claim that American-born Judge Gonzalo Curiel should be disqualified from presiding over the fraud lawsuit against Trump because he’s a “Mexican,” and defended his white supporters beating up a Black Lives Matter protester. He has claimed “Islam hates us,” bragged about sexually assaulting women (in the Access Hollywood tape), and made sexist remarks about Megyn Kelly and Carly Fiorina.
And despicably, just 10 days ago he claimed that the 11 women who courageously came forward to report that Trump sexually assaulted them were “liars,” telling a cheering crowd: “Every woman lied when they came forward to hurt my campaign.”
Forget politics for a moment. Trump’s attack on these women will no doubt make other women who are sexually assaulted less likely to come forward. Why? Well, if a major political candidate like Trump can call victims of sexual assault liars to the cheers of thousands of Americans, this sends a message to women across the nation that they may be subject to the same type of abuse.
Imagine a President Trump having the mantle of the presidency and demonizing minorities, stoking hate against Muslims, and shaming women. And if you are going to tell me he will change as president, you’re being an apologist for his hate.
However, the most alarming aspect of this election is that Trump has emboldened the scum of our nation. I’m talking specifically the white supremacist and their ilk openly supporting Trump. These people have crawled out from the shadows thanks to Trump. On Tuesday the KKK’s official paper dedicated its front page to express proud support for Trump noting he best represents the “white Christian Republic” they envision to make America great again.
On Monday one prominent white supremacist launched robocalls trying to help Trump in the battleground state of Utah by claiming conservative third party candidate Evan McMullin is gay. And in September other leaders of the white nationalist movement held a press conference in Washington, D.C., only blocks from the White House, where they expressed their support for Trump and their vision for making America a white homeland that will be free of Jews
These Jew-hating white supremacists have launched a wave of anti-Semitic attacks on social media. The Daily Beast’s Jay Michaelson recently wrote about the Anti-Defamation League’s report documenting the chilling rise in anti-Semitic tweets that the league connects to Trump’s candidacy.
In fact, CNN’s Jake Tapper noted Sunday while interviewing Trump’s campaign manager Kellyanne Conway that a Trump supporter at a campaign event was yelling at the media “Jew-S-A.” Tapper explained that anti-Semites and racists feel a “comfort level” with the Trump campaign yet Trump has alarmingly only responded with a pro forma “I disavow.”
Tapper is 100 percent correct. Trump has shown no hesitation calling people like Senator Elizabeth Warren a “racist” and a “fraud” but has never used such harsh language to describe the anti-Semites and white supremacists supporting him. Indeed, when Trump was given a chance in May on CNN to point blank denounce the anti-Semitic attacks by his supporters on Jewish journalists who had criticized Trump, he responded “I have no message.” Clearly Trump is sending them a message to stay on the Trump train.
Despite what some want you to believe, in the race between Trump and Clinton, Hillary is not the lesser of two evils. There’s only one evil in this race and his name is Donald Trump. And we must unite to crush him come Election Day. Anything else will make Trump and his deplorables believe that their hateful views have a place in mainstream America. And we cannot let that happen.
https://twitter.com/intent/tweet?ur...d-he-and-his-deplorables-must-be-crushed.html
mailto:?subject=Donald Trump Can’t ... supremacists delirious. We must crush them.
http://www.reddit.com/submit?title=...ust-be-crushed.html?via=desktop&source=Reddit
Workhorse
Footballguy
In reality, she isn't losing ANY of these barring either an unprecedented polling miss or a freak asteroid strike.
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Good Schtick that the FBI is wrong for leaking info about Clinton but Clinton is cool for putting highly classified information that often times can out sources and have people killed on a private server.
Rich Conway
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cobalt_27
Footballguy
No reporting on this. I would deeply reconsider the reliability of whatever conduit you found this through. Any time people start talking about the Rothschilds in this manner, alarm bells need to go off. They have been the subject of anti-semitic conspiracy theories for centuries...
cobalt_27
Footballguy
And, Michigan making mistakes all over the field, guys are getting ejected, and the crowd is losing its mind. Trying to run out the clock. The game can't end soon enough.
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timschochet
Footballguy
Boston
Footballguy
And the Michigan Coach smelling like cabbage, urine and farts and blaming the ref for everything his team does wrong...
GoBirds
Footballguy
It's funny how instead of focusing on the corrupt nature of what's leaked about Hillary the sheep fall back on "it's illegally obtained emails!" or "he must be working with Russia!". What's wrong with people, I don't care if aliens dropped the info in my mailbox last night and took a dump on my front porch, look at the freaking emails what a scumbag.
Jrodicus
Footballguy
As much as some keep pointing to the polls and touting their historical accuracy, the fact of the matter is that is simply not the case. It does not take an "unprecedented" miss in the polls. There have been numerous +7 point swings in the past century including a 10 point swing with Truman/Dewey.
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jerry jones
Footballguy
So when my government leaders try to keep unethical and illegal behaviors from the American people.....lets go around them and make this information known!
Read all about the sleezy Clinton emails etc.....you still want to vote for her? I'm afraid that's really "dangerous" stuff you all keep harping about.
Baloney Sandwich
Footballguy
Billy Bats
Footballguy
Is Huma ok? Anyone seen her or she still in timeout? God forbid suicide by gunshot to the back of the head.
Workhorse
Footballguy
I love it when people cite Truman/Dewey as an example of incorrect polling. There wasn't a single poll taken after October 25th in that election. It is now November 2nd and Hillary still has the lead in nearly every single poll in those firewall states.
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