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*Official 2015 Philadelphia Eagles* - Winning when it doesnt count (3 Viewers)
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pizzatyme
Footballguy
His ypc improved by almost 2 last season over his previous 3 year average. his catches went up by 1 per game. Not sure I see the "volume" increase. He'll be missed.I get it but he was a huge volume guy with Foles and I'm sure many fans will tell you that he doesn't play big.Yes, with his size, how would he ever catch for 1300 yards?
renesauz
IBL Representative
disagree. Even if you hit on the QB, it can take several years to be competitive because of all the value given up. If you already suck and have a high pick it's absolutely worth the gamble to spend that pick at QB, but it isn't worth multiple firsts ++.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
@JohnMiddlekauff: I am told Devin McCourty got 10 mil a year from the Pats.
That would have pretty much ended our FA spending
renesauz
IBL Representative
Ash
Footballguy
He doesn't, but there's a lot he does well. I'm not his biggest fan, but for this team it's a big loss. Maclin's a slick route runner who can get open anywhere, not just be open.I get it but he was a huge volume guy with Foles and I'm sure many fans will tell you that he doesn't play big.Yes, with his size, how would he ever catch for 1300 yards?
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
@RapSheet: #Patriots S Devin McCourty will sign a 5-year, $47.5M contract, source said. Wow. And... turned down more elsewhere
Insein
Footballguy
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
I agree. I'm not discrediting him I just think maybe that's why Chip moved on. Plus Maclin wasnt a great blocker as wellHe doesn't, but there's a lot he does well. I'm not his biggest fan, but for this team it's a big loss. Maclin's a slick route runner who can get open anywhere, not just be open.I get it but he was a huge volume guy with Foles and I'm sure many fans will tell you that he doesn't play big.Yes, with his size, how would he ever catch for 1300 yards?
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
mr roboto
Footballguy
Wat? I'm saying they trade Foles to get MM. I'm not getting the 'Sanchez signed = not going after MM' logic I guess.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Because Foles is cheaper than Sanchez so why waste the money?Look, even the biggest Foles supporters will tell you that teams are not lining up to aquire him. If he's involved in a trade he's holding like 4th-5th round weight.
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Donny Loved Bowling
Footballguy
First the Sanchez shocker, now the Maclin bombshell. WTF!
Maybe that rumored TB deal involving Mike Evans is for real...
Maybe that rumored TB deal involving Mike Evans is for real...
Billy Bats
Footballguy
Kevin Kolb traded for a player and a 2nd.
AJ freakin Feeley was traded for a 2nd.
Pretty sure Foles is worth more than a 4th/5th.
Billy Bats
Footballguy
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
What was Randy Moss traded for? Or do we just do Andy Reid trades?
None of it matter it means much. My point is that if he's included in a deal he has minimal value.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
And I have never been a Crabtree guy but man, there is nothing there at WR unles they go after Andre Johnson
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
And the entire 2009 draft class is gone now.
Ash
Footballguy
And Rob Johnson got traded for a 1st and a 4th. This is how teams learned what happens when you over invest based on a small sample size.
Amused to Death
Footballguy
Yenrub
Footballguy
Domination
Footballguy
Am I the only one who thinks we overpaid for Gore? How does he get a higher annual salary than Ingram?
jon007
Footballguy
I'm kinda scratching my head on that one as well. Maybe Gore has a better agent. Its a shorter contract but damn Ingram's contract looks like he got schooled.
Insein
Footballguy
Insein
Footballguy
Ash
Footballguy
Agree, but depends on what's valued. Even though Gore is older, he's been waay more productive. Could be staying in NO was more important to Ingram than $$ as well. Who knows?
Ash
Footballguy
God I hope not. If they trade Kendricks and/or Foles or end up letting Cox get away it will be the end of Kelly I think. Talent's getting away faster than it' coming in.
In other news, Mychal Kendricks is here in Australia right now. He's posted a few pictures from Sydney on Twitter.
Ash
Footballguy
True but Mike Holmgren had a fair idea what he was getting. Also have to say Matt Cassell didn't really work out for the Chiefs. It can work, but most of the time it doesn't.
modogg
Footballguy
I am not sure i am remembering this right, but i heard some stories about how great of a leader Gore is in the locker room and everything. I think it was his rookie year and some knuckleheads were on that team and he would stand up and call them out for not being more professional. I don't remember the specifics of it, but they made a big deal of how he was just real great for the locker room and the guy you want on your team
Donny Loved Bowling
Footballguy
I don't remember the exact details, but it was something like:Foles +
2015 1st, 2nd, 3rd
2016 1st, 2nd
2017 1st
traded to TB for #1 overall + WR Mike Evans.
Think I saw that rumor on this board, but I'm not sure.
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cstu
Footballguy
If the 49ers aren't happy with Kaep's development they aren't going to trade up for Mariota.
Expect Kaep to be wearing an Eagles jersey soon.
Donny Loved Bowling
Footballguy
mquinnjr
Footballguy
renesauz
IBL Representative
Don't think that was a real rumor, more like someone guessing at a deal they thought made sense. I see a lot of people OK with moving multiple picks like this for a player, but IMO that represents a fantasy metality where he with the most studs usually wins. The NFL is not like that. Studs still matter, but positions 20-40 on the depth chart matter just as much, and moving multiple high picks in several straight years for just one or two players makes it awfully difficult to adequately stock the middle of the depth chart.
DEPTH MATTERS IN THE NFL.
jon007
Footballguy
I hope we get Kaepernick. Besides Wilson he is the only other QB of that style I would want that is currently in the NFL. If this happens and we sign Worilds plus draft best player available. We are legitimate contenders in 2015. I know I am in the minority when I say this but when the Eagles signed Gore I put them in a win now mentality, even if they draft Mariota.
If you are against signing Kaepernick, please explain why he wouldn't run this offense any better than Wilson, Griffin or Mariota?
If you are against signing Kaepernick, please explain why he wouldn't run this offense any better than Wilson, Griffin or Mariota?
Wooderson
Fight The Power
Wooderson
Fight The Power
Voice Of Reason
Footballguy
The big problem with making moves like that is not so much that depth matters, it is that scouting generally sucks in the NFL and the bust rate is high for even top draft picks. There are very few actual difference makers in NFL and getting those guys is really important.
jon007
Footballguy
I 100% agree. Wrong scheme though. Place Foles in Indy instead of Luck and watch your out.
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Ash
Footballguy
At the end of the year, barring a highly unlikely franchise tag, Foles will be able to decide his own future. At this point would he rather play for Kelly or someone like Arians or Big Red etc who isn't infatuated with running QBs? Will be very interesting if Foles comes back somewhere between 2013 and 2014 versions, say 3700 yards, 28 TDs, 12 picks. What would happen then?
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