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Snotbubbles
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He didn't say unproductive.
McCoy's Y/A were mediocre last season. I'm not doing a search but I doubt it would rank him in the top 15 of RBs. His yardage numbers were a direct result of getting 300+ carries. With that workload, McCoy should have been close to 1500 yards, not 1300.
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Amused to Death
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4.2 YPC. Totally unproductive.
The reality is everyone expects 2,200 combined yards or 18 TD's from McCoy. He was wildly underutilized in the passing game due to the addition of Sproles last year, but to say he "wasn't that productive last year" is false.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
There you go using unproductive again.
His 4.2 Y/A was well under his career average. For RBs who had a minimum of 200 attempts that would rank him 11th. Only Alfred Morris, Matt Forte, Joique Bell and Andre Williams had a lower Y/A. That's not that productive.
You said he "wasn't that productive" before and just doubled down above, is there a different context you wanted me to use? Does unproductive mean something entirely different than "not that productive"?
I'm not sure what magic number you would deem as "productive," but 4.2YPC is productive to me. As is 1,300 yards on the season. And the 200 attempts stat is pretty lame - he got 200+ attempts because he was getting 4+ YPC.
My bigger point is everyone basically ####ting all over McCoy when he turned in a RB1 season in 2014. He didn't get his 18 rushing TD's or 2,000+ combined yards last year, but to say he's "not that productive" is patently false from any historical context, including the history from just last year.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
I never say "wasn't that productive", someone else did. But ranking 11th out of 15 RBs who had 200 carries in Y/A isn't that productive. I used 200 attempts because I wanted to minimize guys who had a couple big runs which would skew the numbers. When a RB stays healthy and is given a 300+ carry workload he should get 1300 yards. What I deem productive is what you do with your workload. Around 4.5 y/a I would deem to be a good RB1. 4.2 is what I expect from an average guy. His overall numbers suggest RB1 because of his usage, but when you normalize his production he wasn't that great.
Oh, sorry about that - I thought you were the same person.
Again with that 200 cap man - do away with it. You don't get to put a floor of 200 carries if you want to make any legitimate point with your statistics. "He ranked 11th out of 15 on this arbitrary statistic I've come up with." He ranked 3rd overall in rushing yards last year. Who cares about "only for RB's that had more than 214 carries, and at least 40% of those carries had to come on the same days where they breast fed from their mother more than 4 times in one day as a child." The fact that there are only 15 RB's out of 30 starters who can fit your criteria says quite a bit. Why don't we cap it at 300 carries and that way you can say, "He was the least productive back by any measure for RB's with over 300 carries last year."
You want to normalize his production when he played for a full 16 games? You realize a 1,300 yard season puts you in the top 10 every year for the past 5 years and in the top 5 for 3 of those years? YPC seems like an awfully foolish tool to use - my guess is you're going to want a RB on your squad who can carry the ball 300 times in a season. Walter Payton averaged 4.4 YPC for his career. LaDainian Tomlinson averaged 4.3 YPC. You're going to tell me that McCoy's 4.2 makes him "Just a guy.
"Again, we're talking about production. The production last year... 1,319 yards, the second most productive rushing total of his career. Feel free to say otherwise, but McCoy was productive last year.
his numbers were a result of his usage. I'm an Eagles fan plus owned him in fantasy. He was very disappointing. Sproles was so much better last year. They got rid of him for a reason. He dances too much. Having long runs to even out all of your two yard losses is good for your rushing average, but it doesn't fix all the drives that stall because it's 3rd and 9 after your two carries.Oh, sorry about that - I thought you were the same person.
Again with that 200 cap man - do away with it. You don't get to put a floor of 200 carries if you want to make any legitimate point with your statistics. "He ranked 11th out of 15 on this arbitrary statistic I've come up with." He ranked 3rd overall in rushing yards last year. Who cares about "only for RB's that had more than 214 carries, and at least 40% of those carries had to come on the same days where they breast fed from their mother more than 4 times in one day as a child." The fact that there are only 15 RB's out of 30 starters who can fit your criteria says quite a bit. Why don't we cap it at 300 carries and that way you can say, "He was the least productive back by any measure for RB's with over 300 carries last year."
You want to normalize his production when he played for a full 16 games? You realize a 1,300 yard season puts you in the top 10 every year for the past 5 years and in the top 5 for 3 of those years? YPC seems like an awfully foolish tool to use - my guess is you're going to want a RB on your squad who can carry the ball 300 times in a season. Walter Payton averaged 4.4 YPC for his career. LaDainian Tomlinson averaged 4.3 YPC. You're going to tell me that McCoy's 4.2 makes him "Just a guy.
Again, we're talking about production. The production last year... 1,319 yards, the second most productive rushing total of his career. Feel free to say otherwise, but McCoy was productive last year.
rjv
Footballguy
Totally agree with this. Remember this trade was more for cap space. We essentially got alonzo and maxwell for him. Getting Mathews who in my mind will get 7-10 carries a game and will excel in that respect because he can't handle being the #1 but could handle being that short yardage guy. Murray will be the guy that is that one cut and go type of RB that chip wants and will be much more productive in this offense. Believe me chip will not over use Murray, and saying that I can see him getting 15-17 carries a game and maybe a recept or 2.JuniorNB said:his numbers were a result of his usage. I'm an Eagles fan plus owned him in fantasy. He was very disappointing. Sproles was so much better last year. They got rid of him for a reason. He dances too much. Having long runs to even out all of your two yard losses is good for your rushing average, but it doesn't fix all the drives that stall because it's 3rd and 9 after your two carries.-CE- said:Oh, sorry about that - I thought you were the same person.Snotbubbles said:
Again with that 200 cap man - do away with it. You don't get to put a floor of 200 carries if you want to make any legitimate point with your statistics. "He ranked 11th out of 15 on this arbitrary statistic I've come up with." He ranked 3rd overall in rushing yards last year. Who cares about "only for RB's that had more than 214 carries, and at least 40% of those carries had to come on the same days where they breast fed from their mother more than 4 times in one day as a child." The fact that there are only 15 RB's out of 30 starters who can fit your criteria says quite a bit. Why don't we cap it at 300 carries and that way you can say, "He was the least productive back by any measure for RB's with over 300 carries last year."
You want to normalize his production when he played for a full 16 games? You realize a 1,300 yard season puts you in the top 10 every year for the past 5 years and in the top 5 for 3 of those years? YPC seems like an awfully foolish tool to use - my guess is you're going to want a RB on your squad who can carry the ball 300 times in a season. Walter Payton averaged 4.4 YPC for his career. LaDainian Tomlinson averaged 4.3 YPC. You're going to tell me that McCoy's 4.2 makes him "Just a guy.
Again, we're talking about production. The production last year... 1,319 yards, the second most productive rushing total of his career. Feel free to say otherwise, but McCoy was productive last year.
Snotbubbles
Footballguy
-CE- said:Oh, sorry about that - I thought you were the same person.Snotbubbles said:
Again with that 200 cap man - do away with it. You don't get to put a floor of 200 carries if you want to make any legitimate point with your statistics. "He ranked 11th out of 15 on this arbitrary statistic I've come up with." He ranked 3rd overall in rushing yards last year. Who cares about "only for RB's that had more than 214 carries, and at least 40% of those carries had to come on the same days where they breast fed from their mother more than 4 times in one day as a child." The fact that there are only 15 RB's out of 30 starters who can fit your criteria says quite a bit. Why don't we cap it at 300 carries and that way you can say, "He was the least productive back by any measure for RB's with over 300 carries last year."
You want to normalize his production when he played for a full 16 games? You realize a 1,300 yard season puts you in the top 10 every year for the past 5 years and in the top 5 for 3 of those years? YPC seems like an awfully foolish tool to use - my guess is you're going to want a RB on your squad who can carry the ball 300 times in a season. Walter Payton averaged 4.4 YPC for his career. LaDainian Tomlinson averaged 4.3 YPC. You're going to tell me that McCoy's 4.2 makes him "Just a guy.
Again, we're talking about production. The production last year... 1,319 yards, the second most productive rushing total of his career. Feel free to say otherwise, but McCoy was productive last year.
You put qualifiers in to eliminate subsets of RBs who could skew the data. Like Darren Sproles who under the same conditions rushed for 5.8 y/a but didn't get the same usage. So when he goes for 20 yards, it skews his numbers more than McCoy.
The overall numbers put you in the top 5 because in most of those years only 2 RBs hit 300 carries. If you took all RBs over the past 5 years that had 300 carries (17 RBs) McCoy's year last year would put him behind all the RBs who hit that usage except Cedric Benson 2010, Rashad Mendenhall 2010, Ray Rice 2010, Stephen Jackson 2010, Michael Turner 2011 and Marshawn Lynch 2013. So 11th out of 17.
As far as Payton and Tomlinson. Payton played in a totally different era. Most teams play more nickel D so it's easier to run now. With Tomlinson, you need to factor in carries toward the end of their careers when he wasn't the same level of RB they were in their prime.
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Donny Loved Bowling
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I suppose these Mariota rumors will persist until Bradford gets an extension. I fully expected that he'd have one by now, to free up cap space. We're entering the later phase of free agency, where bargains can be had on one-year prove-it deals. And we've still got some significant holes to fill, but rather insignificant cap room to work with. Haven't heard anything promising on the Mathis front, and they apparently plan to keep DeMeco. So why haven't they extended SB? Maybe there really is something to the notion of Bradford as a trade chip?
STEADYMOBBIN 22
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You're trading Bradford to the Skins for Marriotta and Possibly Griffin.
Watch.
Watch.
Autumn Wind
Footballguy
McCoy's per-game yardage average went from about 100 in 2013 to 82 in 2014. His yards per rush average likewise dropped from 4.9 to just over 4.0. So yeah he was productive last year, but on a per-game basis much less so compared to 2013. Looking just at total yardage is quite misleading. Was he a bum last year? Of course not. But he was no longer a game-changing RB, and the history of the RB position as a whole does not suggest a return to 2013 form was a statistical likelihood.
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Bigboy10182000
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Before he gets an extension he's going to have to be cleared medically--Thats the only thing holding this up. I wouldnt be shocked if they already settled on the figures
The Mariota rumors wont stop after an extansion or even after he's a Jet. So long as Chip is in the NFL these rumors wont go away.
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Bigboy10182000
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Bigboy10182000
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Cary Williams to Seattle and Bradley Fletcher to NE
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need2know
Footballguy
Huge downgrades for bothCary Williams to Seattle and Bradley Fletcher to NE
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His usage? How about the lack of his usage in the passing game where he recorded career lows across the board? He got 37 targets last year - that's 18 less targets than he received as a rookie when he only started 4 games. They even gave Sproles a few goalline carries for good measure. Again, a 1,300 yard season on 300 carries - good for third best in the NFL and the second best of his career. One of only two players to get 300 carries. The only production issue that McCoy had was not being called on in the passing game like he had in years past.JuniorNB said:his numbers were a result of his usage. I'm an Eagles fan plus owned him in fantasy. He was very disappointing. Sproles was so much better last year. They got rid of him for a reason. He dances too much. Having long runs to even out all of your two yard losses is good for your rushing average, but it doesn't fix all the drives that stall because it's 3rd and 9 after your two carries.-CE- said:Oh, sorry about that - I thought you were the same person.Snotbubbles said:
Again with that 200 cap man - do away with it. You don't get to put a floor of 200 carries if you want to make any legitimate point with your statistics. "He ranked 11th out of 15 on this arbitrary statistic I've come up with." He ranked 3rd overall in rushing yards last year. Who cares about "only for RB's that had more than 214 carries, and at least 40% of those carries had to come on the same days where they breast fed from their mother more than 4 times in one day as a child." The fact that there are only 15 RB's out of 30 starters who can fit your criteria says quite a bit. Why don't we cap it at 300 carries and that way you can say, "He was the least productive back by any measure for RB's with over 300 carries last year."
You want to normalize his production when he played for a full 16 games? You realize a 1,300 yard season puts you in the top 10 every year for the past 5 years and in the top 5 for 3 of those years? YPC seems like an awfully foolish tool to use - my guess is you're going to want a RB on your squad who can carry the ball 300 times in a season. Walter Payton averaged 4.4 YPC for his career. LaDainian Tomlinson averaged 4.3 YPC. You're going to tell me that McCoy's 4.2 makes him "Just a guy.
Again, we're talking about production. The production last year... 1,319 yards, the second most productive rushing total of his career. Feel free to say otherwise, but McCoy was productive last year.
Receptions per year:
78
48
54
52
28
Seems like a pretty drastic fall there.
hate to keep beating this horse, but that might have had something to do with his 5.5 ypr compared to Sproles at 9.7 - who's number would you be calling more often in passing situations?His usage? How about the lack of his usage in the passing game where he recorded career lows across the board? He got 37 targets last year - that's 18 less targets than he received as a rookie when he only started 4 games. They even gave Sproles a few goalline carries for good measure. Again, a 1,300 yard season on 300 carries - good for third best in the NFL and the second best of his career. One of only two players to get 300 carries. The only production issue that McCoy had was not being called on in the passing game like he had in years past.JuniorNB said:his numbers were a result of his usage. I'm an Eagles fan plus owned him in fantasy. He was very disappointing. Sproles was so much better last year. They got rid of him for a reason. He dances too much. Having long runs to even out all of your two yard losses is good for your rushing average, but it doesn't fix all the drives that stall because it's 3rd and 9 after your two carries.-CE- said:Oh, sorry about that - I thought you were the same person.Snotbubbles said:
Again with that 200 cap man - do away with it. You don't get to put a floor of 200 carries if you want to make any legitimate point with your statistics. "He ranked 11th out of 15 on this arbitrary statistic I've come up with." He ranked 3rd overall in rushing yards last year. Who cares about "only for RB's that had more than 214 carries, and at least 40% of those carries had to come on the same days where they breast fed from their mother more than 4 times in one day as a child." The fact that there are only 15 RB's out of 30 starters who can fit your criteria says quite a bit. Why don't we cap it at 300 carries and that way you can say, "He was the least productive back by any measure for RB's with over 300 carries last year."
You want to normalize his production when he played for a full 16 games? You realize a 1,300 yard season puts you in the top 10 every year for the past 5 years and in the top 5 for 3 of those years? YPC seems like an awfully foolish tool to use - my guess is you're going to want a RB on your squad who can carry the ball 300 times in a season. Walter Payton averaged 4.4 YPC for his career. LaDainian Tomlinson averaged 4.3 YPC. You're going to tell me that McCoy's 4.2 makes him "Just a guy.
Again, we're talking about production. The production last year... 1,319 yards, the second most productive rushing total of his career. Feel free to say otherwise, but McCoy was productive last year.
Receptions per year:
78
48
54
52
28
Seems like a pretty drastic fall there.
i also think this study points to what many Eagles fans saw with McCoy and his effectiveness last year. http://www.footballoutsiders.com/stats/rb
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Deamon
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Deamon
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Can't we all just agree that Shady had a decent year, but not the great one we may have all expected. And that Murray+Kiko > Shady in Chip's style of offense? Murray is more the runner he wants, and we got Kiko too. Not sure how this isn't an upgrade any way you spin it.His usage? How about the lack of his usage in the passing game where he recorded career lows across the board? He got 37 targets last year - that's 18 less targets than he received as a rookie when he only started 4 games. They even gave Sproles a few goalline carries for good measure. Again, a 1,300 yard season on 300 carries - good for third best in the NFL and the second best of his career. One of only two players to get 300 carries. The only production issue that McCoy had was not being called on in the passing game like he had in years past.JuniorNB said:his numbers were a result of his usage. I'm an Eagles fan plus owned him in fantasy. He was very disappointing. Sproles was so much better last year. They got rid of him for a reason. He dances too much. Having long runs to even out all of your two yard losses is good for your rushing average, but it doesn't fix all the drives that stall because it's 3rd and 9 after your two carries.-CE- said:Oh, sorry about that - I thought you were the same person.Snotbubbles said:
Again with that 200 cap man - do away with it. You don't get to put a floor of 200 carries if you want to make any legitimate point with your statistics. "He ranked 11th out of 15 on this arbitrary statistic I've come up with." He ranked 3rd overall in rushing yards last year. Who cares about "only for RB's that had more than 214 carries, and at least 40% of those carries had to come on the same days where they breast fed from their mother more than 4 times in one day as a child." The fact that there are only 15 RB's out of 30 starters who can fit your criteria says quite a bit. Why don't we cap it at 300 carries and that way you can say, "He was the least productive back by any measure for RB's with over 300 carries last year."
You want to normalize his production when he played for a full 16 games? You realize a 1,300 yard season puts you in the top 10 every year for the past 5 years and in the top 5 for 3 of those years? YPC seems like an awfully foolish tool to use - my guess is you're going to want a RB on your squad who can carry the ball 300 times in a season. Walter Payton averaged 4.4 YPC for his career. LaDainian Tomlinson averaged 4.3 YPC. You're going to tell me that McCoy's 4.2 makes him "Just a guy.
Again, we're talking about production. The production last year... 1,319 yards, the second most productive rushing total of his career. Feel free to say otherwise, but McCoy was productive last year.
Receptions per year:
78
48
54
52
28
Seems like a pretty drastic fall there.
Billy Bats
Footballguy
So crazy Chip rumor of the day, trying to trade Barkley in order to sign Tebow as 3rd stringer.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/03/17/report-if-eagles-can-trade-barkley-theyll-likely-sign-tebow/
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/03/17/report-if-eagles-can-trade-barkley-theyll-likely-sign-tebow/
Ted Lange as your Bartender
Footballguy
Which is strange because can't they roster 90 players at this time of year. Why is signing Tebow contingent upon trading Barkley?
I'm absolutely willing to conceded that Shady has a decent year, but not the year you'd expect for a guy being drafted somewhere between 1st - 3rd overall for fantasy purposes.Can't we all just agree that Shady had a decent year, but not the great one we may have all expected. And that Murray+Kiko > Shady in Chip's style of offense? Murray is more the runner he wants, and we got Kiko too. Not sure how this isn't an upgrade any way you spin it.His usage? How about the lack of his usage in the passing game where he recorded career lows across the board? He got 37 targets last year - that's 18 less targets than he received as a rookie when he only started 4 games. They even gave Sproles a few goalline carries for good measure. Again, a 1,300 yard season on 300 carries - good for third best in the NFL and the second best of his career. One of only two players to get 300 carries. The only production issue that McCoy had was not being called on in the passing game like he had in years past.JuniorNB said:his numbers were a result of his usage. I'm an Eagles fan plus owned him in fantasy. He was very disappointing. Sproles was so much better last year. They got rid of him for a reason. He dances too much. Having long runs to even out all of your two yard losses is good for your rushing average, but it doesn't fix all the drives that stall because it's 3rd and 9 after your two carries.-CE- said:Oh, sorry about that - I thought you were the same person.Snotbubbles said:
Again with that 200 cap man - do away with it. You don't get to put a floor of 200 carries if you want to make any legitimate point with your statistics. "He ranked 11th out of 15 on this arbitrary statistic I've come up with." He ranked 3rd overall in rushing yards last year. Who cares about "only for RB's that had more than 214 carries, and at least 40% of those carries had to come on the same days where they breast fed from their mother more than 4 times in one day as a child." The fact that there are only 15 RB's out of 30 starters who can fit your criteria says quite a bit. Why don't we cap it at 300 carries and that way you can say, "He was the least productive back by any measure for RB's with over 300 carries last year."
You want to normalize his production when he played for a full 16 games? You realize a 1,300 yard season puts you in the top 10 every year for the past 5 years and in the top 5 for 3 of those years? YPC seems like an awfully foolish tool to use - my guess is you're going to want a RB on your squad who can carry the ball 300 times in a season. Walter Payton averaged 4.4 YPC for his career. LaDainian Tomlinson averaged 4.3 YPC. You're going to tell me that McCoy's 4.2 makes him "Just a guy.
Again, we're talking about production. The production last year... 1,319 yards, the second most productive rushing total of his career. Feel free to say otherwise, but McCoy was productive last year.
Receptions per year:
78
48
54
52
28
Seems like a pretty drastic fall there.
I'm just tired of all this bull#### "unproductive" talk. A guy like Steven Jackson was unproductive.
Deamon
Footballguy
I guess "not that productive" is totally subjective. To me, it meant that he didn't run as well as I expected him to. Maybe my expectations of him were different then yours, or another fans. But to me, his season wasn't overly productive and impressive. Could be because he's not as good, or maybe was hurt, or maybe my expectations too high, or maybe just the way the coach used him. But if Chip didn't want to use him, then I'd rather a guy that fits what Chip wants to do, and a guy that our coach (not myself) is comfortable using the way he wants. This guy(s) is Murray (and mathews). I think a lot over 50% of NFL fans/analysts would say that we improved overall at RB.I'm absolutely willing to conceded that Shady has a decent year, but not the year you'd expect for a guy being drafted somewhere between 1st - 3rd overall for fantasy purposes.Can't we all just agree that Shady had a decent year, but not the great one we may have all expected. And that Murray+Kiko > Shady in Chip's style of offense? Murray is more the runner he wants, and we got Kiko too. Not sure how this isn't an upgrade any way you spin it.His usage? How about the lack of his usage in the passing game where he recorded career lows across the board? He got 37 targets last year - that's 18 less targets than he received as a rookie when he only started 4 games. They even gave Sproles a few goalline carries for good measure. Again, a 1,300 yard season on 300 carries - good for third best in the NFL and the second best of his career. One of only two players to get 300 carries. The only production issue that McCoy had was not being called on in the passing game like he had in years past.JuniorNB said:his numbers were a result of his usage. I'm an Eagles fan plus owned him in fantasy. He was very disappointing. Sproles was so much better last year. They got rid of him for a reason. He dances too much. Having long runs to even out all of your two yard losses is good for your rushing average, but it doesn't fix all the drives that stall because it's 3rd and 9 after your two carries.-CE- said:Oh, sorry about that - I thought you were the same person.Snotbubbles said:
Again with that 200 cap man - do away with it. You don't get to put a floor of 200 carries if you want to make any legitimate point with your statistics. "He ranked 11th out of 15 on this arbitrary statistic I've come up with." He ranked 3rd overall in rushing yards last year. Who cares about "only for RB's that had more than 214 carries, and at least 40% of those carries had to come on the same days where they breast fed from their mother more than 4 times in one day as a child." The fact that there are only 15 RB's out of 30 starters who can fit your criteria says quite a bit. Why don't we cap it at 300 carries and that way you can say, "He was the least productive back by any measure for RB's with over 300 carries last year."
You want to normalize his production when he played for a full 16 games? You realize a 1,300 yard season puts you in the top 10 every year for the past 5 years and in the top 5 for 3 of those years? YPC seems like an awfully foolish tool to use - my guess is you're going to want a RB on your squad who can carry the ball 300 times in a season. Walter Payton averaged 4.4 YPC for his career. LaDainian Tomlinson averaged 4.3 YPC. You're going to tell me that McCoy's 4.2 makes him "Just a guy.
Again, we're talking about production. The production last year... 1,319 yards, the second most productive rushing total of his career. Feel free to say otherwise, but McCoy was productive last year.
Receptions per year:
78
48
54
52
28
Seems like a pretty drastic fall there.
I'm just tired of all this bull#### "unproductive" talk. A guy like Steven Jackson was unproductive.
GoBirds
Footballguy
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
@JasonLaCanfora: Eagles reworked deal w/Connor Barwin guaranteed his '15 salary ($6.4M) plus $3M of '16 salary. Nice reward. Been a great signing for them
Thunderlips
Footballguy
Count me as one who thinks we aren't out of the MM sweepstakes. I think that Kelly has done everything he can do before the draft...short of trading for the number two pick to put himself in a position where if it comes up....he can work something reasonable out for MM. I think that he likes Bradford and is willing to go into the season with him as his QB....but I wouldn't be shocked a bit if on draft night they move Bradford for CLE's 1 (or someone elses 1) and then package that, their 1 and next years 1 for MM....and that's only if his stock doesn't keep dropping. The Bradford situation doesn't sit right.....last year of a deal...unless they hammer something out before the draft....I"m convinced he's subtley dangling him.
JetMaxx
Footballguy
Agreed. He brings it every week and his energy and effort is Dawkesque. Well done Birds!
STEADYMOBBIN 22
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ShaHBucks
Footballguy
Two of the dumbest franchises in the leagues right there.Huge downgrades for bothCary Williams to Seattle and Bradley Fletcher to NE
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ShaHBucks
Footballguy
You don't give up 12M in cap and draft picks if this was anywhere near true.You'd just start a terrible Barkley.
Speaking of Matt Barkley, I thought he was a great value pick with tons of upside?
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
That why I said it was interesting. Chung looked awful here and started for a SB team last season.Two of the dumbest franchises in the leagues right there.Huge downgrades for bothCary Williams to Seattle and Bradley Fletcher to NE
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ShaHBucks
Footballguy
Brilliant moves by Sea and NE. We ignore the responsibilities that CB have in this defense. They play on an island most of the time. You're going to get toasted by the Becham Jr/Dez Bryant's of the world doing so.That why I said it was interesting. Chung looked awful here and started for a SB team last season.Two of the dumbest franchises in the leagues right there.Huge downgrades for bothCary Williams to Seattle and Bradley Fletcher to NE
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If you think Fletcher was bad here, wait until you see Maxwell.
Bigboy10182000
Footballguy
Maxwell is already in a bad spot IMO. With the money he got and him being one of the better FA's people are going to want Revis but he's not that. I do think he'll be better than Fletcher and should be better than Cary though. Fletcher lost his head the second half of last season and he was flat out awful. He needed out of here. Cary was better than people gave him credit for IMO and he'll fit in nicely in Seattle.Brilliant moves by Sea and NE. We ignore the responsibilities that CB have in this defense. They play on an island most of the time. You're going to get toasted by the Becham Jr/Dez Bryant's of the world doing so.If you think Fletcher was bad here, wait until you see Maxwell.That why I said it was interesting. Chung looked awful here and started for a SB team last season.Two of the dumbest franchises in the leagues right there.Huge downgrades for bothCary Williams to Seattle and Bradley Fletcher to NE
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JetMaxx
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How would you have improved the secondary?Brilliant moves by Sea and NE. We ignore the responsibilities that CB have in this defense. They play on an island most of the time. You're going to get toasted by the Becham Jr/Dez Bryant's of the world doing so.If you think Fletcher was bad here, wait until you see Maxwell.That why I said it was interesting. Chung looked awful here and started for a SB team last season.Two of the dumbest franchises in the leagues right there.Huge downgrades for bothCary Williams to Seattle and Bradley Fletcher to NE
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ShaHBucks
Footballguy
I would have drafted Bradley Roby last year instead of Smith and never had any problemsHow would you have improved the secondary?Brilliant moves by Sea and NE. We ignore the responsibilities that CB have in this defense. They play on an island most of the time. You're going to get toasted by the Becham Jr/Dez Bryant's of the world doing so.If you think Fletcher was bad here, wait until you see Maxwell.That why I said it was interesting. Chung looked awful here and started for a SB team last season.Two of the dumbest franchises in the leagues right there.Huge downgrades for bothCary Williams to Seattle and Bradley Fletcher to NE
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ShaHBucks
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There's no stats that put what Williams and Fletcher were responsible to do into proper context. Maxwell played for an elite defense opposite of Sherman. Change roles and he'll look as bad, if not worse. That is all I'm saying. It's Namdi all over again.Maxwell is already in a bad spot IMO. With the money he got and him being one of the better FA's people are going to want Revis but he's not that. I do think he'll be better than Fletcher and should be better than Cary though. Fletcher lost his head the second half of last season and he was flat out awful. He needed out of here. Cary was better than people gave him credit for IMO and he'll fit in nicely in Seattle.Brilliant moves by Sea and NE. We ignore the responsibilities that CB have in this defense. They play on an island most of the time. You're going to get toasted by the Becham Jr/Dez Bryant's of the world doing so.If you think Fletcher was bad here, wait until you see Maxwell.That why I said it was interesting. Chung looked awful here and started for a SB team last season.Two of the dumbest franchises in the leagues right there.Huge downgrades for bothCary Williams to Seattle and Bradley Fletcher to NE
Interesting
Both players were coveted by Superbowl teams. That's your first hint. This makes it two years in a row where we chose to cut players and get nothing in return(DJax last year).
Devin McCourty just signed for near the same guaranteed. Maxwell isn't close to the same talent. Another hint.
Billy Bats
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Imagine drafting him or Denard??ShaHBucks said:I would have drafted Bradley Roby last year instead of Smith and never had any problemsJetMaxx said:How would you have improved the secondary?ShaHBucks said:Brilliant moves by Sea and NE. We ignore the responsibilities that CB have in this defense. They play on an island most of the time. You're going to get toasted by the Becham Jr/Dez Bryant's of the world doing so.If you think Fletcher was bad here, wait until you see Maxwell.Bigboy10182000 said:That why I said it was interesting. Chung looked awful here and started for a SB team last season.ShaHBucks said:Two of the dumbest franchises in the leagues right there.Huge downgrades for bothCary Williams to Seattle and Bradley Fletcher to NE
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Insein
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Imagine drafting anyone not named Marcus Smith?Imagine drafting him or Denard??ShaHBucks said:I would have drafted Bradley Roby last year instead of Smith and never had any problemsJetMaxx said:How would you have improved the secondary?ShaHBucks said:Brilliant moves by Sea and NE. We ignore the responsibilities that CB have in this defense. They play on an island most of the time. You're going to get toasted by the Becham Jr/Dez Bryant's of the world doing so.If you think Fletcher was bad here, wait until you see Maxwell.Bigboy10182000 said:That why I said it was interesting. Chung looked awful here and started for a SB team last season.ShaHBucks said:Two of the dumbest franchises in the leagues right there.Huge downgrades for bothCary Williams to Seattle and Bradley Fletcher to NE
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Heres everyone that went after 22.
C Dee Ford DE Auburn
CIN Darqueze Dennard CB Michigan State
SD Jason Verrett CB Texas Christian
PHI Marcus Smith DE Louisville
ARI Deone Bucannon SS Washington State
CAR Kelvin Benjamin WR Florida State
NE Dominique Easley DT Florida
SF Jimmie Ward SS Northern Illinois
DEN Bradley Roby CB Ohio State
MIN Teddy Bridgewater QB Louisville
Deamon
Footballguy
Your hatred of all these moves got old really fast. You used to post good stuff, now you just seem bitter about every move. Enjoy the ride man, Chip doesn't give a #### what you or anyone else thinks, let's just see if it works and if it blows up, then it blows up.ShaHBucks said:There's no stats that put what Williams and Fletcher were responsible to do into proper context. Maxwell played for an elite defense opposite of Sherman. Change roles and he'll look as bad, if not worse. That is all I'm saying. It's Namdi all over again.Bigboy10182000 said:Maxwell is already in a bad spot IMO. With the money he got and him being one of the better FA's people are going to want Revis but he's not that. I do think he'll be better than Fletcher and should be better than Cary though. Fletcher lost his head the second half of last season and he was flat out awful. He needed out of here. Cary was better than people gave him credit for IMO and he'll fit in nicely in Seattle.ShaHBucks said:Brilliant moves by Sea and NE. We ignore the responsibilities that CB have in this defense. They play on an island most of the time. You're going to get toasted by the Becham Jr/Dez Bryant's of the world doing so.If you think Fletcher was bad here, wait until you see Maxwell.Bigboy10182000 said:That why I said it was interesting. Chung looked awful here and started for a SB team last season.ShaHBucks said:Two of the dumbest franchises in the leagues right there.Huge downgrades for bothCary Williams to Seattle and Bradley Fletcher to NE
Interesting
Both players were coveted by Superbowl teams. That's your first hint. This makes it two years in a row where we chose to cut players and get nothing in return(DJax last year).
Devin McCourty just signed for near the same guaranteed. Maxwell isn't close to the same talent. Another hint.
Deamon
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This is the exact opposite of Nnamdi. Nnamdi never got thrown at. Like EVER. Maxwell got thrown at a ton because people were avoiding throwing at Sherman. THe point that he played next to Sherman makes a STRONGER case for Maxwell then if he played next to some chump.ShaHBucks said:There's no stats that put what Williams and Fletcher were responsible to do into proper context. Maxwell played for an elite defense opposite of Sherman. Change roles and he'll look as bad, if not worse. That is all I'm saying. It's Namdi all over again.Bigboy10182000 said:Maxwell is already in a bad spot IMO. With the money he got and him being one of the better FA's people are going to want Revis but he's not that. I do think he'll be better than Fletcher and should be better than Cary though. Fletcher lost his head the second half of last season and he was flat out awful. He needed out of here. Cary was better than people gave him credit for IMO and he'll fit in nicely in Seattle.ShaHBucks said:Brilliant moves by Sea and NE. We ignore the responsibilities that CB have in this defense. They play on an island most of the time. You're going to get toasted by the Becham Jr/Dez Bryant's of the world doing so.If you think Fletcher was bad here, wait until you see Maxwell.Bigboy10182000 said:That why I said it was interesting. Chung looked awful here and started for a SB team last season.ShaHBucks said:Two of the dumbest franchises in the leagues right there.Huge downgrades for bothCary Williams to Seattle and Bradley Fletcher to NE
Interesting
Both players were coveted by Superbowl teams. That's your first hint. This makes it two years in a row where we chose to cut players and get nothing in return(DJax last year).
Devin McCourty just signed for near the same guaranteed. Maxwell isn't close to the same talent. Another hint.
I wouldn't go as far as "coveted". Fletcher sucked and is going to be fighting for playing time in NE. Not starting. And Williams was better then he showed in Philly, I'll admit. But they just lost Maxwell and needed to sign someone. No question Seattle would have rathered Maxwell then Williams. We had the money to spend, how are you in the least bit upset about the upgrade from Williams to Maxwell?
Terrible logic here, I'm sorry.
Deamon
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Ya that was an awful pick. Don't think anyone disputes that. Hopefully he's more on the ball this year.Imagine drafting anyone not named Marcus Smith?Imagine drafting him or Denard??ShaHBucks said:I would have drafted Bradley Roby last year instead of Smith and never had any problemsJetMaxx said:How would you have improved the secondary?ShaHBucks said:Brilliant moves by Sea and NE. We ignore the responsibilities that CB have in this defense. They play on an island most of the time. You're going to get toasted by the Becham Jr/Dez Bryant's of the world doing so.If you think Fletcher was bad here, wait until you see Maxwell.Bigboy10182000 said:That why I said it was interesting. Chung looked awful here and started for a SB team last season.ShaHBucks said:Two of the dumbest franchises in the leagues right there.Huge downgrades for bothCary Williams to Seattle and Bradley Fletcher to NE
Interesting
Heres everyone that went after 22.
C Dee Ford DE Auburn
CIN Darqueze Dennard CB Michigan State
SD Jason Verrett CB Texas Christian
PHI Marcus Smith DE Louisville
ARI Deone Bucannon SS Washington State
CAR Kelvin Benjamin WR Florida State
NE Dominique Easley DT Florida
SF Jimmie Ward SS Northern Illinois
DEN Bradley Roby CB Ohio State
MIN Teddy Bridgewater QB Louisville
Ash
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