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Shady taking the high road again.
Shady taking the high road again.
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*Official 2015 Philadelphia Eagles* - Winning when it doesnt count (5 Viewers)
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dhockster
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The only way I could see the Eagles wanting to get Manziel is if he was an asset that would be wanted by the team we trade up with to get Mariotta.If Manziel was who Chip wanted, he could have had him last year, but he basically passed on him so Cleveland could take him. And Manziel did nothing but hurt his value with the season he had last year.
unckeyherb
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If this was a method for adding picks to move up to get mariota I'm down. If the intent is to have Johnny football on this team week one I will move on to being a Union fan.
msommer
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Long Ball Larry
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I'm sure it's not possible, but if Chip actually were able to turn Foles into Bradford into Manziel into Mariota (with other ancillary pieces along the way), that would be pretty impressive maneuvering.
Insein
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Mystery Achiever
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Oy. Even as a rumor, I'm a little nauseous. Sounds like te work of an agent trying to drum up interest
unckeyherb
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Ted Lange as your Bartender
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Ironically trading Bradford for Manziel sounds like a type of move I'd expect from the Union.
Bigboy10182000
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I know the guy who said this is from baseball but I think it apllies with Chip:
@JohnMiddlekauff: Keving Youkilis had a great line today, good teams have star players who's 1st answer is always yes http://t.co/vh5Rk9MpeV
@JohnMiddlekauff: Keving Youkilis had a great line today, good teams have star players who's 1st answer is always yes http://t.co/vh5Rk9MpeV
It does seem like Chip isn't a fan of "stars" in the NFL. Which is fine, and works as long as he wins, it is what it is and you guys will probably see more of that type of atmosphere in Philly if Kelly sticks around.
cstu
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That's part of it. It seems like he's wanted to get rid of all of the high profile players that were there when he showed up. Again nothing wrong with that, as long as he wins. Chip's done well with what Reid left for him. I'm very interested to see how the new look all Chip team performs.
Ash
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Take out Manziel and it looks much better. I think there's no chance this is actually real, but for argument's sake I think if you could get #12 from the Browns the deal above plus another first rounder would get it done I think. Still don't think it's a good idea though.
I'm ignoring the Manziel part, he has less than no value right now. He's a circus like Tebow except he's a jackass as well.
Ash
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GoBirds
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I think your vision is skewed as an Eagles fan and are stuck in the past, last year the guy with the star on his helmet was the star and probably best RB in the league. Not the one that cries to the media everyday looking for the attention. If you want to go back 2 or 3 years then yes.
Ash
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I think this is true and Chip's taken a big gamble. A lot more talent has gone out the door than has come back in, at least to this point. I'm a big fan of Chip the coach, I was dubious on the a lot of the scheme stuff, but it works. The tempo idea I think is brilliant, last year showed why. An offense that was mediocre (blame OL injuries, Shady/Foles, whatever) on a play by play basis was #5 in the NFL because they just ran more plays. I also think the defence's problems are at least as much of their own making (couldn't cover or get off the field on 3rd down) as due to the "pressure" the offense puts on them.
I've heard people say that Belichick the coach's greatest challenge is Belichick the GM and I think he's better at it than Kelly's shown to be so far. I'm not sure talent wise the changes are more than a wash but we've greatly overpaid for what we've brought in IMO. Not sure Chip has the patience for negotiations. It's like he thinks "what do I have to do to get this finalised today?". Paid way over market rate for Murray and I can't believe anybody was offering Miles Austin $2.3m or guaranteeing $1m.
What do I know though?
Ash
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For 1 year yes, the year before that McCoy led the league in rushing. If you look at their careers on balance I don't think anyone would say Murray's had the better career so far and they're the same age. I think last year was the first time anybody would have put Murray in the same tier as McCoy.
Kool-Aid Larry
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ignorant people say all kinds of crazy thingsI've heard people say that Belichick the coach's greatest challenge is Belichick the GM and I think he's better at it than Kelly's shown to be so far. I'm not sure talent wise the changes are more than a wash but we've greatly overpaid for what we've brought in IMO. Not sure Chip has the patience for negotiations. It's like he thinks "what do I have to do to get this finalised today?". Paid way over market rate for Murray and I can't believe anybody was offering Miles Austin $2.3m or guaranteeing $1m.
What do I know though?
http://www.sportingnews.com/list/4640416-nfl-draft-pick-grades-best-drafting-teams-history-packers-patriots-cowboys-steelers-seahawks-giants-jets-49ers-colts/slide/312660
Ash
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Good link thanks for posting it, I hadn't actually done a comparison but I have read that POV, with examples of a few howlers but I guess every team has those.ignorant people say all kinds of crazy thingsI've heard people say that Belichick the coach's greatest challenge is Belichick the GM and I think he's better at it than Kelly's shown to be so far. I'm not sure talent wise the changes are more than a wash but we've greatly overpaid for what we've brought in IMO. Not sure Chip has the patience for negotiations. It's like he thinks "what do I have to do to get this finalised today?". Paid way over market rate for Murray and I can't believe anybody was offering Miles Austin $2.3m or guaranteeing $1m.
What do I know though?
http://www.sportingnews.com/list/4640416-nfl-draft-pick-grades-best-drafting-teams-history-packers-patriots-cowboys-steelers-seahawks-giants-jets-49ers-colts/slide/312660
Actually makes me feel worse though, if Belichick is actually doing well as a GM. My point is that I think Chip's not doing well so far.
Kool-Aid Larry
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gotta give him a chance --- they haven't even played a game yet with chip the gm guys
don't forget belichick was axed in cle --- maybe they were a little quick on that trigger, or whatever axes have
edit: and btw, many years later and several titles and people still howl every time belichick makes some personnel move they don't agree with
don't forget belichick was axed in cle --- maybe they were a little quick on that trigger, or whatever axes have
edit: and btw, many years later and several titles and people still howl every time belichick makes some personnel move they don't agree with
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Ash
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I remember thinking "WTF?" when the Pats gave up a first round pick to hire him from the Jets. Like I said, what do I know?
Logically I know we have to wait and see how the draft, then the season goes. Just makes me nervous that we seem to have spent so much money for so little talent gain over last year, Maxwell aside.
Skoo
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Bleacher Report's Jason Cole reports the Eagles are not interested in trading for Johnny Manziel.
A rumor hit the internets earlier this week that had the Eagles and Browns talking about a deal that would send Manziel plus draft picks to Philadelphia for Sam Bradford. Cole doesn't deny that the two teams have been talking, but says the discussions have centered around the Eagles wanting to acquire the Browns' first-round picks in an effort to move up in the draft for Marcus Mariota.
Related: Eagles
Source: Bleacher Report
Apr 8 - 1:41 PM
A rumor hit the internets earlier this week that had the Eagles and Browns talking about a deal that would send Manziel plus draft picks to Philadelphia for Sam Bradford. Cole doesn't deny that the two teams have been talking, but says the discussions have centered around the Eagles wanting to acquire the Browns' first-round picks in an effort to move up in the draft for Marcus Mariota.
Related: Eagles
Source: Bleacher Report
Apr 8 - 1:41 PM
Skoo
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I don't buy the Manziel report unless it's soley to use him as trade bait. (is he worth anything right now?)
As others have said, Chip could've had Manziel last year.
And after his 2014 season, he is pretty much the farthest thing from being a "Chip" guy.
We ship divas out of town, not in.
As others have said, Chip could've had Manziel last year.
And after his 2014 season, he is pretty much the farthest thing from being a "Chip" guy.
We ship divas out of town, not in.
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Rimez
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Insein
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unckeyherb
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Amused to Death
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I think its more likely the Browns are saying "no really - if you want to deal, you HAVE to take Manziel off our hands".Skoo said:
Bob Magaw
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JetMaxx
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Many big IFs here, but let's say that if Browns want to merely purge themselves of Manziel and want to save face by trading him, and if he as a result were a mere throw in a Mariota trade, and if he's re-focused following rehab, and if he were given a 1 screw up and your cut ultimatum, how would you feel having him as 3rd QB instead of Barkley?
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dhockster
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Long Ball Larry
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As a 3rd-string QB, not sure why this even matters much, but sure I would take him over Barkley. I would probably being willing to listen to about anyone this side of Babe Laufenberg over Barkley.
Bob Magaw
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http://www.nflshop.com/2092130/source/ak1944nfl-pla?sku=6835519&003=14180831&CS_010=2092130Insein said:
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I can see this not exactly flying off the shelves right now, with the trade rumors still swirling. Plus many will be in wait and see mode, to make sure his ACL doesn't explode, from a hot dog wrapper blowing into it, or something.
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Insein
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mquinnjr
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Obviously this needs to be corroborated by another source since this is just a blog site, but if this rumor has any legs, we sold high on McCoy:
http://www.phlsportsnation.com/2015/04/09/source-nfl-has-tape-of-mccoy-threatening-to-hit-chip-kelly/
http://www.phlsportsnation.com/2015/04/09/source-nfl-has-tape-of-mccoy-threatening-to-hit-chip-kelly/
CentralPA
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Doesn't surprise me. McCoy just sounds like a complete ****. He was fun to watch but some of his actions just scream huge #####.
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