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It's been a great run Peyton - now enjoy retirement.. (2 Viewers)
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FUBAR
Footballguy
shadyridr
Footballguy
by who?wait. it's been said in this forum that the Browns Defense is great.
Faust
MVP
Inside Football: As bad as Peyton is now, it's only going to get worse
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/25345119/inside-football-as-bad-as-peyton-is-now-its-only-going-to-get-worse
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/writer/jason-la-canfora/25345119/inside-football-as-bad-as-peyton-is-now-its-only-going-to-get-worse
ShamrockPride
Footballguy
It's interesting that despite a 6-0 start, Kubiak is getting toasted in both the Peyton and Denver RB threads. It all comes back to him.
shadyridr
Footballguy
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
Jimbo Slice
Footballguy
Got someone to trade for him. Thank you jesus
Faust
MVP
Gary Kubiak, Broncos players not concerned about Peyton Manning:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25347007/gary-kubiak-broncos-players-not-concerned-about-peyton-manning
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25347007/gary-kubiak-broncos-players-not-concerned-about-peyton-manning
Faust
MVP
Peyton Manning, Broncos liability? Not so fast, Denver doubters:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000562264/article/peyton-manning-broncos-liability-not-so-fast-denver-doubters
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000562264/article/peyton-manning-broncos-liability-not-so-fast-denver-doubters
FUBAR
Footballguy
I'm happy to be wrong.even those of us who think Peyton can be the qb for a playoff team don't think the team is better than the pack or Patriots.
I might take Peyton over Stafford and cutler still (in the real thing)
Shutout
Footballguy
I was surprised by the degree of how easy the Broncos made it look last night.I'm happy to be wrong.
I might take Peyton over Stafford and cutler still (in the real thing)
Overall, I still saw the warts that are now in Manning's game. I think he is clearly more efficient and more decisive at this point than he was in this system 6 weeks ago but the physical limitations are still popping up.
The difference is the Broncos defense. That's not breaking new news but they showed it last night, which might actually be that the Packers are not what we thought they were. They are pedestrian in offensive passing and Lacy's issues are documented well.
The Broncos look the part of a strong contender but the real "reveal" from last night might be that the Packers won't have a chance without home field advantage. I don't think they can beat the Panthers in Carolina. Probably can't win a shootout against the Giants. If they catch the "good" Falcons, probably can't beat them either. IF the Cowboys can make the playoffs, they can't beat a Romo+Dez Cowboys team. At this point, I basically think the Packers are paper tigers.
having said that, I might need to R-E-L-A-X. After all, it was after a terrible showing in prime time last year that the Patriots righted their ship. I was just not expecting that performance at all last night.
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massraider
Footballguy
Winter is coming.
Ditka Butkus
Footballguy
He was alright. Nothing to write home about.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
FUBAR
Footballguy
agreed on the first bolded section - looking back, the Pack hadn't played a great team yet. Even Seattle isn't what we thought they were.I was surprised by the degree of how easy the Broncos made it look last night.I'm happy to be wrong.
I might take Peyton over Stafford and cutler still (in the real thing)
Overall, I still saw the warts that are now in Manning's game. I think he is clearly more efficient and more decisive at this point than he was in this system 6 weeks ago but the physical limitations are still popping up.
The difference is the Broncos defense. That's not breaking new news but they showed it last night, which might actually be that the Packers are not what we thought they were. They are pedestrian in offensive passing and Lacy's issues are documented well.
The Broncos look the part of a strong contender but the real "reveal" from last night might be that the Packers won't have a chance without home field advantage. I don't think they can beat the Panthers in Carolina. Probably can't win a shootout against the Giants. If they catch the "good" Falcons, probably can't beat them either. IF the Cowboys can make the playoffs, they can't beat a Romo+Dez Cowboys team. At this point, I basically think the Packers are paper tigers.
having said that, I might need to R-E-L-A-X. After all, it was after a terrible showing in prime time last year that the Patriots righted their ship. I was just not expecting that performance at all last night.
On the 2nd bolded section, disagree. Rodgers might set a new record if the Pack played the Giants (sadly, this won't happen until the playoffs)
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FUBAR
Footballguy
sure. but at least the passes I saw early looked better than he had earlier in the season. Maybe he just needs to take every other week off?
moleculo
Footballguy
When asked about his struggles (according to colinsworth), Manning said that his inaccuracies have been related to indecision. I think that Manning's body has been breaking down on him for a long time; he has been getting by purely on mastery of his system. He knows precisely when his receivers will be where they need to be, and can anticipate his throw.
The WCO relies more on quick reads after the snap, as opposed to knowing exactly where the holes will be pre-snap. This forces Manning to adjust what he wants to do, and in essence, he has to think instead of just react. That split second of hesitation forces him to get the ball out quicker than it should, which means the mechanics break down a bit and leads to inaccuracies.
Further, the receivers are all learning new route combinations and reads, and the line is trying to get in sync with the WCO and ZBS. It makes perfect sense that they should struggle, especially early.
I think what we saw last night was Manning becoming more comfortable in Kubiaks WCO, and Kubiak is doing a better job of adapting his system to Manning.
If he can keep that up as the season goes on, and especially when it gets cold, will remain to be seen. The key take-away, IMO, is the running game was looking much better. The outside zone stretch runs are really coming along. As those continue to improve, that will force defenses attention, and will really start to open things up even more down-field.
The WCO relies more on quick reads after the snap, as opposed to knowing exactly where the holes will be pre-snap. This forces Manning to adjust what he wants to do, and in essence, he has to think instead of just react. That split second of hesitation forces him to get the ball out quicker than it should, which means the mechanics break down a bit and leads to inaccuracies.
Further, the receivers are all learning new route combinations and reads, and the line is trying to get in sync with the WCO and ZBS. It makes perfect sense that they should struggle, especially early.
I think what we saw last night was Manning becoming more comfortable in Kubiaks WCO, and Kubiak is doing a better job of adapting his system to Manning.
If he can keep that up as the season goes on, and especially when it gets cold, will remain to be seen. The key take-away, IMO, is the running game was looking much better. The outside zone stretch runs are really coming along. As those continue to improve, that will force defenses attention, and will really start to open things up even more down-field.
mr roboto
Footballguy
The knock on Manning was always that he put up video game passing numbers in the regular season but his team's fell short when it counted most.
Now he's on a team where the defense and running game is primary and he's getting knocked for not being a prolific passer.
I think he'd rather have a Joe Flacco season stat line and another SB ring.
Now he's on a team where the defense and running game is primary and he's getting knocked for not being a prolific passer.
I think he'd rather have a Joe Flacco season stat line and another SB ring.
Manning knows his skills have deteriorated because of age. He's just fortunate enough to be smarter than everyone on the field and sidelines. That's giving him life longer than most guys with an arm like his. He looked great last night, though. Not 2005ish great, but great nonetheless.
JohnnyU
Footballguy
As much as I like Peyton Manning and I liked him a lot more when he played for the Colts than I do now, but I disagree with the smarter than eveyrone on the field comment. Hell, he set a record for pick 6s in a season and probably holds the all-time record. He used to frustrate me to no end by throwing the pick 6. He did it against NE the year he won the Super Bowl and was fortunate enough to overcome it. He did in the Super Bowl against the Saints that sealed their fate. He is the king of untimely interceptions. I"m not so sure that is smart.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
This is awful, cue the Jim Morrison.
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
when do they make the switch? He's worse than most teams backups.
Uncle Grandpa
Footballguy
Are we still blaming Gary Kubiak for this?
McGarnicle
Footballguy
This is undignified. I'm glad Denver's not in Japan.
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[scooter]
Footballguy
Searching PFR, I came up with:
11/9/1975, Kim McQuilken of the Atlanta Falcons (5-for-26 for 42 yards and 5 INTs) vs. the Vikings
10/19/1972, Dan Pastorini of the Houston Oilers (3-for-21 for 31 yards and 4 INTs) vs. the Raiders
QuizGuy66
Footballguy
Pro Football Reference game finder only goes back to '99.
Since then closest was Delhomme with 7 completions and 4 INTs.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/play-index/pgl_finder.cgi?request=1&match=game&year_min=1960&year_max=2015&season_start=1&season_end=-1&age_min=0&age_max=99&pos=QB&game_type=&league_id=&team_id=&opp_id=&game_num_min=0&game_num_max=99&week_num_min=0&week_num_max=99&stadium_id=&game_day_of_week=&game_month=&game_location=&game_result=&handedness=&is_active=&is_hof=&c1stat=pass_int&c1comp=gt&c1val=4&c2stat=&c2comp=gt&c2val=&c3stat=&c3comp=gt&c3val=&c4stat=&c4comp=gt&c4val=&c5comp=&c5gtlt=lt&c6mult=1.0&c6comp=&order_by=pass_td
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