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RB Ezekiel Elliott, NE (6 Viewers)
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matuski
Footballguy
Zeke is the more talented RB, obviously. Off the field, do we know this for sure? Emmitt was a semi regular member of the White House if I recall? Can't find reference to it now, but I know it was assumed/known back then.
I think if we could go back in time and apply today's social media scrutiny to 90s NFL athletes, not many would be left standing.
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Cowboysfan8
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Bringing in a rb that played for them before to run in camp and compete for a roster spot is not “ panicking and shopping around for a rb just in case”
dhockster
Footballguy
I agree that they are not panicking, but this is definitely a "just in case" move and there is nothing wrong with that.
Cowboysfan8
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Manster
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cobalt_27
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matuski
Footballguy
thank god tmz is here saving years old fender benders for best/worst possible dramatization.
Twenty-Four Eighty-Four
Footballguy
In a 10 team redraft league (free draft that I did early in June for the fun of it) I selected Zeke. I got a few trade offers for him and accepted the following just two days ago.
I gave: Zeke & Drake
I got: David Johnson, Josh Jacobs, Darrell Henderson.
Glad to get rid of him if this mess could go on for months. I don't know if this is a good marker for what you could get for him but thought I'd share.
I gave: Zeke & Drake
I got: David Johnson, Josh Jacobs, Darrell Henderson.
Glad to get rid of him if this mess could go on for months. I don't know if this is a good marker for what you could get for him but thought I'd share.
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barackdhouse
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I earned the 4 spot in one of my bigger stake leagues later this month. If Zeke is there at 4 I might pass and take Kelce or OBJ. I know they are both reaches but I like them both more than any other WR. I might be talked into David Johnson though.
Guess the main point is if this #### is still going on when I draft, Zeke will more than likely have slid. Barkley, CMC and Kamara will go first.
Guess the main point is if this #### is still going on when I draft, Zeke will more than likely have slid. Barkley, CMC and Kamara will go first.
Rhythmdoctor
Footballguy
Here we go. Seems like these scenarios rarely workout for anyone.
Without knowing anything, I feel like a deal will get done- sooner rather than later.
JJ is aged and knows this is quite possibly the last go round. the Cowboys are 100% built to win now. JJ is not going to let this opportunity go by. He has a history of paying his star players. All this other stuff is just noise, trying to communicate through the media as a means of controlling the narrative. He has referenced his age and the idea this is his last shot at another ring- he's going to end up paying Zeke, likely closer to Zeke's asking price than the top 5ish money supposedly offered.
JJ is not disciplined as an owner and he will likely give in. Think Zeke gets his contract within a week of the regular season opener. Between now and 8/25 really doesn't matter much. So long as Zeke is working out, he'll be fine, he doesn't need camp and preseason stuff.
JJ is aged and knows this is quite possibly the last go round. the Cowboys are 100% built to win now. JJ is not going to let this opportunity go by. He has a history of paying his star players. All this other stuff is just noise, trying to communicate through the media as a means of controlling the narrative. He has referenced his age and the idea this is his last shot at another ring- he's going to end up paying Zeke, likely closer to Zeke's asking price than the top 5ish money supposedly offered.
JJ is not disciplined as an owner and he will likely give in. Think Zeke gets his contract within a week of the regular season opener. Between now and 8/25 really doesn't matter much. So long as Zeke is working out, he'll be fine, he doesn't need camp and preseason stuff.
Don Hutson
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If he holds out until October, he can go to Sammy Hagar's annual birthday bash in Cabo.
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Cowboysfan8
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Cowboysfan8
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JetMaxx
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Cowboysfan8
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JetMaxx
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Cowboysfan8
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Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Jerry will cave sooner rather than later, but he will regret it within a year or two, unless they somehow win the Super Bowl this year.
Manster
Footballguy
I know nothing either, but I think you're right. And I think Zeke understands Jerrah's motivation to win another SB on a limited timeline. Thats why hes sticking to his guns, and saying nothing......he holds the cards.
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dhockster
Footballguy
Elliot has to be on the roster for 6 regular seasons to get an accrued season for free agency. So he will report to play the final 6 games of the season. If he sits out the first 10 games he loses about $2.4 million of his $3.8 million salary this year. That's not a whole lot in the scope of the NFL. If he wants to play hardball and be the top paid running back, he has the leverage of the Cowboys risking a chance of going to the Super Bowl this year if they don't pay what he wants. If Elliot won't settle for anything less then being the top paid running back, then I don't think he will get a new deal and he will hold out 10 games. I don't think the Cowboys will pay Elliot as the top paid Running Back, based on what both Jones have said to date.
Steeler
Footballguy
I disagree that Zeke has a lot of leverage. I get the Cowboys can't win a SB without him, but they probably aren't going to win it with him either. Zeke is playing chicken with Jerry but that's not leverage IMO.
Zeke can hold out, plays 6 games to accrue a season and earn 1.2 M this year (based on your numbers). Then I assume he holds out next year too and plays 6 games to accrue another season? Then he can be franchise tagged for 3 years. In those three years he doesn't have to play to accrue seasons so lets say he sits out the entire time. So theoretically he can withhold his services for basically 5 years (playing only 12 games total) and earning ~3M. Or he can accept he's not going to be the highest paid RB and get way more. I see no leverage here.
Zeke can hold out, plays 6 games to accrue a season and earn 1.2 M this year (based on your numbers). Then I assume he holds out next year too and plays 6 games to accrue another season? Then he can be franchise tagged for 3 years. In those three years he doesn't have to play to accrue seasons so lets say he sits out the entire time. So theoretically he can withhold his services for basically 5 years (playing only 12 games total) and earning ~3M. Or he can accept he's not going to be the highest paid RB and get way more. I see no leverage here.
STEADYMOBBIN 22
Footballguy
Eagles’ front office.
JJ’s Cowboys front office.
Elaborate.
The amount of time you spend talking about the Cowboys is truly weird.
And since you brought it up, you let the wrong coach go (Frank Reich,) and let the leader and heart of your offense walk out the door in favor of a broke up hillbilly who doesn't get along well with others.
You got swept last year. Elaborate.
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dhockster
Footballguy
Well, if he got franchised tagged for three years he would be earning top 5 average at his position. So much more than $3M. Regardless, I may over stated that he has a lot of leverage. But the fact that he does not have a big salary this year which makes holding out much easier, and the fact that the Cowboys have built their offense around him and they would be a Super Bowl contender if he plays, means he does have some leverage. If he is dead set on being the highest paid running back then I think he would hold out until he has to play to accrue a season of service. Then it's up to the Cowboys to decide if they are willing to pay top dollar or not to potentially save their chance at a Super Bowl this year.
-jb-
Footballguy
This article plays out both Zeke’s and Melvin’ situation.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.si.com/nfl/2019/08/06/ezekiel-elliott-cowboys-melvin-gordon-chargers-holdouts-remembering-don-banks
https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.si.com/nfl/2019/08/06/ezekiel-elliott-cowboys-melvin-gordon-chargers-holdouts-remembering-don-banks
JetMaxx
Footballguy
Rico Gaithers
Connor Williams
Dallas Goedert
Super Bowl LII
This used to be more challenging.
Elaborate.
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Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Dizzy
Footballguy
Zeke's only leverage is Cowboys losing. If Jerry's Kids get off to 0-3 start (maybe even 1-2), Zeke will be back in business.
Otherwise, he had better be prepared to give up football forever because that's how long the Cowboys own him until he gets back on the field. This is not a Lev Bell situation... no sunset date for Zeke.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
First three games are NYG, Miami and Washington - 3-0 looks pretty good. Zeke better get in before that.
Dizzy
Footballguy
Wow, I didn't even look at their schedule. Zeke's position here is extremely weak.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
It gets much tougher after that though but they could easily start 3-0 and then what does Zeke do?
Hairy Snowman
Footballguy
Of course, 1-2 or 0-3 and Zeke is looking much better. He really has nothing to lose by sitting out. He plays for the same contract if he loses the gambit. Maybe better if he is on the right side.
I see it a little differently though. Zeke is only going to sit out so many games such that when he comes back, he will accrue the season. Jerry Jones already hinted that he needs Pollard to play well for a 'period of time' and then he can serve as a complimentary back to Zeke.
I don't think Pollard is built for a long season. He looked quick, but took some hits last preseason game.
This is just my looking into my crystal ball, but I think Pollard early, Zeke late. Maybe too late for most fantasy owners.
Dizzy
Footballguy
[Mortensen] It drew a few laughs but neither @EzekielElliott nor agent Rocky Arceneaux found @Cowboys Jerry Jones' quip "Zeke who?" as amusing. Arceneaux: "I didn't think it was funny and neither did Zeke - we actually thought it was disrespectful."
https://twitter.com/mortreport/status/1163507807087484928?s=21
https://twitter.com/mortreport/status/1163507807087484928?s=21
