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have dmc but just grabbed morris as well in case a suspension is announced this week...too much dead wait to be carrying, this needs to be settled soon.
as did I. Hate having 3 Cowboys' RB's on my team, but hopefully we'll know shortly.have dmc but just grabbed morris as well in case a suspension is announced this week...too much dead wait to be carrying, this needs to be settled soon.
From what I understand, the SDNY would be bound by the precedent established by the 2nd Circuit's decision in the Brady case, which essentially confirmed that the CBA agreed upon by Zeke's union (NFLPA) gives Goodell nearly unlimited authority under Article 46.
With that precedent, from their own appellate circuit, the SDNY court should have to conclude that the NFLPA would be hard-pressed to show that their case is likely to be successful. That would be what prevents Zeke (if he fails to do so) from getting an injunction.
ETA-at this point, if you own Zeke, you're probably better off holding him. If you were to try to trade him, I doubt you could get fair value. You'd have to give him away at a discount, & I think the prospect that he keeps the injunction or gets another from the SDNY court would outweigh the return you'd get for him in a trade.
We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. And the reality is that no one knows what a judge will do. But injunctions get entered all the time where a party only establishes a possibility rather than a reasonable likelihood of ultimate success on the merits. Given that that the NFL suffers no harm if an injunction is entered and Zeke suffers irreparable, by definition, harm if he is suspended and then wins, I think the Court will be a bit flexible on the success-on-the-merits prong of the analysis.Bayhawks said:From what I understand, the SDNY would be bound by the precedent established by the 2nd Circuit's decision in the Brady case, which essentially confirmed that the CBA agreed upon by Zeke's union (NFLPA) gives Goodell nearly unlimited authority under Article 46.
With that precedent, from their own appellate circuit, the SDNY court should have to conclude that the NFLPA would be hard-pressed to show that their case is likely to be successful. That would be what prevents Zeke (if he fails to do so) from getting an injunction.
ETA-at this point, if you own Zeke, you're probably better off holding him. If you were to try to trade him, I doubt you could get fair value. You'd have to give him away at a discount, & I think the prospect that he keeps the injunction or gets another from the SDNY court would outweigh the return you'd get for him in a trade.
When do you anticipate a ruling, Late Sunday night or Monday morning seem like a good bet. The PR Friday at 5:00pm works as well.We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. And the reality is that no one knows what a judge will do. But injunctions get entered all the time where a party only establishes a possibility rather than a reasonable likelihood of ultimate success on the merits. Given that that the NFL suffers no harm if an injunction is entered and Zeke suffers irreparable, by definition, harm if he is suspended and then wins, I think the Court will be a bit flexible on the success-on-the-merits prong of the analysis.
The Brady case isn't conclusive as to the merits here. The Brady case, from what I remember, basically said that the Courts won't overrule the NFL's determination -- even if wrong or the Court would rule otherwise -- if due process was afforded. Here, I think that Zeke attacks the due process prong. In that case, the Courts could consistently rule in favor the NFL (in Brady) and in favor of Zeke in this case.
I wouldn't expect the Court to time its ruling based on PR concerns. So I don't think that a late Friday night decision is any more likely than any other time. I think that the Court will issue a decision when it's ready to issue the decision. But, if I had to guess, I would think an early week ruling makes sense. It gives the Court the weekend to reflect on its decision and finalize the ruling and it gives the parties a few days to react and take necessary actions after the decision has been rendered.When do you anticipate a ruling, Late Sunday night or Monday morning seem like a good bet. The PR Friday at 5:00pm works as well.
I will defer to your opinion. I’m basing mine on things I’ve read, rather than any kind of personal experience/knowledge. That being said, I’ll look it up (when I have time & if I remember), but I don’t think the Brady decision made any mention of due process. IIRC, it was basically “the NFLPA said Goodell could handle player discipline, so he gets to handle player discipline.”We'll have to agree to disagree on this one. And the reality is that no one knows what a judge will do. But injunctions get entered all the time where a party only establishes a possibility rather than a reasonable likelihood of ultimate success on the merits. Given that that the NFL suffers no harm if an injunction is entered and Zeke suffers irreparable, by definition, harm if he is suspended and then wins, I think the Court will be a bit flexible on the success-on-the-merits prong of the analysis.
The Brady case isn't conclusive as to the merits here. The Brady case, from what I remember, basically said that the Courts won't overrule the NFL's determination -- even if wrong or the Court would rule otherwise -- if due process was afforded. Here, I think that Zeke attacks the due process prong. In that case, the Courts could consistently rule in favor the NFL (in Brady) and in favor of Zeke in this case.
Not cool...Ruling is out!!!! Zeke Vindicated!!!!
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Remind me to punch you in the throat if we ever meet.Ruling is out!!!! Zeke Vindicated!!!!
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You should be banned for six weeks!!!Ruling is out!!!! Zeke Vindicated!!!!
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I did the trade. No guts, no glory! If Zeke does get suspended my other rb's are Martin, Lynch, and Kamara. I think I can get by with them especially if Kamara keeps getting more playing time.Hankmoody said:And if he does, it's like getting a free WR for 5 of them. There's a non-zero chance Watson outscores Hunt ROS, and a pretty reasonable chance he scores within a couple of PPG of him ROS. That's approaching Zeke for free. That trade is a no-brainer in my mind.
Wish I could say that's the first time I've done that on this board... but I believe I got a lot of people last year with Ingram going to NE at the trade deadline Sorry everyone! Happy Thursday...+1 lol you got me though.
I haven't looked at the Brady decision but your recollection could be correct. I think that the issue is that arbitration decisions will be respected -- even if wrong -- provided there is nothing significantly flawed in the process. So, for Brady, the Court upheld the decision. Here, the Texas Court took quite a few digs at the process, which could lead one to believe that a Court could rule that the process was flawed and thus unworthy of being upheld. However, even in that case, it would likely just go back to the NFL for another hearing. Zeke could very well lose but I think that he could present an argument that there's a non-zero chance that he wins. In that case, notwithstanding strong language in the applicable standard about a reasonable likelihood of success, the Court may focus on relative harms and not want to disturb the status quo until the matter can be fully developed.I will defer to your opinion. I’m basing mine on things I’ve read, rather than any kind of personal experience/knowledge. That being said, I’ll look it up (when I have time & if I remember), but I don’t think the Brady decision made any mention of due process. IIRC, it was basically “the NFLPA said Goodell could handle player discipline, so he gets to handle player discipline.”
Super uncool. Don't do this ever again.Wish I could say that's the first time I've done that on this board... but I believe I got a lot of people last year with Ingram going to NE at the trade deadline Sorry everyone! Happy Thursday...
just a joke. no worries. bad form i can understandSuper uncool. Don't do this ever again.
I was wondering when we were going to start discussing this.Is McFadden or Morris the guy to own if Elliot gets suspended?
Worth stashing Morris or DMC for two weeks?I was wondering when we were going to start discussing this.
Been hold alf since like week 2 then someone dropped dmc and I picked him up too. Ain't dropping till decision is out.Tick tock, tick tock.
Keep flip flopping on whether or not to ditch DMC and Morris prior to kickoff and deal with other issues.
Roll of the dice thinking you can get either back in waivers if there is no decision (although Monday is a holiday for most so maybe this takes a couple more days).
Both could be useless as well. And, it's going to take two weeks plus for all of us to truly know who gets the majority of the carries since there is a bye week next week.
What's everyone doing?
You seem to take an odd joy in all of this.Going to suck extra hard when the the courts rule in the NFL's favor next week. I can feel it coming.
Quite the opposite.You seem to take an odd joy in all of this.
Hope its just gas.Going to suck extra hard when the the courts rule in the NFL's favor next week. I can feel it coming.
I did eat almost an entire bag of Doritos today.Hope its just gas.
He's not the same guy as last year...Am I crazy?
You guys know they replaced two of the linemen and moved a guy from guard to RT, right?
O-line issues. They were dominant last year.He's not the same guy as last year...Am I crazy?
this week I hearGoing to suck extra hard when the the courts rule in the NFL's favor next week. I can feel it coming.
Nope. He isn't in as good of shape. And the o line isn't playing as wellHe's not the same guy as last year...Am I crazy?
I'll take no news for the next 12 weeks. Actually just 11 weeks is fine.Still no news. Jesus. This is brutal.
Get on with it already.
Why is that bad news?been over a week..probably not good news for zeke owners
Why do people keep saying this? I think the longer it drags out the more I think it favors Zeke.been over a week..probably not good news for zeke owners