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Patriots being investigated after Colts game (2 Viewers)
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Anarchy99
Footballguy
Part of the issue with a story like this is that very few people (myself included) have any idea of the process let alone if the Patriots actually did anything wrong. For example, all the game balls could have been handled by league employees and not Patriots employees. And a sampling of game balls from both teams could face random spot checks to make sure the balls themselves are being manufactured properly and meet quality standards. Balls from both sidelines at all games could easily be checked for any number of reasons. For right now, we have no idea what happened or if game used balls being checked after a game is standard protocol. It could simply be a case of a reporter hearing that NFL checking game ball = a headline of PATS CHEATED.
shader
Footballguy
People also don't read articles anymore. So all it takes is a few headlines, and half of the people in your office will automatically think the Pats cheated, even if they didn't.
rockaction
Footballguy
People making light of this because of the score of the AFC Championship Game are also forgetting that there's a game in a few weeks, and you can bet that if they find that the balls were deflated in last night's game, they won't be in the SB.
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
buck naked
Footballguy
ragnarok628
Footballguy
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
oh yeah, sure they can -- it's just the FWD pass that's relevant
that's why you see vereen hop backwards a few steps so there's no way he can violate that.
when he hops back and puts his hands up I'm not sure how much of that is decoy and how much is hoping they leave him uncovered for the pitch and run.
the moops
Footballguy
They can catch a lateral or receive a handoff. But they do run the chance of getting labeled a cheater and risk having an asterix attached to any yardage gained.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
rockaction
Footballguy
I was using pronouns on a message board because typing out every noun seemed silly.
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ragnarok628
Footballguy
pizzatyme
Footballguy
You see where I'm going with this though, right? Vereen reports as ineligible. The referee makes an announcement to "do not cover" this guy. Vereen splits out wide right and they run trips left. The Seahawks leave Vereen uncovered and then boom, they pop a lateral pass to him. It's coming!!!
Anarchy99
Footballguy
Let's really shake things up. Let's just say the Pats not only knew what was going on but they planned and schemed to deflate footballs for the game with the Colts. And let's say that they also knew that if caught they would lose some sort of draft pick. And they didn't care.
Now I don't fully understand how having a ball with less air could dramatically impact the game, but if the Pats were convinced that they would make the SB by taking the air out of the balls, wouldn't that just be another strategic element of coaching? How many NFL teams would trade a draft pick to play in the Super Bowl? I venture a lot of them would. I know that sounds silly, but taken in context not every action in a game carries a death knell and forfeit. By rule, it doesn't sound like their would be major penalties for tampering with the ball (if that even happened).
So just like a penalty on the field of play in a game, a team takes off the field penalties as well.
rockaction
Footballguy
David Dodds
Anarchy99
Footballguy
But they could do the same thing with a guard or tackle. I suspect in the next few years a pulling guard will run a sweep and a team will be so surprised that it will go for a big game.
ragnarok628
Footballguy
The only sensible reading of you initial comment seems to indicate that you believe the patriots could be kept out of the super bowl depending on the outcome of this investigation, in which case you're the idiot. If that's not the case, then you have too feeble a grasp on the english language to communicate intelligibly and therefore are still an idiot.
pizzatyme
Footballguy
Come on man. Sure they could. But, to be effective and to take this to another level, put a speed player out there as ineligible, have him be left uncovered, and then Boom! I find it to be brilliant. This is one wrinkle I am on board with from the Patriots. I wish my team's coaches would have thought of it.
rockaction
Footballguy
This post is hidden because you have chosen to ignore posts by ragnarok628. View it anyway?
No. Idiot. Not even right about the sentence. Go home.
eta* Let me explain. When reading a sentence, one would have had to have used "The Patriots," or some other obvious reference to the team in order for one to assume that one was referring to that entity in the later pronouns. In this case, I never mentioned the Patriots, but did say "footballs," which is what the "they" then later refers to.
You're projecting and misreading the sentence qua sentence. I just didn't want to bother. So now…you're blocked. And still stupid.
Thanks.
-RA
No. Idiot. Not even right about the sentence. Go home.
eta* Let me explain. When reading a sentence, one would have had to have used "The Patriots," or some other obvious reference to the team in order for one to assume that one was referring to that entity in the later pronouns. In this case, I never mentioned the Patriots, but did say "footballs," which is what the "they" then later refers to.
You're projecting and misreading the sentence qua sentence. I just didn't want to bother. So now…you're blocked. And still stupid.
Thanks.
-RA
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Deamon
Footballguy
They were only given to the patriots offense.
They are apparently however also looking into one of the balls the colts used.
pizzatyme
Footballguy
Anarchy99
Footballguy
So if you take a pen home from work is that "embezzling?" Is that worthy of being fired? Suspended? Just curious if things are only black and white or if there are levels of grey.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
If you are operating with the knowledge that the ball won't be as difficult to throw as it should be, that is an advantage. It would change a game plan.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
They were (if true). Did you read the thread. Each team uses their own set of balls on offense.
devouredbychaos
Footballguy
Lmao the amount of salt in this thread is ####### hilarious. The amount of "OMGZ THEY CHEATED" posts is even more hilarious. Gotta love how jealous the best franchise of the past 15 years makes people. I also find it funny that half of you guys are 40 and over, and yet you act like you're 12. Lets accuse someone of cheating even though there's no proof!
devouredbychaos
Footballguy
Apple Jack
Footballguy
Devine Intervention
Footballguy
There has been plenty of proof that they cheated in the past.
Once you are known as a cheater you do not get that benefit of the doubt.
If one of Greg Williams defense gets accused of targeting I bet he doesn't get the benefit of the doubt either.
Its not immature to dislike a team that has cheated and has had success. Look at A-rod, Barry Bonds, etc. No one likes a cheater. Its more immature to try to ignore their sketchy ways as long as it means winning. That's classless.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
No, it doesn't quite meet the definition of "embezzling" (which is more of a financial fraud), but it is "stealing".
Perhaps not "worthy" of being fired, but it says something about the persons character and if your employer really wanted to it could be a trigger point for termination.
Same, as prior answer.
If your point is that this form of "cheating" is only a minor one, then most would probably agree with that.
Apple Jack
Footballguy
What does taking a pen from work have to do with cheating to gain an advantage against an opponent in sports?
devouredbychaos
Footballguy
Embrace the stupidity and let us Pats fans know how it turns out. We'll be here, busy making plans for the Super Bowl
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
It's kind of like saying that any team that has committed a penalty during the season also cheated, and thus every team cheats.
Flying Elvis
Footballguy
I'm sure it's already been mentioned but, as a reminder, I'll repeat: Please don't bring logic to this thread.
jonessed
Footballguy
I don't think my taking a pen home from work would be a national news story. I read it here first, but there are articles on every major news website. It's crazy how fast stuff like this gets out. Obviously their history plays a big part, but still.
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Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
absolutely that could be part of the play.pizzatyme said:
I posted a bunch of links to analysis of the play in the trick plays thread, I think it was, for the maybe 1% of this board interested in x's and o's.
I'd refer you to that, as there are much better qualified to explain that stuff than myself.
what I think you should understand about that play is how the nfl rules are written, and how the pats roster is built to run something like that.
without getting into all that, I think vereen could certainly be a secondary read on that play, if not even a primary.
like a lot of plays you'll get the ball to different guys depending on what the defense does.
just to look at a simple play action that's common to everybody's playbook, you're using deception to suck in safeties and linebackers which schemes receivers free --- you throw to whoever is least covered.
Grigs Allmoon
Footballguy
I know this Bills fan would, too.Bigboy10182000 said:
Apple Jack
Footballguy
Devine Intervention
Footballguy
No one can take away your enjoyment as a classless organization. That is really awesome for your city. In all honesty I would take it if it were my city. But own it man. You have a sketchy team. So enjoy this time but 20 years from now when they compare dynasties lets see how it all plays out and what people actually give them credit for.Embrace the stupidity and let us Pats fans know how it turns out. We'll be here, busy making plans for the Super Bowl
Kool-Aid Larry
Footballguy
Baloney Sandwich
Footballguy
What if I planned on doing work from home with the pen I took from the office? Could I still get fired for that?
