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FUBAR
Footballguy
Tony Romo
Jay Cutler
Eddie Lacy
Alfred Morris
DeAndre Hopkins
Torrey Smith
Travis Kelce
Doubt I end up with Cutler on too many of my "real" teams but if he falls outside the top 16 and I can pair him with a steady performer like Romo, he might actually end up on quite a few of my best ball teams. He's inconsistent and lacks the upside of some QBs left - I would not want him as my QB1, but this pair should provide a good QBBC.
Jay Cutler
Eddie Lacy
Alfred Morris
DeAndre Hopkins
Torrey Smith
Travis Kelce
Doubt I end up with Cutler on too many of my "real" teams but if he falls outside the top 16 and I can pair him with a steady performer like Romo, he might actually end up on quite a few of my best ball teams. He's inconsistent and lacks the upside of some QBs left - I would not want him as my QB1, but this pair should provide a good QBBC.
Reaper
Footballguy
Yeah, didn't want to comment until after the expected QB run was solidily under way...
Took the risk at the 4/5 turn of not taking a QB "early" knowing the run was coming. Laid all the QB's out and, of course worst case scenario happened - I hoped to get at least Eli to team with one of these shaky QB's.
Figured Rudy and or Fro would bypass QB2 after spending for a top QB1...
Thought about sloshing QB till much later and piecing together some rooks/projects but, decided to just grab 2 starters now.
Could be some upside with Kaepernick...Flacco seems pretty stable so, not end of the world in best play.
Took the risk at the 4/5 turn of not taking a QB "early" knowing the run was coming. Laid all the QB's out and, of course worst case scenario happened - I hoped to get at least Eli to team with one of these shaky QB's.
Figured Rudy and or Fro would bypass QB2 after spending for a top QB1...
Thought about sloshing QB till much later and piecing together some rooks/projects but, decided to just grab 2 starters now.
Could be some upside with Kaepernick...Flacco seems pretty stable so, not end of the world in best play.
rzrback77
Footballguy
Is it just me, or is there a lot of hopeful optimism being sold, errrr, presented in the previous few posts?
My favorite part of these early drafts is seeing and hearing everyone's thoughts on who they took, who they were excited to get, and such.
Keep up the conversations! Awesomeness.
My favorite part of these early drafts is seeing and hearing everyone's thoughts on who they took, who they were excited to get, and such.
Keep up the conversations! Awesomeness.
FUBAR
Footballguy
If you're referring to my comment that Romo/Cutler make a good QBBC, why wouldn't they?
Reaper
Footballguy
It's ALL Hopeful optimism this time of year ; )
Not like the QB run is a surprise to anyone.... Best Ball does allow mediocre Qb's to catch up a little tho...
If you add up even Kaep and Flacco from last year taking the best scores they add up to a top 6 QB....
I think both QB's can put up better numbers - I'd hope both teams also add a top WR.
rzrback77
Footballguy
you were only one of three consecutive. Cutler is usually great in best ball and a due of him and Romo should be excellent. I am sure that I am among a legion who were significantly disappointed in Cutler's production this season and at this point, should we be fooled by his performances? He will not be on any of my redraft teams in 2015 outside of best ball UNLESS he drops farther than I expect.
rzrback77
Footballguy
agree, all teams are 0-0 and the slate is clean. I was excited by the run to a point, but now I am one of many with one solid player and what will we find under this rock?
1.8 Jimmy Graham - 2PPR for TE and TE2 floor made this one pretty easy
2.9 Alshon Jeffery - Cutler adds a little risk, but best of WR left and 5 of 7 picking before my next pick started w RB, so WR easy choice
3.8 Lamar Miller - Would have possibly been pick at 2.9 if I went RB. Given more work in last two games and he responded. Arrow pointing up
4.9 Giovani Bernard - PPR mainstay even w Hill getting 20+ carries and still a big play threat. No WR stood out here. Hard to pass on Morris too
5.8 Doug Martin - Kind of punting WR bc I feel more confident about later value in best ball. Seriously considered Stewart too, but Martin came on late
6.9 Matthew Stafford - Predictable QB run pick. QB5-12 or so very level
7.8 Derek Carr - Didn't want to be without a steady QB2, and news of no huddle this AM only helps his weekly ceiling
Picks I wish I could have made
2.06 krsone21- AJ Green WR8 CIN
3.01 Reaper - Brandon Marshall WR15 CHI
4.03 Norseman - Andre Ellington RB15 ARZ
4.12 FUBAR - Alfred Morris RB19 WAS
5.05 FUBAR - Torrey Smith WR34 BAL
6.05 HellToupee - Cam Newton QB7 CAR
2.9 Alshon Jeffery - Cutler adds a little risk, but best of WR left and 5 of 7 picking before my next pick started w RB, so WR easy choice
3.8 Lamar Miller - Would have possibly been pick at 2.9 if I went RB. Given more work in last two games and he responded. Arrow pointing up
4.9 Giovani Bernard - PPR mainstay even w Hill getting 20+ carries and still a big play threat. No WR stood out here. Hard to pass on Morris too
5.8 Doug Martin - Kind of punting WR bc I feel more confident about later value in best ball. Seriously considered Stewart too, but Martin came on late
6.9 Matthew Stafford - Predictable QB run pick. QB5-12 or so very level
7.8 Derek Carr - Didn't want to be without a steady QB2, and news of no huddle this AM only helps his weekly ceiling
Picks I wish I could have made
2.06 krsone21- AJ Green WR8 CIN
3.01 Reaper - Brandon Marshall WR15 CHI
4.03 Norseman - Andre Ellington RB15 ARZ
4.12 FUBAR - Alfred Morris RB19 WAS
5.05 FUBAR - Torrey Smith WR34 BAL
6.05 HellToupee - Cam Newton QB7 CAR
Lacy over Forte/Charles is interesting. Seems like Lacy is still trying to climb to where they already are
Green was exceptional value. this duo could give you quite the headstart if you can nail a later RB pick or two
RB scarcity is magnified in 16 teamer forces hand earlier. this one will be interesting to track... Ingram says NO wants him back...I admit to not being a consistent group-think guy, but MI was 2014's #14 RB (total points) in this format while missing 3 games. With 5 of the guys ahead of him turning 29 or 30 this year and he being 25 and completely healthy, I think he's top 12 if he stays in NO and higher if he goes somewhere they really need a lead dog. Sorry if I startled you.Ingram at 2.14?!
Something I don't know....?
big range of outcomes here w Kubiak in town. Who knows what he thinks of Ball, etc...
SF would be smart to bring back Gore and he won't go away quietly if they do... but we can't count on SF to be smart after what went down w Harbaugh
in context, hyde pick looks better with high baseline WR1/WR2/WR3 production. can afford more boom/bust at RB
easy pick in this format... if it ain't broke... wish i had had the guts to take him over martin.
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FUBAR
Footballguy
Admittedly, he doesn't do as well in PPR. But his star is rising while the others are setting.
krsone21
Footballguy
Alex Smith seemed like the last safe QB pick left on the board. He isn't exciting but he is the starting QB in KC. I can see Smith getting me 4-5 scoring weeks during the season. He does have a few big games every season. The rest of the QB's are either big question marks or 2nd year QB's in iffy situations or rookies.
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HellToupee
Footballguy
never envisioned taking Bortles in the 7th but being on the tail end of this epic QB run it makes sense too me
FUBAR
Footballguy
Fullback Fro
yesno
1.02 Fullback Fro - LeVeon Bell - RB1 PIT
2.15 Fullback Fro - Drew Brees QB3 NO
3.02 Fullback Fro - Jeremey Maclin WR16 PHI
4.15 Fullback Fro - Melvin Gordon RB21 ROOK
5.02 Fullback Fro - Anquan Boldin WR32 SF
6.15 Fullback Fro - Eli Manning QB14 NYG
7.02 Fullback Fro - Larry Fitzgerald WR40 ARZ
There are still some things that need to fall into place with my WR's contracts but its nothing I think that are huge obstacles. The Eagles need Maclin and he came through last year in a big way. I think that gets ironed out. I think Larry is open to a paycut as well. I see good faith on both sides on that one. Big believer in getting a good QB in these hence the early pick on Brees. Was considering P.Manning there, but his up and down end of the season scared me off. E.Manning picked it up once ODB exploded. Loving that connection. Overall I'm carrying a fair amount of risk (uncertian wr contracts, rookie RB) and a fair amount of safe picks (QB's, Bell, Boldin) that I'm right in line with where I comfortable.
2.15 Fullback Fro - Drew Brees QB3 NO
3.02 Fullback Fro - Jeremey Maclin WR16 PHI
4.15 Fullback Fro - Melvin Gordon RB21 ROOK
5.02 Fullback Fro - Anquan Boldin WR32 SF
6.15 Fullback Fro - Eli Manning QB14 NYG
7.02 Fullback Fro - Larry Fitzgerald WR40 ARZ
There are still some things that need to fall into place with my WR's contracts but its nothing I think that are huge obstacles. The Eagles need Maclin and he came through last year in a big way. I think that gets ironed out. I think Larry is open to a paycut as well. I see good faith on both sides on that one. Big believer in getting a good QB in these hence the early pick on Brees. Was considering P.Manning there, but his up and down end of the season scared me off. E.Manning picked it up once ODB exploded. Loving that connection. Overall I'm carrying a fair amount of risk (uncertian wr contracts, rookie RB) and a fair amount of safe picks (QB's, Bell, Boldin) that I'm right in line with where I comfortable.
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FF Wiseguy
Footballguy
Nick Foles
Matt Forte
CJ Anderson
Jordan Matthews
Mike Wallace
Andre Johnson
Antonio Gates
Felt great about my first two picks, then went downhill from there. I missed two opportunities to get in early on position runs, and it resulted in some big reaches in Nick Foles and Jordan Matthews (although I could have had Watkins instead of Matthews, which will haunt me all season).
Matt Forte
CJ Anderson
Jordan Matthews
Mike Wallace
Andre Johnson
Antonio Gates
Felt great about my first two picks, then went downhill from there. I missed two opportunities to get in early on position runs, and it resulted in some big reaches in Nick Foles and Jordan Matthews (although I could have had Watkins instead of Matthews, which will haunt me all season).
The way the market receives Maclin is going to be very interesting indeed... Guessing PHI draws a line in the sand and sees if anyone will overpay him. I'd say 50% he's back in PHI, but not higher. Fitz I think will stay and could be a nice pick. Interesting to see the old men WRs fall in 6th/7th even in a 16 teamer. Wide range of outcomes for Gordon, all comes down to destination... high weekly QB scores and Bell could keep you afloat either wayFullback Fro said:
Mr. Irrelevant
IBL Representative
I have no problems with a high-risk, high-reward approach to these drafts. A team that's good enough to consistently finish 8th or 9th place every week usually winds up getting you booted out in ... 8th or 9th place.
Personally I love the Foles / Matthews stack as I agree with Bloom ... there's a good chance Kelly won't want to pony up top-10 WR money for Maclin and I don't see #18 giving my Birds any sort of hometown discount ... he doubled down on himself and came up 21; good for him, he's gonna get paid somewhere. And I'd much, much rather have a potential #1 WR on a Chip Kelly offense than the #1 WR on a Rex Ryan-coached sinking ship of a Buffalo offense.
IMO with this squad you're more likely to get booted in September than the average team but also more likely to make it into December. Nothing wrong with that.
FUBAR
Footballguy
not at all. as a guy who made it to the last handful of teams in a few of these last year but didn't win any, I'd almost rather get booted early than mid-season.
FUBAR
Footballguy
Tony Romo
Jay Cutler
Eddie Lacy
Alfred Morris
DeAndre Hopkins
Torrey Smith
Davante Adams
Travis Kelce
Took a bit of a risk with Davante Adams in the 8th. If Cobb stays in Green Bay, he's an okay upside guy. If Cobb leaves, Adams becomes a strong #3. Considered another and hoping that he'd fall to the 9th but saw Tex drafted Cobb in the 2nd and presume he'd be likely to take Adams here (I know I would). In hindsight, I'd redo the Hopkins pick and take Cobb with Adams on the team now.
Jay Cutler
Eddie Lacy
Alfred Morris
DeAndre Hopkins
Torrey Smith
Davante Adams
Travis Kelce
Took a bit of a risk with Davante Adams in the 8th. If Cobb stays in Green Bay, he's an okay upside guy. If Cobb leaves, Adams becomes a strong #3. Considered another and hoping that he'd fall to the 9th but saw Tex drafted Cobb in the 2nd and presume he'd be likely to take Adams here (I know I would). In hindsight, I'd redo the Hopkins pick and take Cobb with Adams on the team now.
tex
Footballguy
1.04 Tex - Demarco Murray
2.13 Tex - Randall Cobb
3.04 Tex - Greg Olsen
4.13 Tex - Martavis Bryant
5.04 Tex - Ahmad Bradshaw
6.13 Tex - Ryan Tannehill
7.04 Tex - Andy Dalton
8.13 Tex - Pierre Garcon
9.04 Tex - Fred Jackson
10.13 Tex - Jermaine Gresham
11.04 Tex - Cecil Shorts
12.13 Tex - Phillip Dorsett
13.04 Tex - Chris Matthews
14.13 Tex - Green Bay D/ST
15.04 Tex - Indianapolis D/ST
16.13 Tex - Chandler Catanzaro
17.04 Tex - Alfred Blue
18.13 Tex - Luke Wilson
Garcon had a down year this season but was #11 WR in 2013. I expect a comeback year from him in '15. Good value here IMO. And Freddy, the old man, isn't going away--especially as much as Rex likes to run the ball.
2.13 Tex - Randall Cobb
3.04 Tex - Greg Olsen
4.13 Tex - Martavis Bryant
5.04 Tex - Ahmad Bradshaw
6.13 Tex - Ryan Tannehill
7.04 Tex - Andy Dalton
8.13 Tex - Pierre Garcon
9.04 Tex - Fred Jackson
10.13 Tex - Jermaine Gresham
11.04 Tex - Cecil Shorts
12.13 Tex - Phillip Dorsett
13.04 Tex - Chris Matthews
14.13 Tex - Green Bay D/ST
15.04 Tex - Indianapolis D/ST
16.13 Tex - Chandler Catanzaro
17.04 Tex - Alfred Blue
18.13 Tex - Luke Wilson
Garcon had a down year this season but was #11 WR in 2013. I expect a comeback year from him in '15. Good value here IMO. And Freddy, the old man, isn't going away--especially as much as Rex likes to run the ball.
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Reaper
Footballguy
Just a coincidence he just got picked but, My wife tore her ACL and has been talking to some of the doctors that have dealt with Victor Cruz.... I'm sure Brammel can clarify and probably has but, I wasn't aware that his injury is MUCH more intense than your standard ACL repair -> come back in 6 months deal....
Doctor told my wife he probably won't be the same.
For whatever that's worth....
But, Cruz/ODB combo is one reason i really wanted Eli....
ahhh yes... http://subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/article.php?article=14bramel_monday_rounds_7
A Patella tear..... Though it will be closer to 11 months to start of season
Doctor told my wife he probably won't be the same.
For whatever that's worth....
But, Cruz/ODB combo is one reason i really wanted Eli....
ahhh yes... http://subscribers.footballguys.com/apps/article.php?article=14bramel_monday_rounds_7
A Patella tear..... Though it will be closer to 11 months to start of season
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FUBAR
Footballguy
Reaper
Footballguy
HellToupee
Footballguy
28 inches of snow here
FUBAR
Footballguy
Tony Romo
Jay Cutler
Eddie Lacy
Alfred Morris
Andre Williams
Frank Gore
DeAndre Hopkins
Torrey Smith
Davante Adams
Travis Kelce
A little heavier on RBs than I planned, but I like this quartet quite a bit. Gore will be 32 but he hasn't lost a step yet. Hyde is coming on for sure but he isn't the starter yet. If Gore does move on, he'll play quite a bit still and one team he's rumored to go to is Washington - which wouldn't be horrible to have the 1/2 there but it would bring Alf's value down a tad.
Jay Cutler
Eddie Lacy
Alfred Morris
Andre Williams
Frank Gore
DeAndre Hopkins
Torrey Smith
Davante Adams
Travis Kelce
A little heavier on RBs than I planned, but I like this quartet quite a bit. Gore will be 32 but he hasn't lost a step yet. Hyde is coming on for sure but he isn't the starter yet. If Gore does move on, he'll play quite a bit still and one team he's rumored to go to is Washington - which wouldn't be horrible to have the 1/2 there but it would bring Alf's value down a tad.
Mr. Irrelevant
IBL Representative
I wasn't a huge fan of your start (thought Kelce was an unnecessary reach and couldn't believe you passed on Cobb for Hopkins) but you've been hitting it out of the park in the mid-rounds. AlMo deserved to go at least a round earlier than you got him, Torrey and Davante are really solid plays in a best-ball format, and the Romo/Cutler QBBC has top-5 potential. If you can hit on a couple of diamonds in the rough at WR4/5/6 this could be a serious contender.
FUBAR
Footballguy
Thanks.
- Kelce: I obviously could be wrong but I suspect he's about to break out big. He certainly has the potential.
- Hopkins/Cobb: was expecting to go with Cobb but the more I looked into it, the safer Hopkins seems to be. I have Cobb elsewhere and hope for the best but the free agency deal is a risk.
- agreed that the team is lacking depth at WR right now but I figure I don't need to take another RB or QB, so the next 10 rounds can include maybe up to 5 WRs and 7 or 8 total should be more than enough with some upside picks.
Mr. Irrelevant
IBL Representative
I'm trying to figure out how much money you could have won from me if you had bet me twelve months ago that Vernon Davis would be healthy, wouldn't have retired, and would still be the 25th TE off the board in the 2015 WSLs.
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FUBAR
Footballguy
krsone21
Footballguy
Davis had a horrible 2014 season no doubt, but just the year before in 2013 he was a top 5 TE. I doubt he will be a top 5 TE this season, however if he can get somewhere around the top 12+ then he could end up being a real good pick-up here in the 11th round. With a new coaching staff who knows maybe he will get back on track. Well worth the shot in the 11th round.
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