You are more likely to suit up at RB for the Texans than for them to deal for Melvin Gordon IMOHouston worked out CJA yesterday. So they are interested in a RB. Any chance they are looking to trade for Gordon....or just a coincidence the timing of his news and the Texans working out RBs?
I would argue that if Barkley had been in the charger offense instead of the Giants offense he would have been better than "rb2".Lol. You've made your opinion very clear that you think ekeler is some how better then Gordon. Last time I checked when you are the rb2 in fantasy your stats in real life are pretty good.
They've traded for two RBs already this season - I can't see them trading for a third RB.Houston worked out CJA yesterday. So they are interested in a RB. Any chance they are looking to trade for Gordon....or just a coincidence the timing of his news and the Texans working out RBs?
Before Gordon got hurt last year, he was averaging 20.6 touches (15.9 rushes, 3.7 receptions). Ekeler was averaging 8.8 touches (6.6 carries, 2.2 receptions). So they gave them around 29 touches a game before MG was injured.Fair point, and well played. My objection is to referencing fantasy stats and attempting to correlate that to team decision-making on player usage.
Ekeler is one of the best playmakers the Chargers have on their roster. That is shown by his stats, his PFF grade, the eye test, and whatever else you want to use. The Chargers are not in position to stop using him. I assume his rushing attempts (more than 12 per game) will drop as Gordon is reinserted, but they shouldn't drop to zero, and his usage in the passing game shouldn't drop at all, since he is clearly better in that phase than Gordon.
How many draft picks do they have left to mortgage their future? All for the right to pay Gordon more than he's worth. This year they are already paying Miller/Johnson/Hyde veteran contracts (7.7+2.2+1.9= $11.8mil) and now they are going to give Gordon the money that he wants?Houston worked out CJA yesterday. So they are interested in a RB. Any chance they are looking to trade for Gordon....or just a coincidence the timing of his news and the Texans working out RBs?
Thanks for this. I didn't realize Hyde had been traded. Thought he was cut from KC and then signed.They've traded for two RBs already this season - I can't see them trading for a third RB.
I read it as Gordon put up decent fantasy numbers with a bell cow workload while Ekeler has been more efficient and did as good or better than Gordon did with fewer touches. I'm not sure what the split will be and whether the Chargers will want to run Gordon into the ground or not. Similarly, I am not sure Gordon will be thrilled to return without a new contract, lots of fines, and losing a bunch of weekly paychecks to 25-30 touches a game. But your 60/30 split sounds reasonable to me.My head hurts reading this thread.
It also reads as many Gordon owners trying to remind people that Gordon operates at a high level in FF in this offense.
Chargers aren’t going to trade him. He’s dirt cheap depth.What do the Texans have to give for Justin Jackson??? Free him!
Why is this comical? For a while last year he was the 2nd highest scoring RB in fantasy football. I assume that's what he was referring to since this is a fantasy football message board In real life yeah there are 6-10 RB's out there better than him.I would argue that if Barkley had been in the charger offense instead of the Giants offense he would have been better than "rb2".
What scoring system are you using and who finished behind him? There are at least half a dozen RB's out there better than Gordon if not more than a dozen. It's frankly kind of comical that anyone would even try to make the argument that Gordon has ever been rb2 at any point in his entire career.
A few things are different now, though:Before Gordon got hurt last year, he was averaging 20.6 touches (15.9 rushes, 3.7 receptions). Ekeler was averaging 8.8 touches (6.6 carries, 2.2 receptions). So they gave them around 29 touches a game before MG was injured.
You're probably right that Ekeler gets a bigger slice of that pie than last season, but I also think they probably don't want to keep giving him 20 touches a game considering his build.
I've noticed most reporters now on twitter or doing a report do this intentionally. Since most of the guys throw #### up on a wall hoping something sticks. Zero accountability anymore for being wrong. Not saying that's what Scheftar did here or accusing him of anything as he's one of the few sports media wise that usually has his #### in orderagree, but the comment is purposely vague to allow for a gordon return at any point over the next few weeks
That was also a completely different CBA unless they kept the language similar or re worked it for a better understanding nowNo one knows for sure. The Galloway decision ruled that 8 games was enough (as applicable to Galloway) but some language in it seemed to indicate that one game would be enough. To be safe he'd have to be available for 8 games.
I think he and Ekeler will be in a true RBBC, 65/35 split. Reducing both to RB2. No way either are RB1 with any kind of real split.RB 1 in the fifth
A 65 with all goal line touches can easily be an rb1. You are right about ekeler though. Flex at bestI think he and Ekeler will be in a true RBBC, 65/35 split. Reducing both to RB2. No way either are RB1 with any kind of real split.
You may be right. It'll be interesting to see what kind of shape he's in, and if it takes a couple of weeks to get up to 15-18 carries.A 65 with all goal line touches can easily be an rb1. You are right about ekeler though. Flex at best
I kept him as my 4th keeper in my league. I let go Ekler only to draft him back 3 rounds laterShoutout to @Maurile Tremblay
I bought low on him in 2 redraft leagues last week thanks to your posts.
Yeah, if I am Chargers management I run Gordon into the ground this year and then sign Ekeler for a fraction of the absurd amount Gordon was asking for.This is what makes me sad. What makes me sad is seeing the Ekeler owners twist and contort their bodies and narratives to fit a scenario where Ekeler is still the lead back. I dont care how rusty Gordon is. He is and will always be the superior option to Ekeler. I don't care how he has performed. HE is not coming back to play second fiddle to the backup. Contrary to reports, HE HAS been in touch with ownership and coaching and knows exactly what he is walking into. That is all.
This is the cold hard facts ekeler owners like just win won't accept.Is it still possible that Gordon gets traded? Gordon coming back, indicates that he is willing to play this season without a new contract. That could motivate a team to deal for him, without having to instantly commit a long term deal to him. They could still hammer out a long term deal, but it wouldn't need to be in place before a trade. Just a thought.
This guy was right.https://twitter.com/bransonwright/status/1176709340608323584?s=21
No idea if this is true or who this twitter reporter is. But he at least seems to not be a fake account.
Says melvin will report Thursday.
Just sharing info. Not sure necessarily believe it.
I own Ekeler in a dynasty where he’s saved me so far, but I don’t think he’ll be the lead back (maybe for the next two weeks) but he’ll still have decent value as a RB3 type since he’ll be used heavy in passing game.This is what makes me sad. What makes me sad is seeing the Ekeler owners twist and contort their bodies and narratives to fit a scenario where Ekeler is still the lead back. I dont care how rusty Gordon is. He is and will always be the superior option to Ekeler. I don't care how he has performed. HE is not coming back to play second fiddle to the backup. Contrary to reports, HE HAS been in touch with ownership and coaching and knows exactly what he is walking into. That is all.
That’s interesting but I don’t think it will happen. The Chargers still must think they can compete and Gordon with Ekeler makes them better than just Ekeler obviously and they’re only paying him what they were willing to pay him all along.Is it still possible that Gordon gets traded? Gordon coming back, indicates that he is willing to play this season without a new contract. That could motivate a team to deal for him, without having to instantly commit a long term deal to him. They could still hammer out a long term deal, but it wouldn't need to be in place before a trade. Just a thought.
Good to hear, since I'm facing the team I traded him to this week.https://twitter.com/RapSheet/status/1176992517222539264
Sources: The holdout is ending. #Chargers RB Melvin Gordon is, in fact, reporting to the team tomorrow. He won’t play this week, but he is planning to be back in the fold with his teammates.
The cold hard facts Ekeler owners like me won't accept is that Gordon could still get traded?This is the cold hard facts ekeler owners like just win won't accept.Is it still possible that Gordon gets traded? Gordon coming back, indicates that he is willing to play this season without a new contract. That could motivate a team to deal for him, without having to instantly commit a long term deal to him. They could still hammer out a long term deal, but it wouldn't need to be in place before a trade. Just a thought.
Quoted the wrong one but I'm sure you can figure out which I meant.The cold hard facts Ekeler owners like me won't accept is that Gordon could still get traded?
I think there is a lot of merit to your POV. Not sure how it unfolds but I have felt like if LAC could get a solid 2nd Rd pick in a trade they would jump vs letting him walk at the end of the season. That still might be too high for some teams.Is it still possible that Gordon gets traded? Gordon coming back, indicates that he is willing to play this season without a new contract. That could motivate a team to deal for him, without having to instantly commit a long term deal to him. They could still hammer out a long term deal, but it wouldn't need to be in place before a trade. Just a thought.
It was always a given Gordon was going to report, the only question was when. So it was always a given that when he reported, it would reduce Ekeler's value. I'm not sure if you think you are onto a hot take here or what.Hint: bad news for ekeler value
Assuming Gordon is at least 60% of the touches...I'd have him ranked in the Top 10, ahead of Marlon Mack for sure.Where do you all fit him into this ROS ranking (Fantasy Pros)? I removed where they have him as I'm not sure who reranked him after the news.
FWIW I'd have him around 16
7 Derrick Henry TEN
8 Le'Veon Bell NYJ
9 Marlon Mack IND
10 Mark Ingram BAL
11 Aaron Jones GB
12 James Conner PIT
13 Joe Mixon CIN
14 Chris Carson SEA
15 Todd Gurley LAR
16 Leonard Fournette JAC
17 Sony Michel NE
18 Kerryon Johnson DET
19 Josh Jacobs OAK
20 Austin Ekeler LAC
21 Devonta Freeman ATL
22 David Montgomery CHI
23 Saquon Barkley NYG O
24 Phillip Lindsay DEN
25 LeSean McCoy KC
26 Damien Williams KC
Yeah, if anything the past 3 weeks have been a huge boost to Ekeler’s value for dynasty purposes, and IMO that doesn’t change at all with this news.It was always a given Gordon was going to report, the only question was when. So it was always a given that when he reported, it would reduce Ekeler's value. I'm not sure if you think you onto a hot take here or what.
Oh yeah, this is pretty much a best case scenario for the Chargers, I'm just trying to see it from Gordon's point of view.That’s interesting but I don’t think it will happen. The Chargers still must think they can compete and Gordon with Ekeler makes them better than just Ekeler obviously and they’re only paying him what they were willing to pay him all along.
Do you think that matters? I mean, I think KC is off limits, because they are a division team, and they play them twice, but they already played Houston, and have a very slim chance of doing so again. I hate to bring them up, but what about New England? Michel has looked awful, and Gordon has the versatility that they love.I think there is a lot of merit to your POV. Not sure how it unfolds but I have felt like if LAC could get a solid 2nd Rd pick in a trade they would jump vs letting him walk at the end of the season. That still might be too high for some teams.
KC could us a Mel Gordon but they are in division, not happening. Houston is a rival in the playoffs, they almost would hav to trade him into the NFC...Skins are a mess, Bucs would be a great landing spot for him, wish the two teams could find a way, in fact any of the 3 RBs LAC has...Jackson would be a massive upgrade.
Seattle would be a real playoff team if they had an Alpha behind Wilson.
Am assuming that the above is non-PPR given Henry at RB7 and Mack at RB9. In that format I'd rank him RB11-13. For PPR, slightly higher: RB8-11.Where do you all fit him into this ROS ranking (Fantasy Pros)? I removed where they have him as I'm not sure who reranked him after the news.
FWIW I'd have him around 16
7 Derrick Henry TEN
8 Le'Veon Bell NYJ
9 Marlon Mack IND
10 Mark Ingram BAL
11 Aaron Jones GB
12 James Conner PIT
13 Joe Mixon CIN
14 Chris Carson SEA
15 Todd Gurley LAR
16 Leonard Fournette JAC
17 Sony Michel NE
18 Kerryon Johnson DET
19 Josh Jacobs OAK
20 Austin Ekeler LAC
21 Devonta Freeman ATL
22 David Montgomery CHI
23 Saquon Barkley NYG O
24 Phillip Lindsay DEN
25 LeSean McCoy KC
26 Damien Williams KC
Well based on these stats Ekeler owners have nothing to worry about. Gordon is clearly an inferior back.[icon] said:@scottbarrettdfb
In 2018, Austin Ekeler ranked:
- 6th of 61 RBs in PFF Grade (83.6)
- 7th of 56 RBs in Elusive Rating (67.6)
- 6th of 56 RBs in Yards per Carry (5.23)
- 7th of 31 RBs in Yards per Target (7.62)
... and was better than Melvin Gordon in each stat.
In 2019, Austin Ekeler ranks,
- 8th of 60 RBs in PFF Grade (78.1)
- 8th of 50 RBs in Elusive Rating (92.6)
- 2nd of 50 RBs in 1st Contact Tackle% (53%)
- 1st of 31 RBs in YPT (10.4)
- 1st among all RBs in fantasy points per game (26.6)
Gordon seasons with >4YPC : 1