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***Official Melvin "Flash" Gordon*** Thread of Love

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1 minute ago, Cobbler1 said:

Russell Okung rumored to be back soon, possibly as early as this week. How happy should we be?

Very, if it's true.

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41 minutes ago, Cobbler1 said:

Russell Okung rumored to be back soon, possibly as early as this week. How happy should we be?

He may be back to football this week, but that means back to practice. He hasn't practiced since early June. I expect he will need at least 2-3 weeks before seeing the field in a game, though I would love to be wrong about that. His absence has been the biggest negative impact on the offense by far this season.

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Are those with Gordon still trying to acquire Ekeler? The Cook owner just offered him to be for Mattison. He also has C-Mac though, so I feel like giving him Mattison is a lose-lose. 

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9 minutes ago, icehouse said:

Are those with Gordon still trying to acquire Ekeler? The Cook owner just offered him to be for Mattison. He also has C-Mac though, so I feel like giving him Mattison is a lose-lose. 

I have Gordon and Mattison.  I wouldn't make that trade.  

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38 minutes ago, icehouse said:

Are those with Gordon still trying to acquire Ekeler? The Cook owner just offered him to be for Mattison. He also has C-Mac though, so I feel like giving him Mattison is a lose-lose. 

As a former Gordon owner, I do recommend handcuffing him with AK. Gordon does have a history of missing games (due to injuries). Even with that offensive lineman returning eventually, it won’t get that much better which means Gordon is going to continue to get beat up. Work hard for some yardage. Mattison is a ‘golden ticket’ if Cooks goes down, so I get it, but what if Gordon goes down for you before Cook? What if Cook plays a full season? What’s your plan B? Heck, what if Gordon keeps on playing bad, will AK get more playing time, the team goes back to what worked earlier this season? Gordon has a lot of risk to his name this year, and I do think that trade is fair, but it’s up to you. It’s your team, not mine.

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On 10/15/2019 at 9:14 PM, Just Win Baby said:

Pouncey is out for the season. Okung's status is not known. In theory, he could return after week 7, but he is out due to a pulmonary embolism. That likely means he is on blood thinners, which makes it likely he will not play at all this season.

The Chargers probably have the worst OL in the NFL at this point.

It was an immediate partial upchuck 🤮 when I heard Pouncey was lost for the season, terrible for run blocking in the "A" gaps no matter which RB you might own. 

I'll give you this, of the team actually trying to compete and Miami isn't one of them, Bolts might be pretty bad. I'm saying Miami is far worse however they aren't trying to really win, last I checked the Chargers thought they were a playoff team and most NFL fans. 

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i feel like he is killing the whole offense.  Is it just me?

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10 minutes ago, Rove! said:

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i feel like he is killing the whole offense.  Is it just me?

No chunk plays, like Ekler has provided the offense? Also, Denver and Pitt have played good defense.

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1 hour ago, kodycutter said:

No Okung and no Pouncey are killing this O.

Definitely mostly this. Rivers is getting no time. Taking hits, having to throw off his back foot.

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2 hours ago, SoBeDad said:

No chunk plays, like Ekler has provided the offense? Also, Denver and Pitt have played good defense.

Ekler provides chunk plays like that 41 yard catch.

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2 hours ago, Rove! said:

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i feel like he is killing the whole offense.  Is it just me?

No, it's not just you. Anyone with a clue sees this. Unfortunately, the Chargers coaching staff doesn't have a clue.

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I can't wait to hear the, "$10mil/season is an INSULT" crew chime in this week. It was comical awhile ago. Now it's just sad listening to them spin and re-spin this. If only the chargers had Gordon playing all season they would be in the playoff hunt!

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1 minute ago, BoltBacker said:

I can't wait to hear the, "$10mil/season is an INSULT" crew chime in this week. It was comical awhile ago. Now it's just sad listening to them spin and re-spin this. If only the chargers had Gordon playing all season they would be in the playoff hunt!

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5 minutes ago, Just Win Baby said:

No, it's not just you. Anyone with a clue sees this. Unfortunately, the Chargers coaching staff doesn't have a clue.

Yeah at this point it's clear Ekeler is more productive. Didn't Ekeler get their last 30 yards before getting to the 1? Why turn away from him there? Smh....

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Just now, ShamrockPride said:

Yeah at this point it's clear Ekeler is more productive. Didn't Ekeler get their last 30 yards before getting to the 1? Why turn away from him there? Smh....

He only had 5 carries for 7 yards today.  That OL is terrible.  Ekeler is just lucky to be the primary receiving RB right now.

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Would a team even trade a 2nd for Gordon right now?

He looks slow and unable to react or find some space. OL is not helping but he isn't making people miss either. 

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3 minutes ago, Rove! said:

10 million... :lmao:  

To fumble twice from the one, and not even on fourth like Ekeler did :lmao:

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3 minutes ago, rockaction said:

To fumble twice from the one, and not even on fourth like Ekeler did :lmao:

A kick in the nutz, twice.   I shall call that a Melvin from now on.

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Melvin Gordon rushed 16 times for 32 yards with a game-losing fumble in the Chargers' Week 7 loss to the Titans.

In epic Chargers fashion, Philip Rivers was setting up a comeback try with minutes remaining. Austin Ekeler, who severely outplayed Gordon again, got the Bolts to the goal-line, but Gordon ran into brick walls before fumbling the game away with seven seconds remaining. Brutal. Gordon didn't have much speed or agility today, but he at least walked away with a goal-line reception to partially save his fantasy stat line. The Chargers seem stubborn enough to keep using Gordon as the primary runner -- he had 16 carries to Ekeler's five -- so he'll be in the low-end RB2 mix next week in Chicago.

Oct 20, 2019, 7:15 PM ET

 

 

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He actually fumbled thrice from the goal line today, only one wasn't counted.

This holdout really worked. Apologists are silly. 

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Looks like Flash shoulda taken the multi year 10-11 million a year deal Chargers offered.  Probably won`t come close to that next year. Flash is playing for 5 this year so he already is 5-6 million in arrears that now will never make up.

Some of these players get some bad advice..

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On 10/15/2019 at 9:14 PM, Just Win Baby said:

Pouncey is out for the season. Okung's status is not known. In theory, he could return after week 7, but he is out due to a pulmonary embolism. That likely means he is on blood thinners, which makes it likely he will not play at all this season.

The Chargers probably have the worst OL in the NFL at this point.

The Bengals OL would like a word with you.  Lots of them.

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2 hours ago, Hankmoody said:

The Bengals OL would like a word with you.  Lots of them.

I will see that Bengals OL and raise you the Miami Dolphins OL.

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3 hours ago, Ministry of Pain said:

Would a team even trade a 2nd for Gordon right now?

He looks slow and unable to react or find some space. OL is not helping but he isn't making people miss either. 

I couldn't see trading a 4 for him. He looks like he's running through quicksand with a piano on his back. Forget Ekeler, I'm not sure he's better than Jackson, when he comes back, hell even Pope looked better than this. We know Zeke spent his holdout training, Gordon looks like he spent his loafing.

He was the worst player on the field today. Every snap he played put the Chargers at a disadvantage. No surprise they almost came back and won when Ekeler played in the hurry up, and wilted when Gordon came back in. 

Chargers should honestly make him the backup, and just play uptempo all the time. Does it make the team unbalanced? Yes. Does that matter? No, not when its the only thing you can do successfully.

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9 hours ago, travdogg said:

I couldn't see trading a 4 for him. He looks like he's running through quicksand with a piano on his back. Forget Ekeler, I'm not sure he's better than Jackson, when he comes back, hell even Pope looked better than this. We know Zeke spent his holdout training, Gordon looks like he spent his loafing.

He was the worst player on the field today. Every snap he played put the Chargers at a disadvantage. No surprise they almost came back and won when Ekeler played in the hurry up, and wilted when Gordon came back in. 

Chargers should honestly make him the backup, and just play uptempo all the time. Does it make the team unbalanced? Yes. Does that matter? No, not when its the only thing you can do successfully.

Lol.

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if your glass is half full.... he was half a yard away from a pretty good fantasy day. 8 pt swing on that last play. he's not getting traded because the comp pick they get will be better than anything a team will offer for this year.

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55 minutes ago, iamkoza said:

if your glass is half full.... he was half a yard away from a pretty good fantasy day. 8 pt swing on that last play. he's not getting traded because the comp pick they get will be better than anything a team will offer for this year.

If your glass is half empty, I could have scored the TD he got, it required zero skill, and isn't a sign of anything to come. He had no burst, no ball security, and offered little as a receiver beyond 1 play where  the defense didn't even bother covering him. 

Will the comp pick be higher? There is this assumption that Gordon is gonna get paid this offseason, and he probably had a much better chance of that had he not come back at all. I can't see giving him more than 4 million a year. That isn't getting a very high comp pick. maybe a late 5th rounder, and even then its in 2021, 

If the Chargers could get a 4 or a 5 right now, it'd be worth it. Gordon being gone improves the offense, a pick is just a nice bonus. 

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11 hours ago, Todem said:

I will see that Bengals OL and raise you the Miami Dolphins OL.

Call.  Nice 4 aces you got there, but I pulled straight flush.

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12 hours ago, travdogg said:

I couldn't see trading a 4 for him. He looks like he's running through quicksand with a piano on his back. Forget Ekeler, I'm not sure he's better than Jackson, when he comes back, hell even Pope looked better than this. We know Zeke spent his holdout training, Gordon looks like he spent his loafing.

He was the worst player on the field today. Every snap he played put the Chargers at a disadvantage. No surprise they almost came back and won when Ekeler played in the hurry up, and wilted when Gordon came back in. 

Chargers should honestly make him the backup, and just play uptempo all the time. Does it make the team unbalanced? Yes. Does that matter? No, not when its the only thing you can do successfully.

Pope had the majority of his carries against the worst fantasy defense vs RBs this year.  How do people ignore stuff like that?

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1 hour ago, tjnc09 said:

Pope had the majority of his carries against the worst fantasy defense vs RBs this year.  How do people ignore stuff like that?

You completely missed the point of @travdogg's post and zeroed in on a throwaway comment. Nicely done.

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2 hours ago, Hankmoody said:
13 hours ago, Todem said:

I will see that Bengals OL and raise you the Miami Dolphins OL.

Call.  Nice 4 aces you got there, but I pulled straight flush.

Miami is definitely worse than Cincy. I agree both are worse than the Chargers for now, but not by much.

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Evan Silva✔@evansilva

Since Melvin Gordon returned, 27 of his 36 carries have gained 3 yds or fewer (75%) with 2 fumbles

11 of his 14 targets have gained 3 yds or fewer (79%)

All told, plays intended for Gordon are averaging 2.3 yds

4 have gained 1st downs (8%)

#Chargers 0-3 since Gordon’s return

8:07 AM - Oct 21, 2019

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11 minutes ago, Just Win Baby said:

Evan Silva✔@evansilva

Since Melvin Gordon returned, 27 of his 36 carries have gained 3 yds or fewer (75%) with 2 fumbles

11 of his 14 targets have gained 3 yds or fewer (79%)

All told, plays intended for Gordon are averaging 2.3 yds

4 have gained 1st downs (8%)

#Chargers 0-3 since Gordon’s return

8:07 AM - Oct 21, 2019

gee its almost like hes a pissed off employee......and their idiot coach keeps trotting him out there

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1 hour ago, Just Win Baby said:

You completely missed the point of @travdogg's post and zeroed in on a throwaway comment. Nicely done.

I didn't bother reading anything after that.  Bringing up a RB comparison who has an one game sample against a terrible defense is pointless.

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30 minutes ago, tjnc09 said:

I didn't bother reading anything after that.  Bringing up a RB comparison who has an one game sample against a terrible defense is pointless.

Your approach to reading comprehension explains a lot.

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RB A plays against the 1985 Bears

RB B plays against the 2019 Dolphins

JWB thinks it's valuable to say RB B is better than RB A :lmao:

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16 minutes ago, tjnc09 said:

RB A plays against the 1985 Bears

RB B plays against the 2019 Dolphins

JWB thinks it's valuable to say RB B is better than RB A :lmao:

Who cares about Pope? That doesn't take away from the main point that Gordon is trash right now. Have you watched him run??? The stats bare that out.

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I also like the comparison to Elliot who runs behind a top 5 OL.  There's obviously no difference between the success of a RB running behind one of the best OL in the league and quite possibly the worst.  

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12 minutes ago, MindBomb said:

Who cares about Pope? That doesn't take away from the main point that Gordon is trash right now. Have you watched him run??? The stats bare that out.

Yes.  Ekeler also has stunk with 13 rushes for 28 yards in their last three games.  The OL is not generating any holes for their RBs to run.  

 

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26 minutes ago, tjnc09 said:

RB A plays against the 1985 Bears

RB B plays against the 2019 Dolphins

JWB thinks it's valuable to say RB B is better than RB A :lmao:

RB A = 115 total yards / 103 snaps = 1.1 yd/snap   |    115 total yds / 45 touches = 2.6 yd / touch    |     1 TD    |  1 fumble lost

RB B = 246 total yards / 112 snaps = 2.3 yd/snap   |   246 total yds / 38 touches = 6.5 yd / touch     |      1 TD   |  1 fumble lost

The principles of mathematics proves RB B is better than RB A by a factor of approximately 2x.  :lmao:

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3 hours ago, tjnc09 said:

RB A plays against the 1985 Bears

RB B plays against the 2019 Dolphins

JWB thinks it's valuable to say RB B is better than RB A :lmao:

I said no such thing. I simply pointed out that the Pope reference in @travdogg's post was not the point of the post, yet that is what you zeroed in on and continue to harp on several posts later.

Beyond that, I can tell you that Pope looked better in training camp and preseason than Gordon has looked at any point since he ended his holdout. So did Newsome, who is on the practice squad. That's what Gordon is right now -- a practice squad level player.

But instead of discussing Gordon, why don't you make some more strawman posts, since that is what you seem to be best at.

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19 minutes ago, Just Win Baby said:

I said no such thing. I simply pointed out that the Pope reference in @travdogg's post was not the point of the post, yet that is what you zeroed in on and continue to harp on several posts later.

Beyond that, I can tell you that Pope looked better in training camp and preseason than Gordon has looked at any point since he ended his holdout. So did Newsome, who is on the practice squad. That's what Gordon is right now -- a practice squad level player.

But instead of discussing Gordon, why don't you make some more strawman posts, since that is what you seem to be best at.

WOW it's amazing that a player looked better in preseason and training camp against scrubs and nobodies compared to a player running behind one of the worst OL in the league against starting DL :lmao:

 

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5 hours ago, PhantomJB said:

RB A = 115 total yards / 103 snaps = 1.1 yd/snap   |    115 total yds / 45 touches = 2.6 yd / touch    |     1 TD    |  1 fumble lost

RB B = 246 total yards / 112 snaps = 2.3 yd/snap   |   246 total yds / 38 touches = 6.5 yd / touch     |      1 TD   |  1 fumble lost

The principles of mathematics proves RB B is better than RB A by a factor of approximately 2x.  :lmao:

Lmao. Do the same per rush now.

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