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Official Ameer Abdullah - The Bandwagon (2 Viewers)
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RBM
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Rhythmdoctor
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cmv5
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My point is it isn't about some magic legs. Some guys are more prone to injury. Yes, sometimes due to an upright running style, or somebody that looks for contact. If somebody is built like Todd Pinkston then obviously that is a red flag. But ultimately, you need to watch them play and make your own judgements.
I wouldn't look at Ray Rice as a negative example. He lasted through enough seasons to not blame his body size. It is more about distribution of touches over a season. That can affect anybody.
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Yeah, I just read that he fumbled once every 35 touches in college. This was the highest rate of the rookie class. Hope it's not an issue for him.
Rhythmdoctor
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RenegadeRoy
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See the attached reply from up-thread. It was one year that skewed his fumbles, and he improved every year in college.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Aren't they always a RBBC? Last year Ingram got 51% of the RB touches. Sure he was hurt, but he only missed 3 games. Thomas and Robinson combined missed 11 games. Ingram's touches were inflated by the injuries to those guys. Particularly because in the middle of the year, Thomas and Robinson had overlapping injuries where they both were out. There were 5 weeks that Ingram got 20+ touches (25,31,30, 30, 25). Those 5 games make-up 55% of his touches for the year despite only representing 38% of his season. 4 of those 5 games also came during that period when Thomas and Robinson were out.
Week 1: Ingram 14 touches, Thomas 13 touches, Robinson 6 touches
Week 2: Ingram 14 touches, Robinson 8 touches, Thomas 6 touches
Week 3: Ingram 12 touches, Thomas 10 touches, Robinson 3 touches
Week 8: Robinson and Thomas were out, Ingram 25 touches
Week 9: Robinson and Thomas were out, Ingram 31 touches
Week 10: Robinson and Thomas were out, Ingram 30 touches
Week 11: Robinson and Thomas were out, Ingram 30 touches
Week 12: Robinson was out, Ingram 13 touches, Thomas 11 touches
Week 13: Robinson was out, Ingram 25 touches, Thomas 5 touches
Week 14: Robinson was out, Ingram 15 touches, Thomas 9 touches
Week 15: Ingram 17 touches, Thomas 7 touches, Robinson 5 touches
Week 16: Thomas was hurt and left the game in Q2, Ingram 16 touches, Robinson 3 touches
Week 17: Thomas was out, Ingram 16 touches, Robinson 9 touches
That looks like it was RBBC to me. Spiller takes the role of Thomas. Robinson is still there.
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Rhythmdoctor
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Fyi, Emmitt Smith was 5-9, 199 lbs as a rookie and ran a 4.7 40 and is in the conversation as GOAT. He was one of the most durable RBs as well.
KCBuc
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As a Husker fan, he was the team on offense and everyone knew it. The QB was inaccurate. AA played each game with passion and fought for every yard. He stretched out and would wiggle for that extra yard. Sometimes he fumbled doing it but it was because he was the only guy who seemed like he wanted it more than everyone else. His squats were unreal and has real leg power with balance. The OC would take him out a lot in in goalline situations in favor of 225# Imani Cross. Cross would get stuffed because he couldn't overcome the OL lack of fundamentals, and many fans would say just leave AA in the game.. I think most fans felt AA gave NU the best chance to score (Kenny Bell second). NU never seemed to dump it off to AA in the flat. My guess is the Lions are going to at least try to get him in space and thats where he will excel...in the PPR leagues.
IF AA had played with competent coaches, I do not think most people would question what kind of a player he is. If he had a real OLine, he might have been a serious heisman contender. Many of his fumbles were trying to make the extra play and overcome the lackluster play calling. Im all in on him.
IF AA had played with competent coaches, I do not think most people would question what kind of a player he is. If he had a real OLine, he might have been a serious heisman contender. Many of his fumbles were trying to make the extra play and overcome the lackluster play calling. Im all in on him.
TripItUp
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matuski
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Rhythmdoctor
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You might be right. I've drafted Spiller in a couple leagues but his quietness in camp has me worried. Plus, there's that quote that Brees made this week, something to the effect of 'people aren't giving Ingram enough credit for his receiving ability'. I think he was asked about Spiller's potential and he basically brushed it off and talked up Ingram's ability as a receiver. Could be posturing or could be truth. I know that I'll probably pump the breaks on drafting Spiller in round 4-5 until he starts showing something in preseason.
Rhythmdoctor
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As a RB. I'm not making that argument but as the all-time rushing leader, he's certainly in that conversation.
mcintyre1
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Beware, this is going to get weird (pictures of shirtless men in under armor running 40's / ESPN body issue to follow / probably don't open these at work if you don't want weird stares):
If we're going to evaluate their body types, I'd agree that Ameer is "thinner" in the legs than Rice and MJD (link removed). While they're around the same height and weight, those guys had visibly higher body fat than Ameer. I'd wager that higher muscle mass per lb compared to Rice and MJD had a lot to do with how much better he scored nearly across the board in agility and jumping drills at the combine:
MJD:
- 36" vert
- 7.08 3 cone
- 4.41 short shuttle
- 18 BP
- 116" broad jump
- 31.5" vert
- 6.65 3 cone
- 4.2 short shuttle
- 23 BP
- 119" broad jump
- 42.5" vert
- 6.79 3 cone
- 3.95 short shuttle
- 24 BP
- 130" broad jump
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karmarooster
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Yeah, that got weird. I'm all for comparing Tavon Austin's skinny legs to Percy Harvin or what not, but that's an underwear ad.
I for one never thought there was any usefulness to the MJD/Rice comps. Those dudes are mini-power backs (well, not so much Rice but MJD). Abdullah looks more like a young Reggie Bush in terms of cutting and size, but much more decisive as a runner.
I for one never thought there was any usefulness to the MJD/Rice comps. Those dudes are mini-power backs (well, not so much Rice but MJD). Abdullah looks more like a young Reggie Bush in terms of cutting and size, but much more decisive as a runner.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
BigSteelThrill
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Excuse me? What about last year?
The 13 games Ingram played...
29 carries Khry
31 carries Pierre
226 carries Ingram. 79% of the carries.
To be fair, those guys both missed a good chunk of time in those games. Ingram's percentage wasn't nearly as high when they played.
Ilov80s
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I think my post earlier addressed the breakdown of touches pretty well. The bulk of those carries came when Thomas and Robinson were out.
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BigSteelThrill
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Your post said touches, not carries. Can you give us a % breakdown of rushing carries?
RenegadeRoy
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Ilov80s
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Yeah, sorry. Meant it more as a translation for how the Lions RB situation might be since the OC is from NO.
mcintyre1
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Well, I did warn people. Here's some Ameer Abdullah girlfriend as a mea culpa: http://blacksportsonline.com/home/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Ameer-Abdullah-Georgia-Ellenwood-5.pngRhythmdoctor said:
Raider Nation
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Nevermind all of that nonsense. The important thing here is that I found a bigger version of your avatar!
Jed
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As it happens, it's not entirely irrelevant, since Payton's historical (and current) usage of his RB's is going to mirror Detroit's, insofar as Payton and Lombardi run essentially the same system. What we can learn from either, we can apply to the other to a substantial extent. One could easily draw sketchy conclusions about the reliance on a single back from last year's relatively heavy workload from Bell. When both guys were healthy, the DET situation was New Orleansishly RBBC.
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Leroy Hoard
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This guy wins the internet.EBF said:
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
TripItUp
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Yeah I get it, just started to sidetrack the thread.
BustedKnuckles
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ourmanflint
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"Oh hell no" isn't a valid response to fits of praise for Emmitt Smith. Sorry, try again.
Rhythmdoctor
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Francehas a team now?
Square
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TripItUp
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jurb26
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Banger
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I guess since Bell isn't healthy yet they needed to put him behind someone. That's laughable to have him behind Riddick.
Todem
Footballguy
Veteran respect....who knows.
Like I said matter of time. Cream always rises to the top.
