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Waldman seems really high on him on the podcast.

Was thinking the same thing. I have the utmost respect for Waldman's analysis of RB's and his effusive praise for Abdullah caught my attention. I was already a fan of his talent and landing spot, so his comments pushed me over the edge. I fully expect his value to go up as we get closer to August.

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Do we really think he's going to become a 300 carry guy though? His value is in receiving snapping off long ones, no?

No.

OC comes from NO, the most faithful adherent to committee RB. I think we're looking at 200 carries, generously. Abdullah will have much more value in PPR leagues as he will play the Sproles/Bush role.

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Waldman seems really high on him on the podcast.

Was thinking the same thing. I have the utmost respect for Waldman's analysis of RB's and his effusive praise for Abdullah caught my attention. I was already a fan of his talent and landing spot, so his comments pushed me over the edge. I fully expect his value to go up as we get closer to August.

Part of the reason I've been so confident in my own opinion of Abdullah is how much Waldman agreed with it. Big fan of the RSP. Were you listening to the DLF podcast?

A few videos / plays for a lazy Saturday morning:

Some might remember Nebraska sneaking out a win at home vs Northwestern on a Hail Mary to end the game. However, that play never happens unless Ameer converts a 4th & 15 on a poorly thrown ball against 3 defenders.

One of my favorite plays of his from last season is still this ~9 yard run up the middle against Miami. Abdullah gets small and slips through a tight gap between C/RG and only gets a couple of yards before he's met by #6 Jamal Carter (6'2, 210lb 4* soph. safety) and #52 Denzel Perryman (2015 NFL 2nd round pick). Ameer stops on a dime, absorbs them with his arm/thigh and pops back with a jump cut to the outside before stiff arming his way to a few extra yards. Later in the game, he'd worn Miami's defense out enough to do this.

Then there's this gem of balance from his sophomore year (though he stopped running like that to some degree, too many fumbles contorting like that).

I'll end with a short interview detailing where he's from and his motivation to become a RB.

Bonus interview after the team nearly lost to McNeese State. Good example of why you saw those reports about high character grades.

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Waldman seems really high on him on the podcast.

Was thinking the same thing. I have the utmost respect for Waldman's analysis of RB's and his effusive praise for Abdullah caught my attention. I was already a fan of his talent and landing spot, so his comments pushed me over the edge. I fully expect his value to go up as we get closer to August.

Part of the reason I've been so confident in my own opinion of Abdullah is how much Waldman agreed with it. Big fan of the RSP. Were you listening to the DLF podcast?

A few videos / plays for a lazy Saturday morning:

Some might remember

on a Hail Mary to end the game. However, that play never happens unless Ameer converts a 4th & 15 on a poorly thrown ball against 3 defenders.

One of my favorite plays of his from last season is still this ~9 yard run up the middle against Miami. Abdullah gets small and slips through a tight gap between C/RG and only gets a couple of yards before he's met by #6 Jamal Carter (6'2, 210lb 4* soph. safety) and #52 Denzel Perryman (2015 NFL 2nd round pick). Ameer stops on a dime, absorbs them with his arm/thigh and pops back with a jump cut to the outside before stiff arming his way to a few extra yards. Later in the game, he'd worn Miami's defense out enough to do this.

Then there's this gem of balance from his sophomore year (though he stopped running like that to some degree, too many fumbles contorting like that).

I'll end with a

detailing where he's from and his motivation to become a RB.

Bonus interview after the team nearly lost to McNeese State. Good example of why you saw those reports about high character grades.

Waldman made the comments in an episode of On the Couch with Bloom

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Waldman seems really high on him on the podcast.

Was thinking the same thing. I have the utmost respect for Waldman's analysis of RB's and his effusive praise for Abdullah caught my attention. I was already a fan of his talent and landing spot, so his comments pushed me over the edge. I fully expect his value to go up as we get closer to August.

waldman also has david cobb 14th overall and mike davis 17th overall. yeldon 7th. he's pretty high on a lot of rbs from this class.

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I got him at 1.08 (Reach and over Agholor) in one league while I was very lucky to get him @1.12 in another

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I got him at 1.08 (Reach and over Agholor) in one league while I was very lucky to get him @1.12 in another

Not much of a reach.

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I got him at 1.08 (Reach and over Agholor) in one league while I was very lucky to get him @1.12 in another

Not much of a reach.

IMO, I think that's pretty good value!

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Just went 1.04 in our rookie draft. Was planning to trade up from 2.01 to 1.09 if he was still there but he went way earlier than I thought.

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Just went 1.04 in our rookie draft. Was planning to trade up from 2.01 to 1.09 if he was still there but he went way earlier than I thought.

Hah, must be a Nebraska fan.

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We haven't drafted our rookies, but I'm pretty sure he will go #4. I could even see him going at #3 over Cooper, but this is a league that hordes RBs.

i'm warming up to him, but Cooper is my #1 at this point.

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I just bumped him ahead of Parker. Abdullah, Parker, Yeldon right now. I'd be happy to get one of them. I hold the 1.10 and we pick tonight. I've been debating Perriman and Agholor, but to be honest I'd wouldn't be shocked if somebody I had ranked in my top 9 slides to me.

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I remember McCoy slipping in rookie drafts..... if im not mistaken he was a second round pick when he came out of Pitt, similar profile more straight speed but similar vision and shifty lateral ability.... I think his floor if healthy is Gio and his ceiling is shady. I got him at 1.10 after going Gordon 1.04, and Green-Beckham at 1.08..... honestly im most excited about Abdullah.

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I'm sitting at 10 in a superflex tonight. I hope Abdullah or Yeldon slide to me, but if they don't it's Perriman for me over Agholor and DGB.

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He is there for me to pick right now in PPR at 1.10 along with Agholor and Perriman and DGB available as well. Tough decision.

Unless you're fairly stacked at RB, I'd go with Abdullah. I own DGB in a couple of leagues, but the immaturity issues really worry me with him. I really think Abdullah landed in a Russell Wilson like landing spot in that I think the team does believe in him (as more than just a situational back).

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He is there for me to pick right now in PPR at 1.10 along with Agholor and Perriman and DGB available as well. Tough decision.

Unless you're fairly stacked at RB, I'd go with Abdullah. I own DGB in a couple of leagues, but the immaturity issues really worry me with him. I really think Abdullah landed in a Russell Wilson like landing spot in that I think the team does believe in him (as more than just a situational back).

Thanks for sharing your perspective.

I've been really fortunate to assemble one of the better teams in our dynasty league. It's going on 6 years now.

My backs are J. Charles, Arian Foster, LeVeon Bell, Jonathan Stewart, Charles Sims, Devonta Freeman, Bilal Powell, and Trent Richardson. My Wr's are equally plentiful with A.J. Green, Demaryius Thomas, Antonio Brown, Devantae Adams, Stedman Bailey, Josh Gordon, and Justin Hunter.

For RB's: I figure Freeman and Powell are likely scrap heap. Richardson was total bust and looking like he is also headed for scrap heap. Arian Foster might have one very good year left. Maybe Stewart with one or two years left but always iffy. Charles maybe 2 very good years. Bell looks solid for several years. Sims is unknown. Abdullah would be a solid developing back up for first year while waiting for Joique Bell and Riddick to fan out.

As far as WRs': Similarly, Perriman or Agholor would seem to be behind the studs in front of him.

I tend to value high target WR's in PPR more than RB's. Even pass catching RB's. I honestly thought Agholor would be gone now and that Yeldon would be there for me to pick. I would have selected Yeldon over Abdullah and was surprised to see some posters here in this thread have Yeldon behind Abdullah.

If I go WR now, then I would look to see if there is value at RB at my next picks at 2.10 and 2.11. Not sure there is value there. Whereas if I go Abdullah now at 1.10, there could be some value at WR at 2.10 and 2.11 such as Lockett or Coates. I am half tempted to roll the dice on Agholor and gamble on Ajayi being there at 2.10 or 2.11, but I am sure the Miller owner will take him.

Decisions...decisions...

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Just got him. Gave up Phillip Dorsett + Trent Richardson for him.

Also was able to draft Riddick late in the draft.

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He is there for me to pick right now in PPR at 1.10 along with Agholor and Perriman and DGB available as well. Tough decision.

If you need RB a pretty easy choice, if you need WR Perriman Agholor DGB. I would put Abdullah behind only Perriman over all.

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He is there for me to pick right now in PPR at 1.10 along with Agholor and Perriman and DGB available as well. Tough decision.

If you need RB a pretty easy choice, if you need WR Perriman Agholor DGB. I would put Abdullah behind only Perriman over all.

I passed on Abdullah. I am not sold on him as being a bell cow back. His smallish stature reminds me too much of Davante Freeman, Ellington, and Gio B. All 3 look to have had bigger backs brought in behind them.

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He is there for me to pick right now in PPR at 1.10 along with Agholor and Perriman and DGB available as well. Tough decision.

If you need RB a pretty easy choice, if you need WR Perriman Agholor DGB. I would put Abdullah behind only Perriman over all.

I passed on Abdullah. I am not sold on him as being a bell cow back. His smallish stature reminds me too much of Davante Freeman, Ellington, and Gio B. All 3 look to have had bigger backs brought in behind them.

2 of these 3 had significantly worse NFL draft position, so not surprising that they have devoted more resources to the position. In Gio's case, they brought in a new OC that installed a power run scheme. But the concerns are valid. I will say that personally, I think he can be FF relevant even if he isn't the bell cow. Lombardi seems to be modeling the Det offense off of the historical NO scheme, and they have been able to turn out multiple FF relevant backs on a yearly basis.

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He is there for me to pick right now in PPR at 1.10 along with Agholor and Perriman and DGB available as well. Tough decision.

If you need RB a pretty easy choice, if you need WR Perriman Agholor DGB. I would put Abdullah behind only Perriman over all.

I passed on Abdullah. I am not sold on him as being a bell cow back. His smallish stature reminds me too much of Davante Freeman, Ellington, and Gio B. All 3 look to have had bigger backs brought in behind them.

Fair enough. However, there are a few other guys that were a bit more successful than your examples who also had a similarly "smallish stature" (sizes at time of entering the NFL, mostly): Emmitt Smith 5'9" 205lbs, Barry Sanders 5'8" 203lbs, Tiki Barber 5'10" 205lbs, Marshall Faulk 5'10" 207lbs, Frank Gore 5'9" 210lbs, Thurman Thomas 5'10" 206lbs, Priest Holmes 5'9" 210lbs -- I'm sure there are more but that's probably sufficient to indicate my point. I'm not saying Ameer will be a peer of that list, but I am saying that dismissing him purely because of his stature is a mistake. I'll also note that he ended up on a team that put one of those "small stature" guys in the HoF, indicating that they may be more likely to give him a shot to carry the load.

For further reading, I've been impressed with this article on the ideal RB size based on the sizes of successful RBs over the last few decades in the NFL (tl:dr: 5'9" ~210-215lbs).

I also found this excerpt from a scouting report by Gil Brandt of Barry Sanders when the Cowboys were evaluating him to be drafted (they ended up taking Troy Aikman #1):

Sanders measured up at 5-foot-7 5/8, 203 pounds and ran the 40-yard dash in 4.37. ... I wish he was a little taller. ... Has Tony Dorsett-like ability as a runner, unbelievable quickness (quickness grades above 80 percent). ... Great leg strength and vision. ... Can cut, stop and start on a dime. ... Has been very durable. ... Can return kickoffs (two for TDs in 1987). ... Oklahoma State seldom throws ball to running backs but he did catch ball well in practice. ... Great person, everyone from equipment manager to the secretaries brag on him.

Aside from the fact that Ameer runs a mid 4.5 (pro day) instead of a 4.37, you could apply all of those statements to Abdullah. I think its a fair question whether that difference in 40 yard times could prove to be a determining factor to success, though.

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He is there for me to pick right now in PPR at 1.10 along with Agholor and Perriman and DGB available as well. Tough decision.

If you need RB a pretty easy choice, if you need WR Perriman Agholor DGB. I would put Abdullah behind only Perriman over all.

I passed on Abdullah. I am not sold on him as being a bell cow back. His smallish stature reminds me too much of Davante Freeman, Ellington, and Gio B. All 3 look to have had bigger backs brought in behind them.

2 of these 3 had significantly worse NFL draft position, so not surprising that they have devoted more resources to the position. In Gio's case, they brought in a new OC that installed a power run scheme. But the concerns are valid. I will say that personally, I think he can be FF relevant even if he isn't the bell cow. Lombardi seems to be modeling the Det offense off of the historical NO scheme, and they have been able to turn out multiple FF relevant backs on a yearly basis.

I do think Freeman is similar runner/player. As high school prospects I had Freeman rated above Abdullah, but by the time they made it to the NFL combine it was clear that Abdullah had put in more weight room work and distanced himself. I actually prefer Freeman to Coleman as runners, but ultimately it comes down to opportunity and scheme fit and the Falcons clearly have concerns about Freeman.

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I liked Abdullah in PPR and was targeting him. I then started watching more games and watching Yeldon and Coleman. I passed on Abdullah in a league where I had the 1.6 and 1.9 for a team with running back need. I don't like his frame and he also reminds me of a cop back like GIo and A lesser Reggie Bush.

I see the potential for big games now and then, but Bell is better than what people give him credit for and there is not a lot of tread on the tires. Could be a lot of frustration with who has the fantasy production week to week.

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He is there for me to pick right now in PPR at 1.10 along with Agholor and Perriman and DGB available as well. Tough decision.

If you need RB a pretty easy choice, if you need WR Perriman Agholor DGB. I would put Abdullah behind only Perriman over all.

I passed on Abdullah. I am not sold on him as being a bell cow back. His smallish stature reminds me too much of Davante Freeman, Ellington, and Gio B. All 3 look to have had bigger backs brought in behind them.

He won't necessarily be the "bell cow." Everyone wants to forget Joique Bell and Theo Riddick actually filled in quite nicely. I don't see Abdullah filling in week 1 and never looking back. I'm a big Abdullah

fan, and a Lions fan, and glad we got him. But I think at least this first year, we should temper our expectations a little.

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I liked Abdullah in PPR and was targeting him. I then started watching more games and watching Yeldon and Coleman. I passed on Abdullah in a league where I had the 1.6 and 1.9 for a team with running back need. I don't like his frame and he also reminds me of a cop back like GIo and A lesser Reggie Bush.

I see the potential for big games now and then, but Bell is better than what people give him credit for and there is not a lot of tread on the tires. Could be a lot of frustration with who has the fantasy production week to week.

I see him as more of a poor man's Lesean McCoy. Although I admit, McCoy was terribly frustrating last season.

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Rotoworld:

Ameer Abdullah is expected to be the Lions' primary kick returner this season.

Jeremy Ross filled that role in 2014. Abdullah returned 14 kicks for the University of Nebraska last season with a long of 76 yards. He'll be part of a running back committee with Joique Bell and Theo Riddick. Abdullah has the highest ceiling of the three and should separate himself from the pack before long.
Jun 4 - 9:28 PM

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Abdullah impresses as Lions remain careful with Bell

"These guys get more reps, and every rep is good," Lombardi said. "It helps them learn and, again, I think that's an exceptionally bright group, too. I like Abdullah more every day. He's a real pro, and every day, you can see him do things that really excite you.

"He didn't get a chance, maybe, to show everything he can do as a receiver at Nebraska, but he's even better in that phase of the game than I thought when we drafted him. So it was kind of a bonus when you see how well he catches the ball and how well he runs routes," Lombardi said.

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He's going to take this job and run with it by week 8. Top 10 fantasy back next season.

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I couldn't justify taking him at 1.03 and my league sucks when it comes to trading but I knew he struck gold when Detroit grabbed him. Fortunately, I own Stafford and can't wait to have this electric playmaker turning dumpoffs into points.

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He's going to take this job and run with it by week 8. Top 10 fantasy back next season.

I don't think it takes him that long. Bell is breaking down and was slow to begin with. Bell will be the goal line back if healthy but Ameer seems poised to earn the job out of camp. Bell isn't a special talent.

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Keep your eye on Zach Zenner in that backfield...

I'm too lazy to do the research this moment, but has anyone read how he looks so far?

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Rotoworld:

According to the Detroit Free Press, "it's evident" that second-round pick Ameer Abdullah "will play significant minutes this fall."

Abdullah endeared himself to the coaching staff during OTAs, impressing with his "quick feet" and "sure hands." With Lions minicamp taking place Tuesday through Thursday, we'll be keeping tabs on how many first-team reps Abdullah receives. Joique Bell remains sidelined by Achilles' and knee surgeries.
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Odds are that he'll get Gio Bernarded next year. Or we could say Andre Ellingtoned. Or we could even say Devonte Freemaned. Hell, he's smaller than all of them. You could put Gio's name in the thread title from 2 years ago. It reads the same.

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Odds are that he'll get Gio Bernarded next year. Or we could say Andre Ellingtoned. Or we could even say Devonte Freemaned. Hell, he's smaller than all of them. You could put Gio's name in the thread title from 2 years ago. It reads the same.

Gio and Ellington both commanded steep prices at one point. If you believe that history will repeat, then Ameer is a good guy to draft and sell high later

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Odds are that he'll get Gio Bernarded next year. Or we could say Andre Ellingtoned. Or we could even say Devonte Freemaned. Hell, he's smaller than all of them. You could put Gio's name in the thread title from 2 years ago. It reads the same.

Gio and Ellington both commanded steep prices at one point. If you believe that history will repeat, then Ameer is a good guy to draft and sell high later

Yep. That is what I would do if I took him. They also have a conservative coach so forget this guy being the man at the goal line.

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Who does Waldman have as his top rated RB in this class?

I asked him and he said "shell out the $20 to find out."

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Who does Waldman have as his top rated RB in this class?

I asked him and he said "shell out the $20 to find out."

Im a premium member and I cant seem to find his rankings. I even search the articles. Can you help a fellow member out to find his rankings?

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Who does Waldman have as his top rated RB in this class?

I asked him and he said "shell out the $20 to find out."

Im a premium member and I cant seem to find his rankings. I even search the articles. Can you help a fellow member out to find his rankings?

He puts out the RSP (Rookie Scouting Portfolio) as a separate publication which is not included in FBG memberships.

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Odds are that he'll get Gio Bernarded next year. Or we could say Andre Ellingtoned. Or we could even say Devonte Freemaned. Hell, he's smaller than all of them. You could put Gio's name in the thread title from 2 years ago. It reads the same.

His combine weight was higher than Bernard and Ellington. Not that it really matters.

If Ameer has the type of rookie season I expect, he will be a top 10 dynasty RB at this time next year. Then you can decide what to do with him.

Personally, I think he's a better prospect than any of the guys you named. Much better than Ellington and Freeman. Drafted a lot higher too.

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On a recent episode of On the Couch, he was effusive in his praise for Abdullah. I haven't watched much film on him, but if Waldman likes his that much, I'm paying close attention

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Odds are that he'll get Gio Bernarded next year. Or we could say Andre Ellingtoned. Or we could even say Devonte Freemaned. Hell, he's smaller than all of them. You could put Gio's name in the thread title from 2 years ago. It reads the same.

His combine weight was higher than Bernard and Ellington. Not that it really matters.

If Ameer has the type of rookie season I expect, he will be a top 10 dynasty RB at this time next year. Then you can decide what to do with him.

Personally, I think he's a better prospect than any of the guys you named. Much better than Ellington and Freeman. Drafted a lot higher too.

:goodposting:

Think he's going to be quite a nice get for PPR redrafters this year. Perfect for the Lions offense. Great blend of rushing & receiving ability.

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