the spanker
Footballguy
I'm going to hold one more week. Hue stated he's going to become more involved in running the offense.
Nothing to lose by seeing if there is a pulse next game.
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Duke Johnson RB Dolphins (1 Viewer)
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I'm going to hold one more week. Hue stated he's going to become more involved in running the offense.
Nothing to lose by seeing if there is a pulse next game.
shadrap
Footballguy
Tommy Collins
Footballguy
Definitely a hold right now to see what this Freddie Kitchens guy has.
I see a lot of people thinking the RBs are going to get a big boost because Kitchens was the RB coach. BUT he was a RB coach for only 1.5 years of his coaching career (2017 without David Johnson in Arizona, and this season thus far), so expectations should be tempered. He was the QB Coach for 4 years with Carson Palmer in AZ when they were actually good, and worked under the Bruce Arians offense.
tombonneau
Footballguy
Better late than never. Finally gonna be able to get some ppr flex love with the best pass catching RB in the league.Had to start him with multiple players on bye. Thank you, Greg Williams!!
Let's gooooooo
tombonneau
Footballguy
This kid on the Eagles would be fantastic from FF. But dang, from an NFL perspective, he REALLY opens up that Cowboys offense. That would be an amazing get for them.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Duke n ajayi would make for a nice philly backfield...if they want to resign ajayi
The Man With No Name
Footballguy
Browns have deemed Johnson expendable after signing Kareem Hunt to go with Nick Chubb
Makes no sense. Who says? The Browns haven't. Hunt won't be there for 6-10 games, maybe more.
Makes no sense. Who says? The Browns haven't. Hunt won't be there for 6-10 games, maybe more.
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
Probably a good thing for him since they refused to use him properly. Will be interesting to see where he goes.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
You think he's lying?
He has ALREADY used the wishbone with the Browns.
Freddie Kitchens brings the wishbone to life in Cleveland Browns win over the Atlanta Falcons
It is negligible. Teams always talk about using it, but it never has any meaningful impact on snap count. Every time a team has two decent running backs, it gets mentioned in the offseason. Every time, it has failed to live up to the hype. Pure offseason buzz word.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Did a lot of research on OBJ and what it means for an offense.
One player in his former division said every game plan began with bracket coverage of OBJ. He said that is going to open up the running game for the Browns.
The thing that has been overlooked with the whole OBJ thing is that Dorsey brought in Olivier Vernon and Sheldon Richardson on what used to be a sieve of a defensive line.
That means the Browns defense won't be bleeding as much.
The passing game won't be playing from behind as much and won't be playing catch up.
Their will be more clock control run situations.
Duke is good. He will get used, he's off the trade block and Freddy says he's going to use him.
Freddy is a simple talker and simple doer.
I expect to see more of Duke than we did last year especially early-on before Kareem is back.
I don't disagree with anything in the first half of your post. I mean, Saquon did better with OBJ than without, so that just adds support to this reasonable theory.
As for Duke, I've never been overly impressed with him. I think he's a decent NFL back who has played in a plus situation for his skill set. He's a third down back who has played on a team that was pretty much always losing. His runs have come against soft fronts and many of his carries and receptions have been in garbage time, thus inflating his stats, especially in a PPR setting. And everyone conflates fantasy points with skill, so he's been overhyped, IMO. That being said, after seeing what Williams did in KC after Hunt, it is very possible that Duke and Hunt are similar talents. Duke is probably a better pass blocker, though. I expect Chubb to get 60-70 percent of the snaps. The rest will be for Duke and Hunt to fight for. I doubt either is a meaningful fantasy contributor.
On the topic of him being traded, how many times have we heard a coach say a player is not being shopped only to see the player traded a month later? Kitchens isn't the GM. I wouldn't be so confident that Duke is off the block.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
If you don't like Duke then you don't like Duke. I like him.
He was definitely on the trade block before the suspension of Hunt was known and now he's off the trade block which makes perfect sense.
I don't agree with your assessment of what Duke can or cannot do. IMHO it is a matter of usage and that is strictly a coaching decision and Freddy says he's going to use him.
In my league he's not fantasy relevant so if you don't like him for fantasy purposes I agree but he will be used more this year and I honestly expect Freddy to use the wishbone this year, if only to unfurl it a few times in order to make DCs do more preparation.
It's not that I don't like him. I just don't think he's a notable player. He's not bad. He's just not that good, either.Bracie Smathers said:
Again, you say he's off the trade block like it is a matter of fact, but really we've just got a coach saying that. He's not the GM. It has happened MANY, MANY times that a coach has said we're not trading this player, he's in our plans, yadda yadda... only to have the player get traded a month later. I'm not saying that's definitely going to happen (who is going to trade anything for a guy like Duke making Duke's money?) but I seriously doubt Dorsey has stopped shopping him. However, as I just alluded, I don't think anyone was going to trade for him anyway. If he was still on his rookie contract, sure, but not while he's making over $5M/year. Mark Ingram just got signed as a FA for $5M/year and he's way better than Duke, so why would anyone trade anything of worth just to overpay Duke?
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
Why he signed ....or why CLE signed him to that contract?
Texans would be an interesting spot for him.
MAC_32
Footballguy
Why he signed. It was a no brainer for the Browns. He'd have gotten more on the open market and he wasnt assured of anything here.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
I thought it was a pretty decent contract for what he accomplished at that point. 5 mill per year is not bad for an RB who never rushed for over 400 yards in a season. Obviously his pass catching skills are his strength, but there are more talented backs making less money.
MAC_32
Footballguy
It isn't 5 mil per. It's a 6 mil, 2 year deal. The back loaded portion of the deal isnt guaranteed.
His skill set is unique for the position. That's why there's a market. And why there would have been one if he'd have waited til ufa. On a team that wants to use him. Not be a bridge.
JetMaxx
Footballguy
Unwrittenlaw
Footballguy
I wonder why they didn't ship him with Ogbah to KC. KC not interested?
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
Because Hunt won't be there the first half of the year and a good chance he's only there for one year and signs somewhere else.
MAC_32
Footballguy
He also needs to get through his suspension without incident. Not a good draft to go shopping for a cheap replacement either, but good chance that's why the team is being patient with potential offers. They know the class is weak, which could drive up his market.
Duke has the ability to make this messier, I just hope he doesn't.
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
You seem to have insight into the Browns. Any theories on why they seem to limit him on the field so much?
MAC_32
Footballguy
He's under utilized. There's no way to spin that.
But I also think he has some soft tissue concerns. I always suspected it just watching him play and then Huebola mentioned it during Hard Knocks last year. When he gets the ball electric things happen, but then when the play is over you constantly see him slow to get up or gingerly lumbering toward the sideline to then be followed by an extended absence.
I don't think he can handle > 10 touches/game over the course of the season. I think he can on occasion and should never have games with < 5 though.
rockaction
Footballguy
Why the Jets would be interested in tying up that much money at the RB position when they have Le'Veon Bell as an every-down guy already is...baffling, but it's the Jets.
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Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
His employer who is paying him may think differently, especially the first half of the season.
