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6 hours ago, ChiefD said:

Not so sure about this one. This is Arizona Ron we are talking about: if he sees all those honeys in running shorts fitting him for shoes he may soak the soles in that place. 

Soaking is an urban myth

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8 hours ago, Arizona Ron said:

Can anyone suggest a Non-Asics running shoe; Asics feel great but they wear out too fast.  Last three pair have worn at the heal within 3 months.  I don't consider myself a hardcore runner and I only use them to run (I have no arch Nike training shoes I workout in).  I only run about 10 miles a week. 

If you still have those sets of shoes some Shoe Goo can provide some more wear layer.  I've successfully lengthened the life of shoes when I wear them down in a particular spot this way.

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On 7/9/2018 at 1:32 PM, SFBayDuck said:

I was going to suggest signing up for a 50K to get some mojo back, but I just looked and I couldn't find a single ultra within 200 miles of Minneapolis in the rest of July or August.  Guess people up there are too smart to run in that weather?  So you're just going to have to get out there and get those long runs in.  Load up with music or podcasts or whatever, get up early, and get out there. 

I also find myself watching more YouTube stuff when I'm trying to get inspired, here are a couple:

Why We Run (Salomon Running)

The Original (Salomon Running)

The Crown Traverse (North Face)

THE WHY, Running 100 Miles (Billy Yang)

MONT BLANC - CCC UTMB 2015 (Billy Yang)

THE GATHERING, The Hardrock 100 (Billy Yang)

A DECADE ON - Brian Morrison and The Western States 100 (Ginger Runner)

On another note, I finally listened to Jimmy Dean Freeman's podcast from RdL - he references you  ("one guy from Minnesota") and your conversations a couple of times (we may have already talked about this, couldn't remember).

 

;tldr - HTFU, get back to being the BMF you are, and get out there and get it done.

Yeah, the mid/late summer ultra scene in Minnesota is pretty sparse.  There was a popular 50K last weekend (Afton 50K), and there's a 50 miler coming up at the end of July (Voyageur), but I'm not sure I'm ready for a 50 miler in 2+ weeks.  I think I'm going to stay the course and just grind on my own.  My best bet at this stage is to put in a solid 2 month training block and do my best to ensure I get into early September as healthy as possible. 

I re-read my race report from Superior 2016 and have given a bit of thought about how much I struggled during the mid-day on Friday in the early part of the race.  That essentially ended up being miles 25-44, which is a notoriously tough stretch and one during which I had my lowest of lows.  So, I just booked a camp site at Tettegouche (Mile 35 aid station) for a weekend in early August and my plan is to head up there, potentially solo for a full on training and mind clearing weekend, and run an out and back backwards to the Mile 25 aid station on Saturday (20 mile run, ~4200 feet of elevation gain) and then turn around on Sunday morning and run to the Mile 44 aid station (17.2 miles, ~3800 feet of elevation gain).  I figure that will be a solid back-to-back effort on the sections that gave me problems, and hopefully provide more familiarity with these sections in terms of what to expect and boost confidence heading into Superior this year. 

Love all the video links!  I've caught a few of those already, but definitely some I haven't watched.  Thanks! 

And finally, thanks for the link the TRN podcast with Jimmy Dean.  That's funny...I've fallen out of listening to podcasts and never caught that one.  Yep, I'm "that guy from Minnesota."  :lmao:  Was fun to chat with him for a few miles during the race.  I do crack up at their conversation on the podcast about the "meat grinder" at RDL and how gnarly they make that section sound.  I think I said this following RDL, but that meat grinder section that stretches for ~5 miles is essentially what Superior is for 90+.  We need to get a few of you Westerners out here to experience it.  So whadya say @SFBayDuck, 2019?!?! :headbang: 

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After ~2.5 years of therapy, I think I'm just about back to being on my own for running and calf pain management.   My last appointment was with ortho specialist with a very reputable outfit in Chicago.  One theory he had is proximal tibiofibular joint (TFJ)  arthritis, a pretty rare form of arthritis.   The MRI showed some evidence of this.  I asked about the 20+ year period with no progression, but he acknowledged that that does run counter to most arthritis, but it is still possible.   Anyway, the treatment and diagnostic test is for a steroid shot in the joint and I got this in his office about 2 weeks ago now.   As best as I could tell, this has had no influence on the symptomology - no better; no worse.   I don't have a set appointment to go back to the ortho, but I got the vibe that we've already exhausted nearly every possible (known) treatment for whatever I got. 

Obviously bummed that the window for a full recovery has pretty much closed, but also relieved to be done with the constant therapies that have gone nowhere.  I've lived with this thing for the last 25 years so  it's not like my current state is anything new or different - just resigned myself to a life where I can't fully run, but still can do just about everything else. 

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2 hours ago, Brony said:

After ~2.5 years of therapy, I think I'm just about back to being on my own for running and calf pain management.   My last appointment was with ortho specialist with a very reputable outfit in Chicago.  One theory he had is proximal tibiofibular joint (TFJ)  arthritis, a pretty rare form of arthritis.   The MRI showed some evidence of this.  I asked about the 20+ year period with no progression, but he acknowledged that that does run counter to most arthritis, but it is still possible.   Anyway, the treatment and diagnostic test is for a steroid shot in the joint and I got this in his office about 2 weeks ago now.   As best as I could tell, this has had no influence on the symptomology - no better; no worse.   I don't have a set appointment to go back to the ortho, but I got the vibe that we've already exhausted nearly every possible (known) treatment for whatever I got. 

Obviously bummed that the window for a full recovery has pretty much closed, but also relieved to be done with the constant therapies that have gone nowhere.  I've lived with this thing for the last 25 years so  it's not like my current state is anything new or different - just resigned myself to a life where I can't fully run, but still can do just about everything else. 

@Brony, in reading your post I couldn't recall whether I had responded to you with my thoughts previously.  Turns out the response I was thinking of wasn't to you, but another poster. I was thinking of this post, which was almost two years ago to the day.  Sounds crazy but if you haven't tried it, I would highly recommend giving a gluten free diet a shot for at least a couple weeks.  See if there's a potential gluten allergy or similar which may be causing unnecessary inflammation. As I said in the post I linked, I laughed my ### off at the time of the "diagnosis" for my wife but she's been free of arthritic-like symptoms ever since she made the decision and it's been a life changer for her.  She's since been confirmed as not having a gluten allergy, but her body definitely has certain adverse reactions whenever she consumes gluten.  As I said before, if you've never tried I think it's worth a shot.  Good luck.    

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2 hours ago, SayWhat? said:

@Brony, in reading your post I couldn't recall whether I had responded to you with my thoughts previously.  Turns out the response I was thinking of wasn't to you, but another poster. I was thinking of this post, which was almost two years ago to the day.  Sounds crazy but if you haven't tried it, I would highly recommend giving a gluten free diet a shot for at least a couple weeks.  See if there's a potential gluten allergy or similar which may be causing unnecessary inflammation. As I said in the post I linked, I laughed my ### off at the time of the "diagnosis" for my wife but she's been free of arthritic-like symptoms ever since she made the decision and it's been a life changer for her.  She's since been confirmed as not having a gluten allergy, but her body definitely has certain adverse reactions whenever she consumes gluten.  As I said before, if you've never tried I think it's worth a shot.  Good luck.    

Thanks for giving some thought to my situation.  I've been moving towards a lower carb lifestyle in general and outside of beer, I don't even consume much gluten to begin with.  I know that's not the same as truly gluten free, but consider this: Around 1995, I had calf pain that only occurred in correlation with running. I went from 1995 to 2015 with no running and no issues in the calf.  In 2015, I started running again and the exact same pain and issues that were occurring in the 90's started to present themselves.  Could gluten be a contributor to the pain that occurs with running? Possibly.  But I'd be really, really surprised if gluten was the underlying cause of my woes.

I do have a friend that went through many quirky pains and stomach issues for many years before figuring out that gluten was the root cause and he's been much better off.  I get the power of gluten and diet. 

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Best training run of the year for me tonight.  Went 4.3 miles with the last 1.5 miles being a death defying, ### clenching power walk all the way to my doorstep in a SI of 166, and did so without releasing a single squirt into my pants.  Basically a HOF worthy effort.  

Go ahead :tebow:, for I am worthy.

 

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51 minutes ago, SayWhat? said:

Best training run of the year for me tonight.  Went 4.3 miles with the last 1.5 miles being a death defying, ### clenching power walk all the way to my doorstep in a SI of 166, and did so without releasing a single squirt into my pants.  Basically a HOF worthy effort.  

Go ahead :tebow:, for I am worthy.

 

1.5mi clinch walk?  Pfft - if you could make it that long I doubt you even had a turtle head poking out. 

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welp, i forgot my running underwear/tights tonight

went anyways 

 

take that @SayWhat?

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3 hours ago, SayWhat? said:

Best training run of the year for me tonight.  Went 4.3 miles with the last 1.5 miles being a death defying, ### clenching power walk all the way to my doorstep in a SI of 166, and did so without releasing a single squirt into my pants.  Basically a HOF worthy effort.  

Go ahead :tebow:, for I am worthy.

 

See, your mojo is already back. 

And now you’re not the only one in the household with poop stories......

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14 hours ago, SayWhat? said:

 I do crack up at their conversation on the podcast about the "meat grinder" at RDL and how gnarly they make that section sound.  I think I said this following RDL, but that meat grinder section that stretches for ~5 miles is essentially what Superior is for 90+.  We need to get a few of you Westerners out here to experience it.  So whadya say @SFBayDuck, 2019?!?! :headbang: 

That might actually work. If I get in and knock out Miwok 100K in Spring I’ll have my WS100 qualifier, and when I finish AC100 in 3 weeks I’ll have my 2-year HR100 qualifier, so that opens up possibilities to do whatever the rest of the year next year. Do you happen to know if it’s a UTMB qualifier?  

And we could have a Midwest FFA  crew/pacer/cornhole fest, with @tri-man 47 giving foot care clinics. 

ETA:  yes, I’m already assuming not getting in to WS100 or HR100 lotteries. Either one of those would obviously change everything. 

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16 hours ago, JAA said:

1.5mi clinch walk?  Pfft - if you could make it that long I doubt you even had a turtle head poking out. 

I think you missed the "HOF worthy effort" portion of my post.  :D

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14 hours ago, SFBayDuck said:

That might actually work. If I get in and knock out Miwok 100K in Spring I’ll have my WS100 qualifier, and when I finish AC100 in 3 weeks I’ll have my 2-year HR100 qualifier, so that opens up possibilities to do whatever the rest of the year next year. Do you happen to know if it’s a UTMB qualifier?  

And we could have a Midwest FFA  crew/pacer/cornhole fest, with @tri-man 47 giving foot care clinics. 

ETA:  yes, I’m already assuming not getting in to WS100 or HR100 lotteries. Either one of those would obviously change everything. 

Oh. Yeah. So you're saying there's a chance....I'll take it. 

Unfortunately it's not a qualifier for UTMB.  The closest regional qualifiers for me are such notables as Kettle Moraine 100 (WI), Burning River 100 (OH), Mines of Spain 100 (HUH? IA), and North Face 50 (WI).  Yuck.  Sucks because from what I can recall, it essentially boils down to a race director's willingness to play the UTMB game of having to pay UTMB a fee to be a qualifying race.  And quite a few RD's feel it's kind of a scam. 

 

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Bad idea to run with a cold and a SUPER sore throat?

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1 hour ago, gruecd said:

Bad idea to run with a cold and a SUPER sore throat?

You got it too? That was miserable.

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4 hours ago, SayWhat? said:

Oh. Yeah. So you're saying there's a chance....I'll take it. 

Unfortunately it's not a qualifier for UTMB.  The closest regional qualifiers for me are such notables as Kettle Moraine 100 (WI), Burning River 100 (OH), Mines of Spain 100 (HUH? IA), and North Face 50 (WI).  Yuck.  Sucks because from what I can recall, it essentially boils down to a race director's willingness to play the UTMB game of having to pay UTMB a fee to be a qualifying race.  And quite a few RD's feel it's kind of a scam. 

 

That's exactly right, a race has to pay a fee to be included.  AC100 isn't, nor was Cascade Crest - and both are HR100 qualifiers (Hardrock itself also isn't a qualifier).  The RDs don't need the hassle or the cost, and they obviously sell out the races anyway.  Qualifying races website

Canyons 100K is 5 points, and you get two year's worth of races for your total.  For some reason States isn't showing up on my ITRA page, I just submitted a request to add that.  Once that's done I am qualified, and will be for 2019 for any of the UTMB races.  It'd be 2020, which quite frankly is the more likely scenario when I might look to enter, that I'd need another qualifying race for.  Of course Miwok and Sonoma are both 4 pointers, so if I ran both of them next year it would give me enough for CCC or TDS, but not UTMB.

Since I've never even been to Europe I'd look to make a 10-14 day vacation out of it, so honestly I think the CCC (100K) is the race I'd likely do so I wouldn't be destroyed afterward and could enjoy being a tourist for awhile.   

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1 hour ago, gruecd said:

Bad idea to run with a cold and a SUPER sore throat?

 

12 minutes ago, MAC_32 said:

You got it too? That was miserable.

Maybe you guys shouldn’t have used tongue.

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6 minutes ago, ChiefD said:

 

Maybe you guys shouldn’t have used tongue.

"We just held hands"

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7 minutes ago, gianmarco said:

"We just held hands"

I'm reporting all of this.  The FFA is my safe place and y'all are triggering me.

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37 minutes ago, MAC_32 said:

You got it too? That was miserable.

How long did it last?

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25 minutes ago, ChiefD said:

 

Maybe you guys shouldn’t have used tongue.

Mind your own business.

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4 minutes ago, gruecd said:

How long did it last?

I'll let you know when it's over. My schedule was already bad this week then this thing is compounding things. Crept up Tuesday and been hanging out ever since. 

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6 minutes ago, gruecd said:

Mind your own business.

He's asking for a friend.

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26 minutes ago, MAC_32 said:

I'll let you know when it's over. My schedule was already bad this week then this thing is compounding things. Crept up Tuesday and been hanging out ever since. 

Same. I ran Tuesday night and got the chills about 90 minutes afterwards. Couldn't stop shivering. Went to bed with all my clothes on, woke up drenched in sweat. Sore throat hit yesterday morning. Worse today.

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Been an interesting summer so far. As most have you have seen on strava, my runs are almost all slow runs. Trying to keep the heart rate low to build that engine before fall hits.

Small gains are starting to show up. My three runs this week have been with a SI of 170 or greater. My paces are still high of course, but my HR has been 147, 150, and 154.

Two months ago I would be in the low to upper 150’s at the same pace, but with an SI about 20 points lower.

:)Small victories.  It’s coming. Formal marathon cycle starts in late November, but once cool weather hits the mileage is gonna start ramping. Getting excited about this next cycle. And the body is doing really well right now.

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So a sweet 9 mile mostly-trail run on Mackinac Island this afternoon. Couple late miles were on barely-there trail along the tree line of the cliffs overlooking Lake Huron. Loved it.  I could occasionally hear bikers on the loop road a few hundred feet below, so every now and then I’d pause and let out loud “caw, caw, caw”s ...leave ‘em guessing what the heck was hanging out in the forest up above. 😄

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35 minutes ago, ChiefD said:

Been an interesting summer so far. As most have you have seen on strava, my runs are almost all slow runs. Trying to keep the heart rate low to build that engine before fall hits.

Small gains are starting to show up. My three runs this week have been with a SI of 170 or greater. My paces are still high of course, but my HR has been 147, 150, and 154.

Two months ago I would be in the low to upper 150’s at the same pace, but with an SI about 20 points lower.

:)Small victories.  It’s coming. Formal marathon cycle starts in late November, but once cool weather hits the mileage is gonna start ramping. Getting excited about this next cycle. And the body is doing really well right now.

Can't wait to follow along, GB.  I'm excited to see you out there consistently.

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9 minutes ago, tri-man 47 said:

Couple late miles were on barely-there trail along the tree line of the cliffs overlooking Lake Huron. Loved it.  

Obviously duck’s photo taking ability didn’t transfer from foot to hand......

:penalty:

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2 hours ago, gruecd said:

How long did it last?

Rumor has it, about seven seconds.  

Ba dum tttt.  I’ll be here all night.  

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2 hours ago, ChiefD said:

Been an interesting summer so far. As most have you have seen on strava, my runs are almost all slow runs. Trying to keep the heart rate low to build that engine before fall hits.

Small gains are starting to show up. My three runs this week have been with a SI of 170 or greater. My paces are still high of course, but my HR has been 147, 150, and 154.

Two months ago I would be in the low to upper 150’s at the same pace, but with an SI about 20 points lower.

:)Small victories.  It’s coming. Formal marathon cycle starts in late November, but once cool weather hits the mileage is gonna start ramping. Getting excited about this next cycle. And the body is doing really well right now.

Good stuff!

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1 hour ago, tri-man 47 said:

Couple late miles were on barely-there trail along the tree line of the cliffs overlooking Lake Huron.

:wub:

 

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17 hours ago, gruecd said:

Bad idea to run with a cold and a SUPER sore throat?

yes

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14 hours ago, tri-man 47 said:

So a sweet 9 mile mostly-trail run on Mackinac Island this afternoon. Couple late miles were on barely-there trail along the tree line of the cliffs overlooking Lake Huron. Loved it.  I could occasionally hear bikers on the loop road a few hundred feet below, so every now and then I’d pause and let out loud “caw, caw, caw”s ...leave ‘em guessing what the heck was hanging out in the forest up above. 😄

I hear you can upload pictures to Strava along your run ...

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6 minutes ago, JAA said:

yes

Too bad.  I did it, and it didn't seem to hurt anything.  ;)

Feeling a little better today, so we'll see what happens for tomorrow's trail half.  If I can go sub-1:45, that would probably put me in the top 25 and top-3 for my AG, but given that (1) I've been sick, (2) it's gonna be warm/humid AF, and (3) I'll be hiking at least a solid 1-1/2 miles, I'm not sure if it's do-able. 

ETA:  It helps that the course is probably closer to 12.8 miles than 13.1.  Par for the course with a trail race.  :shrug: 

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1 minute ago, JAA said:

I hear you can upload pictures to Strava along your run ...

Dude doesn't even enable the maps feature for his runs.  Do you honestly think the old geezer is gonna upload pictures?

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Just completed my first 100 mile week.

 

A few reflections...

  • legs feel good
  • I don't know how people train 100+ miles per week. I could barely do it while on vacation!
  • Holy cow! @SFBayDuck runs that all at one shot!  :bow:
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2 minutes ago, gruecd said:

Dude doesn't even enable the maps feature for his runs.  Do you honestly think the old geezer is gonna upload pictures?

Maybe he is worried we will stalk him on his running route for foot massages.

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Just now, SteelCurtain said:

Maybe he is worried we will stalk him on his running route for foot massages.

That must be it!

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4 minutes ago, SteelCurtain said:

Maybe he is worried we will stalk him on his running route for foot massages.

Or he'll get stalked and then end up sick with a sore throat like some others here.

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oof

Who is the one with the calf issues?

I think I mentioned during my race last weekend that my left calf just started hurting.  Its painful, but not debilitating.  I havnt had any calf pain since the race.  Since last sunday I have biked like 75 miles and swam like 2 miles.  Nothing.  Went for my first run today and ... ouch.  WTF is this?

Pain is like below the protruding calf muscle.  Like right below it a little up from the achilles and its certainly painful.  It happened almost right away during the run, I was like - oh ####, I remember you.  When I hit my first hill repeat it shot up real bad.  At one point in the during the first repeat I thought I was going to tear the muscle from the bone.  I made it to the top and walked a bit, waiting for my running partner (cause Im a BMF and he isnt).  I kept going and it was still there, just not debilitating.  Starting of repeat 2 was OK, just the pain.  For the 3rd time it was painful but completely manageable.

No idea what to do here.  I cant really find a stretch to work this area.  I think my only option may be to foam roller or hand roller.  When I first showed the wife she wasnt worried but I havnt had something linger like this for years.  I mean, I have a huge race in like 6 weeks, it needs to go away now.  Stupid muscles!

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