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Dynasty and Redraft: David Johnson Saints (1 Viewer)
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Ilov80s
Footballguy
I like the Gio comparison in the that he is a really talented RB that could be a beast if he ever got a chance to have the backfield to himself.
Shutout
Footballguy
Agree. There was that time in FF where the guy with the #1 pick just said "faulk", followed by "Think I'll take a four month nap and then see who joins me in the playoffs." He was really one of the last guys who could literally carry you to the playoffs all by himself.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Milkman
Footballguy
Yeah DJ is bigger and more explosive. He doesn't have the top end speed but at his size he's every bit the athlete.
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Milkman
Footballguy
Yeah I'm not saying he's anywhere close to Faulk as a FF asset. He is a bigger more explosive athlete though. Does that translate to the field at the level Faulk did? Probably not.
Otis
Footballguy
Chaka
Footballguy
DJ is bigger but you and I must have very different definitions of explosive. IMO Faulk was one of the most explosive to ever play RB.
I loved what I saw from DJ last season and I think he could be a great one. But Faulk put up 1,500 yards and 10+ TDs in 9 of his first 10 seasons (or was it 10 of 11?). Whatever he was ridiculous.
Chaka
Footballguy
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Lol. Faulk. This board has officially jumped the shark.
geoff8695
Footballguy
Van Dyman
Footballguy
Agree.
In a football context (size, speed, power, running style, receiving skill, etc.) which RBs (past or present) are the best comps for DJ?
Chaka
Footballguy
Milkman
Footballguy
I don't understandwhat you're trying to say but I would have drafted Gurley in front of DJ last year in rookie drafts. This year I'd draft DJ in front of Gurley. Gurley is a fantasic RB but he's stuck on a pretty bad offense. DJ will have twice the scoring opportunities this year.
Dynasty value between the two is pretty even for me.
Dynasty value between the two is pretty even for me.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
No way. Gurley is much better than Johnson. This guy could even get on the field until 22 different running backs got hurt. He was fresh when everyone else was beat up.
Gurley is a much better runner and you can't underestimate the key of being a fresh back when everyone is beat up. In dynasty it's not that close for me between the two, especially considering that Gurley is about 3.5 years younger.
Now redraft PPR is a different story, there it's close for me between the two because DJ is a much better receiver and as we saw when he finally got on the field last year they are inclined to use him often in that capacity.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
I agree it's much closer in redraft. However I don't think Ellington is going to be benched. Neither is Chris Johnson. Those guys still have value to the Cards.
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Milkman
Footballguy
DJ was my third rated rookie behind Gurley and Cooper. You should watch the first episode of the show All or Nothing. It explains a little more why DJ wasn't playing right away. BH knew he was the best back on the roster immediately and basically said he was holding him back so his head wouldn't get to big.
The age difference is huge in dynasty I agree but Gurley has one serious injury to his knee already that DJ doesn't have. I know I'm in the minority so I don't expect to change anybody's mind here but to me it's to close for me to trade one for the other.
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Sabertooth
Footballguy
I'm excited to watch it, camped all weekend.
Run It Up
Footballguy
I don't think you have to try and poke holes in Gurley game if you like DJ. The same dichotomy existed before with Peterson and Forte. Peterson(Gurley) will almost definitely have more name value, Forte has had value based in his complete ability and consistency in production, David Johnson was a ### #### machine in college. I'm as concerned about his mileage as I am Gurley injury. But I trust that DJ will be as consistent as he was in college and as he's shown to be last year when given a role from here on.
Milkman
Footballguy
PFF has them graded similarly with Gurley having a slight edge in rushing grade and a major edge in pass pro. David Johnson has a big edge in the passing game. Pass pro is only significant if it limits a players opportunity on 3rd down. Since Arizona is going to use DJ on 3rd downs because he's still adequate that edge Gurley has there means nothing.
Don't blame anybody for taking Gurley over DJ because the age factor is pretty big. I'd make a small bet DJ outscores Gurley in PPR this year.
Don't blame anybody for taking Gurley over DJ because the age factor is pretty big. I'd make a small bet DJ outscores Gurley in PPR this year.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
Unfortunately I have not found any target data for David Johnson in college, but if you watch his three games on draft breakdown (haha) it becomes pretty obvious how gifted he is as a receiver.
Here are Gurley's college receiving stats.
2012 20 targets 16 receptions 117 yards 80.0% catch rate 5.9 ypt 7.3 ypr
2013 48 targets 37 receptions 441 yards 77.1% catch rate 9.2 ypt 11.9 ypr
2014 13 targets 12 receptions 57 yards 92.3% catch rate 4.4 ypt 4.8 ypr
Total 81 targets 65 receptions 615 yards 80% catch rate 7.6 ypt 9.5 ypr
This is pretty good. I could definitely see the Rams using him more as a receiver in 2016.
Here are Gurley's college receiving stats.
2012 20 targets 16 receptions 117 yards 80.0% catch rate 5.9 ypt 7.3 ypr
2013 48 targets 37 receptions 441 yards 77.1% catch rate 9.2 ypt 11.9 ypr
2014 13 targets 12 receptions 57 yards 92.3% catch rate 4.4 ypt 4.8 ypr
Total 81 targets 65 receptions 615 yards 80% catch rate 7.6 ypt 9.5 ypr
This is pretty good. I could definitely see the Rams using him more as a receiver in 2016.
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Milkman
Footballguy
Yeah I think he'll improve significantly this year. Big difference in talent coming from where he came from to the NFL.
WheelsUp
Footballguy
No his team wins, cant dispute that, but is that only his doing? Do his DC, coaches and the talent of his players have nothing to do with that?
Do you think cutting a player over a parking spot is a sign of a guy who always makes great decisions? He did keep Johnson on the bench, is that a good decision?
Do you think cutting a player over a parking spot is a sign of a guy who always makes great decisions? He did keep Johnson on the bench, is that a good decision?
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Chaka
Footballguy
3 3/4 seasons, 34-14 record, four starting QBs, three defensive coordinators, two offensive coordinators, two different franchises.
Only a very small handful of teams would confidentially take their HC over Arians.
WheelsUp
Footballguy
Thats all great, but he still cut a guy over a parking spot and you are defending it.
But to the points, you are taking his interim credit with a team he didnt run? Isnt Todd Bowles a HC now? Also count the Warner injury and the backups as 4 starting QBs? Thanks for your remark, however, I still will question his judgement. Because I am allowed as a person with my own mind.
Where is Bruces SB titles as a HC since he is so great? Did he win one with the other franchise maybe?
But to the points, you are taking his interim credit with a team he didnt run? Isnt Todd Bowles a HC now? Also count the Warner injury and the backups as 4 starting QBs? Thanks for your remark, however, I still will question his judgement. Because I am allowed as a person with my own mind.
Where is Bruces SB titles as a HC since he is so great? Did he win one with the other franchise maybe?
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kutta
Footballguy
Really? Arians' record as a head coach is pretty amazing. Not sure why you are so down on him.
LittlePhatty
Footballguy
Not that unusual for a rookie, right? It usually means the player was still learning play calls, blocking assignments, etc.
Sabertooth
Footballguy
Nah, but holding him back so his head wouldn't get too big sounds like a load ofWheelsUp said:
zamboni
Footballguy
IIRC, DJ had a bit of fumbilitis and miss a few pass protection assignments in camp and in the early part of the season, which put him in Arians' doghouse for a time. It took injuries to CJ and Ellington to give DJ a shot, but he obviously took off from there.
