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Dynasty and Redraft: David Johnson Saints (3 Viewers)
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Shutout
Footballguy
Maybe I am a glutton for punishment but I love this scenario where a highly drafted FF rookie kind of gets forgotten with an early injury that sets them back. People start forgetting about them as soon as their name isn't in the media everyday getting praised and then, when the real crucial time comes in (week 2 and 3 of the pre-season), they re-emerge and people have to make decisions on them.
I think Johnson is a great candidate to be one of these guys that lost some luster but is worth watching closely now.
I think Johnson is a great candidate to be one of these guys that lost some luster but is worth watching closely now.
Raiderfan32904
Footballguy
I don't know by what "watching closely" means here? Is that throwing out preemptive lowball offers at David Johnson owners? Pretty sure they invested a pretty penny to obtain him, and are likely disappointed to this point. Add in the Chris Johnson signing and it looks like a full blown RBBC. Not to mention the injury to Iupati and I'm not sure there is much to keep tabs on.
Shutout
Footballguy
It means the opposite of what you just painted the picture for. Everyone's off him right now and he is worth watching because he might be worth acquiring.
I'm not meaning to tear down your perception of him by any means. It may be dead on. I'm just saying it can be a great place for value. I don't really want to make an ODB comparison because that's a little over the top but it does tend to happen that every year there are several players that get a bit of "out of sight, out of mind" and turn out to remind us of why people were interested in them so much, initially.
Fireinside
Footballguy
It's about time, now just enjoy the ride
Fireinside
Footballguy
Zyphros
Footballguy
Anybody who bought him this offseason, through rookie draft or whatever likely really likes the guy. It wouldn't matter if you wanted to try and steal him away cause it's a "low" time for his value, his owner's dont see it that way. They drafted him ~2 months ago and they are going to wait for his chance. I don't understand "selling low" on a guy you just drafted unless you don't like him as a prospect and got him cheap in the first place.
Milkman
Footballguy
Some drafts haven't started yet.......I want to grab this guy but the price will go up if he flashes this weekend.
Gianluca
Footballguy
Yeah he should've hit the hole but bounced it outside. He definitely redeemed himself. 12 carries 60 yards currently and just caught a pass on 3rd and 6 for 9 yards.
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Final Stat Line ( 1st half ) = 13 carries 66 yards & 2 rec 15 yards.
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Loan Sharks
Not a Wolf
DJ is real. He is a NFL caliber RB.
Football Jones
Footballguy
DJ looked REALLY good & he can't be in top shape yet. Sky-high on this kid. Big, fast, strong, good feet, good quickness, nice stiffarm, & he's an elite receiver (probably the best receiver I've seen coming out of college). Tremendous ceiling in both PPR & non-PPR leagues, IMO.
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slackjawedyokel
Footballguy
I dropped him for Hillman in a "roster 4 RB" league. Both kind of in a similar situation but DJ is more talented. I'm thinking of picking Johnson back up.
mlball77
Footballguy
Post-game interview with Johnson: http://www.azcardinals.com/videos/videos/Johnson-It-started-slowing-down-a-little-more/7c9bba4e-f07b-4cf2-bd81-b3aa56934d2c
Liked what I heard him say in this interview and am encouraged by how he looked after being out for a couple of weeks with the hammy issue.
Liked what I heard him say in this interview and am encouraged by how he looked after being out for a couple of weeks with the hammy issue.
Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
1 year from now, all of these guys are going to be viewed as in great situations.
Milkman
Footballguy
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werdnoynek
Footballguy
Hmm I don't know if this is an error, but PFF has him with 10 missed tackles rushing in that one game??
I didn't see it so have no idea if that's correct.
I didn't see it so have no idea if that's correct.
Manster
Footballguy
I know its been said before, but this dude is Matt Forte light. He looked pretty good running the ball. Ran with some power. He did miss a couple reads, maybe bounced outside too much, but overall, he looked pretty impressive.......add in the receiving ability, great potential, especially in ppr.
The only thing is, he needs to work on pass protection. He seemed a bit overwhelmed in pass pro last game. Maybe just due to being a rook? He's gonna have to be trusted to protect old ### palmer.
The only thing is, he needs to work on pass protection. He seemed a bit overwhelmed in pass pro last game. Maybe just due to being a rook? He's gonna have to be trusted to protect old ### palmer.
Run It Up
Footballguy
Its gotta be the speed of the game, he had elite pass protection ability in college, might have been the best in this class.
I don't know about elite. I thought his pass blocking was questionable in the 3 games available online to watch. He barely gave much effort some of the time. But, I don't doubt he become a better pass blocker. It didn't matter much in college. In the pros, he won't be on the field until he can protect Palmer. His effort will quickly get better.
Run It Up
Footballguy
Ellington has been pretty poor at pass protection, I agree and have said a couple times in this thread that D. Johnsons path to the start will likely be heavily tied to his pass protection snaps.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Run It Up, on 24 Aug 2015 - 5:40 PM, said:
http://www.numberfire.com/nfl/news/5580/david-johnson-is-worth-the-gamble-in-fantasy-football
Love his, size, speed, and how he tested as one of the best all-time at the combine. Considering how poorly Ellington ran last year and Ellington's small frame and how he struggled to say healthy and that Chris Johnson has been dealing with a hammy when David Johnson has looked good.
I think its a matter of time before he gets a shot a rookie season.
Ellington was not very good running the ball last year either:
http://www.numberfire.com/nfl/news/5580/david-johnson-is-worth-the-gamble-in-fantasy-football
The biggest criticism of David Johnson's game was he was weak running between the tackles and seemed to avoid contact. If you checked out his game that was legitimate criticism however he ran hard between the tackles in the last game and Bruce Arians noted it with his comments.
Love his, size, speed, and how he tested as one of the best all-time at the combine. Considering how poorly Ellington ran last year and Ellington's small frame and how he struggled to say healthy and that Chris Johnson has been dealing with a hammy when David Johnson has looked good.
I think its a matter of time before he gets a shot a rookie season.
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
If David Johnson gets GL carries then its another blow to Ellington who only rushed for 3 TDs last year.
Just saw this from a Cardinal beat writer who thinks DJ can be a three-down RB where he notes pass-pro as the first challenge which is the first challenge for every rookie RB, to prove they can pick up the blitz:
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Mike Jurecki @mikejurecki Aug 25
David Johnson has the skill set to become a three-down back in the future, his next challenge will be learning different protection schemes.
Ilov80s
Footballguy
Bracie Smathers
Footballguy
Final preseason action update.
DJ started out rough with his first run for -4 yards where he really never had a shot as four defenders were in the backfield before he got the ball but after that he had a nice game with 4 receptions for 40 yards and 1 TD.
So in the two games he saw action he has put together back-to-back impressive performances.
That Arizona offensive line needs work with the run blocking though.
DJ started out rough with his first run for -4 yards where he really never had a shot as four defenders were in the backfield before he got the ball but after that he had a nice game with 4 receptions for 40 yards and 1 TD.
So in the two games he saw action he has put together back-to-back impressive performances.
That Arizona offensive line needs work with the run blocking though.
Chaka
Footballguy
You sure run this line quite a bit. Y'know sometimes players who don't do much in the preseason just aren't that good and deserve low ADPs. Not sure about Johnson, but still.
jurb26
Footballguy
It's especially odd because the players he doesn't like, see Yeldon, who don't do much have this used against them.
Crazysight
Footballguy
Remind me more of L. Murray, superb athlete with size coming out of division 2 school. Will need some time but not much competition in Zona right now to begin with.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Robert Hughes looks to be the short yardage back, so I'm not sure about that. As a Johnson owner, I hope so but despite his size he's not a great power runner.
addicted2ff
Footballguy
I think DJ is big enough and elusive enough that he will stay in at goal line when they're 3-4+ yards out, but if he can show that the rumor about him not being enough of a power runner is a myth he might just gobble them all up.
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Shutout
Footballguy
This is true and probably never will change.
Just my eyeball/gut but I like David Johnson more than Ellington long term in Arizona for whatever reason. He just looks like a guy I could see being out there the most and doing the most with it.
Shutout
Footballguy
It's not a myth. One thing about David Johnson is don't let the size fool you. He is LONG documented by every credible scout that has written on him that he simply is not a pile pusher.
But what he IS can still make the case for him because he catches so naturally that he could easily be lined up in GL and then put into motion and still be a viable threat.
