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Dynasty and Redraft: David Johnson Saints (2 Viewers)

The reason why I initially was intrigued with David Johnson is because of this tweet I saw back in February.

Go to the link that shows the historically rare athletic skills of DJ where he ranks 2nd ALL-TIME for ALL RBs who were tested at the combine.

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https://twitter.com/Marcus_Mosher/status/569670910476730368

Marcus Mosher‏@Marcus_Mosher Feb 22

David Johnson from Northern Iowa is one of the most explosive RBs the Combine has ever seen: http://all22breakdown.com/updated-rb-explosion-chart/ …

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I then started digging on the guy and yeah, the knock is he doesn't run hard between the tackles and I saw he really didn't look good/tough running between the tackles but in the 2nd preseason game he did look good on a few runs between the tackles which lead Arizona HC Bruce Arians to give him a back-handed compliment about him 'not dancing' (trying to bounce it outside).

http://www.azcentral.com/story/sports/nfl/cardinals/2015/08/23/arizona-cardinals-rookie-rb-david-johnson-runs-better-than-he-dances/32237815/

...“We had a nice talk about dancing,” Arians said. “He can go out on 'Dancing With the Stars' if he wants to dance. I thought he ran really, really well after that.”

Johnson gained 66 yards on 13 carries, a 5.1-yard average, all in the first half. But his first three carries went for 2 and 3 yards after Johnson didn’t read blocks and tried to bounce outside.

That’s not uncommon for rookie running backs, Arians said.

“That’s what they do in college,” he said. “They can usually outrun corners and linebackers. That’s not going to happen here.”

To his credit, Johnson adjusted quickly. When he needed to, he planted a foot and moved upfield. At 6-feet-1 and 224 pounds, Johnson creates considerable momentum, and he displayed a strong stiff-arm in the 22-19 loss to the Chargers.

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What I saw in the last game, whoa Nelly. This guy is so much better than Ellington catching the ball, he's better than ANY rookie RB I've ever seen catching the ball. He's amazing.

Ellington's strength was/is how he's used in the passing game but DJ is simply better in that role. Ellington only scored 3 rushing TDs last year and only averaged 3.3 yards per carry so outside of his pass catching role he doesn't hold a lot of value IMHO.

DJ has to work on blitz pickups. I noticed he was weak in that area and he really needs to improve his pass-pro. I need to see more of him as a runner but the Arizona offensive line looks awful.

I think he will learn pass protections and hopefully he'll continue to run hard between the tackles because I think this kid could really be something special.

 
Bracie Smathers said:
What I saw in the last game, whoa Nelly. This guy is so much better than Ellington catching the ball, he's better than ANY rookie RB I've ever seen catching the ball. He's amazing.
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Just a sample of why I think Arizona RB David Johnson is the best rookie RB I've ever seen catching the ball.

This is sick, check it out:

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Arizona Cardinals

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Yeah he caught it. David Johnson everyone. #CardsCamp​

 
Shutout said:
addicted2ff said:
Dr. Octopus said:
Milkman said:
He's a perfect fit in this offense too. 4-5 catches a game is possible. Combine that with the likely event he will be used at the GL and all that's in his way to being a strong RB2 is a 199 pound RB that ran for 3.3 ypc last year.
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Robert Hughes looks to be the short yardage back, so I'm not sure about that. As a Johnson owner, I hope so but despite his size he's not a great power runner.
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I think DJ is big enough and elusive enough that he will stay in at goal line when they're 3-4+ yards out, but if he can show that the rumor about him not being enough of a power runner is a myth he might just gobble them all up.
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It's not a myth. One thing about David Johnson is don't let the size fool you. He is LONG documented by every credible scout that has written on him that he simply is not a pile pusher.
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Here is the problem I've noticed with that statement. The scouts that actually watched his games don't write. The people who write and call themselves scouts, generally don't go to the games. They instead look at "tape". There is very little "tape" on Johnson. I don't see how it has been long documented when most probably first heard of him at the Senior Bowl.

If you watch the 3 games available online, you can see his lack of power is overblown. You have to look for it, but it's there. Like any college player, he turned a lot of his runs outside because he could. That isn't unique to him.

I thought his limited chances at blocking looked better this past game. Much more effort than in college.

 
Hoosier16 said:
Shutout said:
addicted2ff said:
Dr. Octopus said:
Milkman said:
He's a perfect fit in this offense too. 4-5 catches a game is possible. Combine that with the likely event he will be used at the GL and all that's in his way to being a strong RB2 is a 199 pound RB that ran for 3.3 ypc last year.
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Robert Hughes looks to be the short yardage back, so I'm not sure about that. As a Johnson owner, I hope so but despite his size he's not a great power runner.
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I think DJ is big enough and elusive enough that he will stay in at goal line when they're 3-4+ yards out, but if he can show that the rumor about him not being enough of a power runner is a myth he might just gobble them all up.
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It's not a myth. One thing about David Johnson is don't let the size fool you. He is LONG documented by every credible scout that has written on him that he simply is not a pile pusher.
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Here is the problem I've noticed with that statement. The scouts that actually watched his games don't write. The people who write and call themselves scouts, generally don't go to the games. They instead look at "tape". There is very little "tape" on Johnson. I don't see how it has been long documented when most probably first heard of him at the Senior Bowl.

If you watch the 3 games available online, you can see his lack of power is overblown. You have to look for it, but it's there. Like any college player, he turned a lot of his runs outside because he could. That isn't unique to him.

I thought his limited chances at blocking looked better this past game. Much more effort than in college.
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Pro Football Focus ‏@PFF Aug 28

David Johnson's 9 broken tackles on only 12 carries is the most we've ever seen in a preseason game.

 
addicted2ff said:
Dr. Octopus said:
Milkman said:
He's a perfect fit in this offense too. 4-5 catches a game is possible. Combine that with the likely event he will be used at the GL and all that's in his way to being a strong RB2 is a 199 pound RB that ran for 3.3 ypc last year.
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Robert Hughes looks to be the short yardage back, so I'm not sure about that. As a Johnson owner, I hope so but despite his size he's not a great power runner.
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I think DJ is big enough and elusive enough that he will stay in at goal line when they're 3-4+ yards out, but if he can show that the rumor about him not being enough of a power runner is a myth he might just gobble them all up.
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Not sure it's a myth. He ran soft in college in the game cutups I watched on line. He does have the size to change that though if he's coached up right and is taught to put his head down and drive forward.

 
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.Pro Football Focus‏@PFF Aug 28

5 fantasy rookies you should actually draft: 1. Tyler Lockett 2. David Johnson 3. Marcus Mariota Subscribe for all: http://bit.ly/1Ejm7so

David Johnson retweeted

Sportstars ‏@SPORTSTARSNYC Aug 28
Sportstars retweeted Pro Football Focus

#2 is a lock. You agree, @dajohnson7??

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Another gif showing the soft hands of DJ, this his TD catch Sunday Night. >>>>

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Arizona Cardinals ‏@AZCardinals Aug 30

The soft hands of #AZCardinals RB @dajohnson7 on display. #AZvsOAK | #SNF


 
DJ is big but as others have pointed out here, he doesn't have a rep as being a hard runner. I think him and AE will both get cracks at GL work.

 
I really really like his opportunity and even took this guy in one of my auction drafts.

Here's hoping he won't fumble and get the David Wilson treatment :thumbup:

 
Milkman said:
Well it's between 185 pound Ellington and 225 pound Johnson. I'll let you figure it out.
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I was an original voting card holder of the David Johnson fan club. I kicked the chocks on the band wagon. But I think that means either

A) Somebody in Arizona has FJAXs number

or

B) Chris Johnson. As much as I like to shovel dirt on CJnoK's carcass, he's always been a good inside runner and the way Arians runs the offense, he would be a dual-threat on the goal line.

 
Shutout said:
Milkman said:
Well it's between 185 pound Ellington and 225 pound Johnson. I'll let you figure it out.
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I was an original voting card holder of the David Johnson fan club. I kicked the chocks on the band wagon. But I think that means either

A) Somebody in Arizona has FJAXs number

or

B) Chris Johnson. As much as I like to shovel dirt on CJnoK's carcass, he's always been a good inside runner and the way Arians runs the offense, he would be a dual-threat on the goal line.
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Really? Early in his career he was very boom or bust (loss of 2, gain of 40). I'm not saying he's bad (I actually have no stats to prove it either way) but I noticed he only transitioned into a more physical inside runner when he lost his top-end speed (tail end of TEN career/with NYJ). If it were up to CJ, he would have avoided contact his entire career.

 
addicted2ff said:
Dr. Octopus said:
addicted2ff said:
I tried to tell you guys the whole "doesn't run hard between the tackles" thing is a myth but no one wanted to listen...
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When was it disproven?
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I mean if you can't connect the dots on this one then idk what to say.
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You could begin by connecting even one dot here.

You have made an unsubstantiated claim that David Johnson not running hard between the tackles is a myth.

Meanwhile if you read this thread you will see many people commenting on Johnsons lack of ability to navigate in tight quarters, he does not run with low enough pad level to burst through arm tackles and gets stacked up too easily because of it.

Now I have only seen three of Johnsons games and some preseason. Which isn't enough for me to conclusively judge what Johnson may have done in other games I have not seen. But my honest assessment of what I did see, Johnson did not look like a good inside runner to me. Others such as Greg Cosell have made similar observations as well, so what have you seen that makes you say we are just making stuff up?

These observations can be wrong of course. I thought Johnson looked very good at times this preseason. Some of my concern about his ability translating has been satisfied by seeing him be successful at the NFL level.

Johnson is an excellent receiver, but he runs like a receiver some times also. At least he did in College.

 
Biabreakable said:
addicted2ff said:
Dr. Octopus said:
addicted2ff said:
I tried to tell you guys the whole "doesn't run hard between the tackles" thing is a myth but no one wanted to listen...
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When was it disproven?
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I mean if you can't connect the dots on this one then idk what to say.
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You could begin by connecting even one dot here.

You have made an unsubstantiated claim that David Johnson not running hard between the tackles is a myth.

Meanwhile if you read this thread you will see many people commenting on Johnsons lack of ability to navigate in tight quarters, he does not run with low enough pad level to burst through arm tackles and gets stacked up too easily because of it.

Now I have only seen three of Johnsons games and some preseason. Which isn't enough for me to conclusively judge what Johnson may have done in other games I have not seen. But my honest assessment of what I did see, Johnson did not look like a good inside runner to me. Others such as Greg Cosell have made similar observations as well, so what have you seen that makes you say we are just making stuff up?

These observations can be wrong of course. I thought Johnson looked very good at times this preseason. Some of my concern about his ability translating has been satisfied by seeing him be successful at the NFL level.

Johnson is an excellent receiver, but he runs like a receiver some times also. At least he did in College.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qD6r7iMPo0

His highlights are from 1:35 to 1:55.

The way he runs and his skill set are very similar to Le'Veon Bell. Both of them are bigger backs but they keep their head up and look for the hole and cutback lane as opposed to a lot of bigger backs who just close their eyes and put their head down and crash into the line as fast/hard as they can. Just because that's their running style doesn't necessarily mean they can't get the tough yards inside when need be.

 
The ability to run well between the tackles depends heavily on the quality of your offensive line. Nobody on AZ right now is a good runner between the tackles.

 
addicted2ff said:
Dr. Octopus said:
addicted2ff said:
I tried to tell you guys the whole "doesn't run hard between the tackles" thing is a myth but no one wanted to listen...
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When was it disproven?
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I mean if you can't connect the dots on this one then idk what to say.
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I figured you wouldn't know what to say.

I'm not saying Johnson will always struggle running inside, like I said he has the size to to it but must be coached up properly, but if you watch his college games it's certainly not a myth. Releasing a fullback type that was averaging under two yards per carry this preseason doesn't say anything about David Johnson, other than that he's making the team. I have him on a dynasty rebuild so here's to hoping he's a three down stud RB.

 
addicted2ff said:
Biabreakable said:
addicted2ff said:
Dr. Octopus said:
addicted2ff said:
I tried to tell you guys the whole "doesn't run hard between the tackles" thing is a myth but no one wanted to listen...
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When was it disproven?
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I mean if you can't connect the dots on this one then idk what to say.
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You could begin by connecting even one dot here.

You have made an unsubstantiated claim that David Johnson not running hard between the tackles is a myth.

Meanwhile if you read this thread you will see many people commenting on Johnsons lack of ability to navigate in tight quarters, he does not run with low enough pad level to burst through arm tackles and gets stacked up too easily because of it.

Now I have only seen three of Johnsons games and some preseason. Which isn't enough for me to conclusively judge what Johnson may have done in other games I have not seen. But my honest assessment of what I did see, Johnson did not look like a good inside runner to me. Others such as Greg Cosell have made similar observations as well, so what have you seen that makes you say we are just making stuff up?

These observations can be wrong of course. I thought Johnson looked very good at times this preseason. Some of my concern about his ability translating has been satisfied by seeing him be successful at the NFL level.

Johnson is an excellent receiver, but he runs like a receiver some times also. At least he did in College.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qD6r7iMPo0

His highlights are from 1:35 to 1:55.

The way he runs and his skill set are very similar to Le'Veon Bell. Both of them are bigger backs but they keep their head up and look for the hole and cutback lane as opposed to a lot of bigger backs who just close their eyes and put their head down and crash into the line as fast/hard as they can. Just because that's their running style doesn't necessarily mean they can't get the tough yards inside when need be.
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Hey thanks for the link. Interesting comparison between Johnson and Bells running style. Bell became a much better player in his second season. Certainly possible Johnson learns as well.

Here are my observations of those two plays:

​The 13 yard run has some really good blocking (not something I see from the Cardinals often). They pull the TE and LG around to the left side. The LT blocks LB 56 3-4 yards downfield. The RG pulling around gets Ingram who is crashing down on the hole. He ends up bear hugging him a bit, but no call. Looking at the box there are 7 defenders all being blocked, the only defender free is Teo, who gets picked up by the TE pulling across. This leaves only the 2 safeties left to make the play. Number 90 does a spin move to disengage from his block and does get a hand on Johnson, but he is too slow to get a decent tackle on him. Once he clears 90 Johnson picks up about 8 yards when he is met by number 27. Johnson shies away from the tackle and turns his back to the defender. Big 97 gets involved and pushes Johnson and 27 forward, while 27 is wrapping up and holding on. This causes Johnson to get another five yards because of the momentum caused by 97. Otherwise 27 had him stopped short of the first down.

The second run is well blocked also. Johnson gets tackled by number 37 who comes in low. If Johnson had better pad level, he might have been able to break this tackle or at least provide a more difficult target. But because he is running so upright, the easiest way to get him down is to tackle him low.

I do hope Johnson has a successful career, and he has some great talent. Running inside is something that I think needs a lot of improvement.

 
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Stepfan Taylor is expected to take over as the Cardinals' short-yardage specialist.

Coach Bruce Arians previously declared FB/RB Robert Hughes the short-yardage back, but he was among Arizona's final cuts. Taylor could pose a threat to Andre Ellington's goal-line carries, but lacks standalone fantasy value.
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Dr. Octopus said:
Stepfan Taylor is expected to take over as the Cardinals' short-yardage specialist.

Coach Bruce Arians previously declared FB/RB Robert Hughes the short-yardage back, but he was among Arizona's final cuts. Taylor could pose a threat to Andre Ellington's goal-line carries, but lacks standalone fantasy value.
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It's possible but I'm skeptical because it's just a beat writer's opinion and Arians knew what he had in Taylor and yet prematurely declared Hughes the short yardage guy anyway. The only unknown in the equation was DJ.

 
Biabreakable said:
addicted2ff said:
Biabreakable said:
addicted2ff said:
Dr. Octopus said:
addicted2ff said:
I tried to tell you guys the whole "doesn't run hard between the tackles" thing is a myth but no one wanted to listen...
Click to expand...
When was it disproven?
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I mean if you can't connect the dots on this one then idk what to say.
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You could begin by connecting even one dot here.

You have made an unsubstantiated claim that David Johnson not running hard between the tackles is a myth.

Meanwhile if you read this thread you will see many people commenting on Johnsons lack of ability to navigate in tight quarters, he does not run with low enough pad level to burst through arm tackles and gets stacked up too easily because of it.

Now I have only seen three of Johnsons games and some preseason. Which isn't enough for me to conclusively judge what Johnson may have done in other games I have not seen. But my honest assessment of what I did see, Johnson did not look like a good inside runner to me. Others such as Greg Cosell have made similar observations as well, so what have you seen that makes you say we are just making stuff up?

These observations can be wrong of course. I thought Johnson looked very good at times this preseason. Some of my concern about his ability translating has been satisfied by seeing him be successful at the NFL level.

Johnson is an excellent receiver, but he runs like a receiver some times also. At least he did in College.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qD6r7iMPo0

His highlights are from 1:35 to 1:55.

The way he runs and his skill set are very similar to Le'Veon Bell. Both of them are bigger backs but they keep their head up and look for the hole and cutback lane as opposed to a lot of bigger backs who just close their eyes and put their head down and crash into the line as fast/hard as they can. Just because that's their running style doesn't necessarily mean they can't get the tough yards inside when need be.
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Hey thanks for the link. Interesting comparison between Johnson and Bells running style. Bell became a much better player in his second season. Certainly possible Johnson learns as well.

Here are my observations of those two plays:

​The 13 yard run has some really good blocking (not something I see from the Cardinals often). They pull the TE and LG around to the left side. The LT blocks LB 56 3-4 yards downfield. The RG pulling around gets Ingram who is crashing down on the hole. He ends up bear hugging him a bit, but no call. Looking at the box there are 7 defenders all being blocked, the only defender free is Teo, who gets picked up by the TE pulling across. This leaves only the 2 safeties left to make the play. Number 90 does a spin move to disengage from his block and does get a hand on Johnson, but he is too slow to get a decent tackle on him. Once he clears 90 Johnson picks up about 8 yards when he is met by number 27. Johnson shies away from the tackle and turns his back to the defender. Big 97 gets involved and pushes Johnson and 27 forward, while 27 is wrapping up and holding on. This causes Johnson to get another five yards because of the momentum caused by 97. Otherwise 27 had him stopped short of the first down.

The second run is well blocked also. Johnson gets tackled by number 37 who comes in low. If Johnson had better pad level, he might have been able to break this tackle or at least provide a more difficult target. But because he is running so upright, the easiest way to get him down is to tackle him low.

I do hope Johnson has a successful career, and he has some great talent. Running inside is something that I think needs a lot of improvement.
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Good point on the pad level needing work.

Ya I think their running styles are similar but obviously Bell is way more talented.

On those runs if you watch closely DJ ran where he did because of how the LBs were reacting to the play. On the first one he starts his run going off tackle to the left and once he sees that the linebacker #50 is too far outside he plants and cuts it upfield. On the second run he begins running off tackle to the right and notices that the linebacker #56 beats the pulling LG to the hole. Since the hole that the play was designed for was clogged he plants and cuts upfield again for a nice gain.

I think those runs show he's not just some guy who put up good combine numbers but also has the vision and instincts necessary to be a good NFL RB.

 
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Got this guy as a strict handcuff to Ellington in multiple leagues this year.

I was an owner of Ellington last year and he was force fed continuously, even though he wasn't healthy from the start.

I continue to think there is value here.

True, it may need an Ellington injury for it to begin, but I was under the plans of drafting him as a cuff to Ellington anyway, not necessarily for standalone value.

I can't help but think the Chris Johnson signing was mostly because of the injuries to their RB corps at the time. (namely a DJ hammy)

TZM

 
Biabreakable said:
addicted2ff said:
Biabreakable said:
addicted2ff said:
Dr. Octopus said:
addicted2ff said:
I tried to tell you guys the whole "doesn't run hard between the tackles" thing is a myth but no one wanted to listen...
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When was it disproven?
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I mean if you can't connect the dots on this one then idk what to say.
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You could begin by connecting even one dot here.

You have made an unsubstantiated claim that David Johnson not running hard between the tackles is a myth.

Meanwhile if you read this thread you will see many people commenting on Johnsons lack of ability to navigate in tight quarters, he does not run with low enough pad level to burst through arm tackles and gets stacked up too easily because of it.

Now I have only seen three of Johnsons games and some preseason. Which isn't enough for me to conclusively judge what Johnson may have done in other games I have not seen. But my honest assessment of what I did see, Johnson did not look like a good inside runner to me. Others such as Greg Cosell have made similar observations as well, so what have you seen that makes you say we are just making stuff up?

These observations can be wrong of course. I thought Johnson looked very good at times this preseason. Some of my concern about his ability translating has been satisfied by seeing him be successful at the NFL level.

Johnson is an excellent receiver, but he runs like a receiver some times also. At least he did in College.
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6qD6r7iMPo0

His highlights are from 1:35 to 1:55.

The way he runs and his skill set are very similar to Le'Veon Bell. Both of them are bigger backs but they keep their head up and look for the hole and cutback lane as opposed to a lot of bigger backs who just close their eyes and put their head down and crash into the line as fast/hard as they can. Just because that's their running style doesn't necessarily mean they can't get the tough yards inside when need be.
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Hey thanks for the link. Interesting comparison between Johnson and Bells running style. Bell became a much better player in his second season. Certainly possible Johnson learns as well.

Here are my observations of those two plays:

​The 13 yard run has some really good blocking (not something I see from the Cardinals often). They pull the TE and LG around to the left side. The LT blocks LB 56 3-4 yards downfield. The RG pulling around gets Ingram who is crashing down on the hole. He ends up bear hugging him a bit, but no call. Looking at the box there are 7 defenders all being blocked, the only defender free is Teo, who gets picked up by the TE pulling across. This leaves only the 2 safeties left to make the play. Number 90 does a spin move to disengage from his block and does get a hand on Johnson, but he is too slow to get a decent tackle on him. Once he clears 90 Johnson picks up about 8 yards when he is met by number 27. Johnson shies away from the tackle and turns his back to the defender. Big 97 gets involved and pushes Johnson and 27 forward, while 27 is wrapping up and holding on. This causes Johnson to get another five yards because of the momentum caused by 97. Otherwise 27 had him stopped short of the first down.

The second run is well blocked also. Johnson gets tackled by number 37 who comes in low. If Johnson had better pad level, he might have been able to break this tackle or at least provide a more difficult target. But because he is running so upright, the easiest way to get him down is to tackle him low.

I do hope Johnson has a successful career, and he has some great talent. Running inside is something that I think needs a lot of improvement.
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Great breakdown, I felt like I was watching that NFC Playbook show (or whatever it is called) on NFLN.

 
In redraft, are people concerned how much work he'll get with Ellington and CJ? on the roster? I like him long term, but question how much fantasy-relevance he can have with two other experienced backs there. Thoughts?

 
DJ will likely start getting more & more touches as the season goes on. Terrific prospect with a sky high ceiling in dynasty leagues, but it may take awhile in redraft.

Hard to say how long Arians sticks with Ellington/CJ. DJ could get plenty of touches week 1 or it might be midseason or so.

 
Bruce Arians scares me a little but I anticipate DJ playing his way into a significant role on this team by midseason.

 
Football Jones said:
DJ will likely start getting more & more touches as the season goes on. Terrific prospect with a sky high ceiling in dynasty leagues, but it may take awhile in redraft.

Hard to say how long Arians sticks with Ellington/CJ. DJ could get plenty of touches week 1 or it might be midseason or so.
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Ellington was really hamped last year with his foot. He is healthy this year and expected to have a great year

 
bulger2holt said:
Football Jones said:
DJ will likely start getting more & more touches as the season goes on. Terrific prospect with a sky high ceiling in dynasty leagues, but it may take awhile in redraft.

Hard to say how long Arians sticks with Ellington/CJ. DJ could get plenty of touches week 1 or it might be midseason or so.
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Ellington was really hamped last year with his foot. He is healthy this year and expected to have a great year
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lol I don't think so......

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/nfl/8388/andre-ellington

Whispers of a RBBC already. David Johnson has already impressed imo and it's only a matter of time.

 
Can't wait to see him break off a long one against the Saints this weekend, as long as the Saints still win that is,

Believe the HYPE.

 
Milkman said:
Chaka said:
addicted2ff said:
DJ takeover might be happening sooner than I thought :thumbup:
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What makes you say that?
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Because Arians is already hinting Ellington has a short leash. Plus DJ is the best RB on the team.
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I agree. When you look at how he plays you can see all he needs is opportunity. I really think this one is going to come down to situational luck. If Ellington stays healthy all year and/or David Johnson doesn't, then Ellington will be the guy and they won't rush to press the issue with Johnson but if Ellington gets hurt early, I think the frustration of that could spill over and Johnson could just take this and run with it and never look back. There is already a bit of a knock on Ellington being able to sustain health. If Johnson somehow shows up and is really durable, I think it all just shifts to him by default.

 
I think it is not so common to see rookies step in and take jobs away from trusted veterans. I also think that with C.Johnson on the team even in the likely event of an Ellington injury we will see a Johnson&Johnson time share. I think that will be the case even without an Ellington injury but the J&J timeshare will be of a much smaller piece of the pie.

 
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The link I posted alludes to that. Ellington certainly isn't going to run for 3.3 ypc all year.
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This? The blue are the only actual quotes. I think in 99.99999% of all threads people would be attacking Roto for their conclusion from those quotes.

Cardinals OC Harold Goodwin acknowledges that Andre Ellington will start Sunday's opener, but says touches between Ellington, Chris Johnson and David Johnson will depend on game flow.Goodwin says he feels "pretty good" about his running back trio. "As long as we can open holes, we’ve got some potential to get some home runs in there." Ellington should get an opportunity to establish the hot hand, but coach Bruce Arians sounds like he won't hesitate to go to the Johnsons if Ellington is running into brick walls the way he did in 2014. Ellington is the only viable re-draft play for Week 1, but that could change for Week 2. We have Chris ranked ahead of David for Sunday. Sep 10 - 8:15 PM
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Ok well my statement still stands. Ellington will not run for 3.3 ypc again this year. One way or another.

 
Chaka said:
Milkman said:
The link I posted alludes to that. Ellington certainly isn't going to run for 3.3 ypc all year.
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This? The blue are the only actual quotes. I think in 99.99999% of all threads people would be attacking Roto for their conclusion from those quotes.

Cardinals OC Harold Goodwin acknowledges that Andre Ellington will start Sunday's opener, but says touches between Ellington, Chris Johnson and David Johnson will depend on game flow.Goodwin says he feels "pretty good" about his running back trio. "As long as we can open holes, we’ve got some potential to get some home runs in there." Ellington should get an opportunity to establish the hot hand, but coach Bruce Arians sounds like he won't hesitate to go to the Johnsons if Ellington is running into brick walls the way he did in 2014. Ellington is the only viable re-draft play for Week 1, but that could change for Week 2. We have Chris ranked ahead of David for Sunday. Sep 10 - 8:15 PM
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Not to mention that you asked for a quote from Arians and this is from the OC. Obviously, you would expect them to be in lockstep, but this is -not- straight from the horse's mouth.

 
tangfoot said:
Chaka said:
Milkman said:
The link I posted alludes to that. Ellington certainly isn't going to run for 3.3 ypc all year.
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This? The blue are the only actual quotes. I think in 99.99999% of all threads people would be attacking Roto for their conclusion from those quotes.

Cardinals OC Harold Goodwin acknowledges that Andre Ellington will start Sunday's opener, but says touches between Ellington, Chris Johnson and David Johnson will depend on game flow.Goodwin says he feels "pretty good" about his running back trio. "As long as we can open holes, we’ve got some potential to get some home runs in there." Ellington should get an opportunity to establish the hot hand, but coach Bruce Arians sounds like he won't hesitate to go to the Johnsons if Ellington is running into brick walls the way he did in 2014. Ellington is the only viable re-draft play for Week 1, but that could change for Week 2. We have Chris ranked ahead of David for Sunday. Sep 10 - 8:15 PM
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Not to mention that you asked for a quote from Arians and this is from the OC. Obviously, you would expect them to be in lockstep, but this is -not- straight from the horse's mouth.
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It's not from Arians and it really doesn't indicate anything as it relates to the Roto editorial about the quote. Maybe there is a longer quote that applies but their analysis just seems like a non-sequitur.

 
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