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I'm hanging on in mini dynasty, hoping he gets traded and has enough left to be the main guy again, like on the Pats. Having said that, what a disappointment and yes, at times, he looks like he's carrying a piano but  I'm assuming he's partly injured. His pass catching ability is a big plus. What do you guys think re: dynasty? Must hold or cut bait?

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Not dynasty, but two person keeper league.  I am holding just in case as well.  Also holding Chase Edmonds in case they trade DJ and Drake moves in the off-season.  DJ to pats would be awesome, but I doubt that happens.  DJ to the bucs would be interesting, reunite with BA

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Cardinals GM Steve Keim wouldn't commit to bringing back David Johnson in 2020.

Those are the kind of conversations that will certainly be held internally," said Keim when asked if the team would consider moving on from Johnson this offseason. "We'll take a deep dive into this roster and take a look at every guy." The soon-to-be 28-year-old (his birthday is Monday) hasn't brought much to the table this year, averaging an underwhelming 3.8 yards per carry while settling in as Kenyan Drake's backup. The declining vet could probably benefit from a change of scenery, though it's unlikely he'll ever return to his dominant 2016 form.

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DJ in Tampa makes a lot of sense, which is probably why it won’t happen.

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2 hours ago, zamboni said:

Cardinals GM Steve Keim wouldn't commit to bringing back David Johnson in 2020.

Those are the kind of conversations that will certainly be held internally," said Keim when asked if the team would consider moving on from Johnson this offseason. "We'll take a deep dive into this roster and take a look at every guy." The soon-to-be 28-year-old (his birthday is Monday) hasn't brought much to the table this year, averaging an underwhelming 3.8 yards per carry while settling in as Kenyan Drake's backup. The declining vet could probably benefit from a change of scenery, though it's unlikely he'll ever return to his dominant 2016 form.

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DJ in Tampa makes a lot of sense, which is probably why it won’t happen.

His cap hit is $14,250,000 for 2020, and he can be cut before the 2021 season with only $3 million dead cap.  Is that cap figure for 2020 reasonable to swing in a trade?  I have a tough time figuring these things out.  I know the cap is projected to go up by $10-15 million or so.

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I think he could easily make the transition to WR and be really good.

They used him last week against the Steelers and he posted up for the TD.

Larry Fitzgerald wants to play but he's 40 and not getting better.  

They have Kirk but no one other than Fitz is established.  

If he got moved to WR he could be a FF weapon since he would 'likely' still get lined up as a RB and get carries.

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On 12/14/2019 at 11:15 AM, Bracie Smathers said:

I think he could easily make the transition to WR and be really good.

They used him last week against the Steelers and he posted up for the TD.

Larry Fitzgerald wants to play but he's 40 and not getting better.  

They have Kirk but no one other than Fitz is established.  

If he got moved to WR he could be a FF weapon since he would 'likely' still get lined up as a RB and get carries.

Tom Kessenich@TomKessenich

He was damn good when used properly in the passing game. If he gets to a team that will use him there he can regain his RB1 value. Think James White with more rushing & TD production.

Rotoworld Football@Rotoworld_FB

Cardinals expected to release David Johnson http://dlvr.it/RPTRX9

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29 minutes ago, Bracie Smathers said:

Tom Kessenich@TomKessenich

He was damn good when used properly in the passing game. If he gets to a team that will use him there he can regain his RB1 value. Think James White with more rushing & TD production.

Rotoworld Football@Rotoworld_FB

Cardinals expected to release David Johnson http://dlvr.it/RPTRX9

To me he looked like a guy running with a jacked up back - hopefully he's healthy for 2020. I'm sure most will connect dots and see him landing in Tampa Bay next year, which would of course be a pretty sweet landing spot assuming they either bring back Winston or find a free agent QB they like.

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6 minutes ago, Dr. Octopus said:

To me he looked like a guy running with a jacked up back - hopefully he's healthy for 2020. I'm sure most will connect dots and see him landing in Tampa Bay next year, which would of course be a pretty sweet landing spot assuming they either bring back Winston or find a free agent QB they like.

Here is his injury history with a projection of the 'likely hood' for injury this upcoming season.

Sports Injury Predictor Injury Predictions INJURY PREDICTIONS  Fantasy Projections RESEARCH

I don't see back injury on this list did he injure his back?

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4 minutes ago, Bracie Smathers said:

Here is his injury history with a projection of the 'likely hood' for injury this upcoming season.

Sports Injury Predictor Injury Predictions INJURY PREDICTIONS  Fantasy Projections RESEARCH

I don't see back injury on this list did he injure his back?

Yes - in a game where he left early.

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Coach Kliff Kingsbury said David Johnson has "obviously" been hampered by the back and ankle injuries he's been dealing with this season.

Kingsbury added that Johnson is "still working through those and getting a feel for it." More troubling was Kingsbury's admittance that Kenyan Drake worked ahead of Johnson down the stretch because, "We just felt like with Drake, needed to get something going and kept him rolling." The Cardinals' first-year coach said he'll figure out the best role for both Johnson and Drake "over the next few weeks" and then "run with it." Johnson hasn't looked to be anything close to 100% in recent weeks, struggling to get the edge or provide anything resembling his usual burst. It wouldn't be surprising to see Drake work as the offense's lead back sooner rather than later.

 

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David Johnson (ankle, back) was not seen during the open portion of Thursday's practice.

Ankle and back woes limited Johnson to two snaps in last week's win over the Giants. At this point, it would be a stunner if he suited up against New Orleans. Coming off a three-touchdown breakout in Week 7, Chase Edmonds should flirt with RB1 status Sunday in the Big Easy. Foreshadowing Johnson's expected absence, the Cards added Alfred Morris and Zach Zenner as backfield depth earlier this week.

 

 

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Just now, Dr. Octopus said:

Yes - in a game where he left early.

OK.  I think  that site only gives major injuries since it only lists three.

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2 minutes ago, Bracie Smathers said:

OK.  I think  that site only gives major injuries since it only lists three.

I added some quotes - that site had nothing from 2019 where he clearly missed games.

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34 minutes ago, Dr. Octopus said:

To me he looked like a guy running with a jacked up back - hopefully he's healthy for 2020. I'm sure most will connect dots and see him landing in Tampa Bay next year, which would of course be a pretty sweet landing spot assuming they either bring back Winston or find a free agent QB they like.

Definitely seems like a strong possibility.  Although even there I'd think he won't get close to his past production. 

Although I'd bet on the Steelers at least kicking the tires. 

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He looked so bad last year that he wasn't even fit to run in a reasonable college game. If he's healthy, he's decent. If he's not fit, forget it.

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9 hours ago, Dr. Octopus said:

To me he looked like a guy running with a jacked up back - hopefully he's healthy for 2020. I'm sure most will connect dots and see him landing in Tampa Bay next year, which would of course be a pretty sweet landing spot assuming they either bring back Winston or find a free agent QB they like.

If he doesnt end up with any interest from TB, it will be telling IMO

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15 hours ago, Bracie Smathers said:

Rotoworld Football@Rotoworld_FB

Cardinals expected to release David Johnson http://dlvr.it/RPTRX9

Looks like rotoworld pulled the report.  It was from a click-baity article that was taking crazy swings at stuff that could possibly happen.  To say it's "expected" was a pretty huge gaffe.  

I'm not sure it makes practical sense with the cap situation anyway.  

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7 hours ago, cockroach said:

Looks like rotoworld pulled the report.  It was from a click-baity article that was taking crazy swings at stuff that could possibly happen.  To say it's "expected" was a pretty huge gaffe.  

I'm not sure it makes practical sense with the cap situation anyway.  

Rotoworld has had some lazy/bad takes lately. But this is a pretty bad gaffe

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24 minutes ago, bicycle_seat_sniffer said:

if it could be done cap wise i could see a trade and or a release

Contract is guaranteed so cutting him won't help cap and only way I could see where they could deal him is they paid someone to take him, like the Osweiller deal.

I read a few weeks ago, can't recall from who, that the role he would play in Arizona next year if he returns would look more like an H-back then RB.

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On 2/7/2020 at 4:21 PM, menobrown said:

Contract is guaranteed so cutting him won't help cap and only way I could see where they could deal him is they paid someone to take him, like the Osweiller deal.

I read a few weeks ago, can't recall from who, that the role he would play in Arizona next year if he returns would look more like an H-back then RB.

It wouldn't help the cap this year, but it would help in future years because he would be off the books. I think they will just cut him. They have more than enough room to do so. If I were them, I would be concerned about a situation whereby a malcontent backup RB was making considerably more than the franchise back (presumably Drake).

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Have to cut him prior to 3/20 or part of his 2021 salary becomes fully guaranteed ($2.1M.) I did not think they would a few months ago but given that and the ability to spread the cap hit between 2 years if they designate him a post-June 1st cut it's a definite possibility. That gives them some relief this year for the hit plus if he signs somewhere else his new salary will slightly offset what they owe.

I can't see someone trading him for him unless they send a pick with him like someone related with Brock Osweiler. They have repeatedly said they won't trade Patrick Peterson but a package deal with DJ would be a tantalizing offer for many teams IMO.

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On 2/7/2020 at 9:21 AM, menobrown said:

Contract is guaranteed so cutting him won't help cap and only way I could see where they could deal him is they paid someone to take him, like the Osweiller deal.

I read a few weeks ago, can't recall from who, that the role he would play in Arizona next year if he returns would look more like an H-back then RB.

NFLCardinals’ David Johnson’s contract will make it tough to release him

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15 hours ago, Faust said:

Yes, but the bigger picture is:

 

* they have the cap room to release him

* better to grasp the nettle and do it now than next year and incur further cap hits

* having him still on the roster will impact attempts to re-sign Drake because Drake will want more money than his backup

* he's not Kingsbury's guy, a coach building a new team will want to clear out the old guard

* he's already getting old for a RB (28 next season) so clearly not the future

* GMs (like Keim) are more inclined to make "difficult" decisions when things are going well (the same logic applies to politicians), right now he is golden because he drafted Murray so he will calculate it is good time to do it

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I agree the prudent thing would be to rip the DJ band-aid off now and continue to rebuild, rather than build momentum this year and have to deal with it next year.

Of course, we’re not privy to all the other team factors that Keim and Kingsbury have to deal with.

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Speaking Friday morning on 98.7 Arizona Sports, Cardinals GM Steve Keim said cutting David Johnson is "not an option."

Keim added that "you can't have just one back." The long-time Cardinals workhorse was essentially benched last season, fighting for scraps down the stretch behind trade acquisition Kenyan Drake. While Drake is headed for free agency, there appears to be mutual interest in a reunion. The reality is Johnson's exorbitant salary in 2020 makes him near impossible to release (it would leave behind a whopping $16.2 million in dead money) and similarly difficult to trade. Slowed by injuries and ineffectiveness, the declining 28-year-old has slumped to a pedestrian 3.6 yards per carry since breaking out for a career-best 20 touchdowns in 2016.

SOURCE: Darren Urban on Twitter

Feb 14, 2020, 10:30 AM ET

 

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Cutting David Johnson would only save $3.15M. That's $1.05M in roster bonuses that he's owed during this year, plus $2.1M of his 2021 contract that becomes guaranteed if he is on the roster March 19th.

His $10.2M base salary for this year is fully guaranteed, so the only way to save that money would be to trade him.

There is also $6M of signing bonus that he was paid that hasn't counted against cap yet, which by default will count $3M this year and $3M next year (but would accelerate to all count this year if they cut or trade him).

His full 2021 salary is $9M (including roster bonuses), so if the $2.1M becomes guaranteed then they could still cut him after this year to save the other $6.9M.

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I would have expected Keim to say that he is not going to cut him. It would make sense to try to get whatever he can for him in compensation (and salary cap relief) via trade. If he says he is going to cut him he kills any market for a trade. I still think he will eventually cut him after no-one trades for him.

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Speaking Tuesday, Cardinals GM Steve Keim said David Johnson is "a guy we still value."

"I think because of the success that Kenyan (Drake) had, because of the success Chase (Edmonds) had, I think that's something that will be a chip on his shoulder," Keim said of his highly-paid back. "He's going to want to come back and play well and again because of his skill-set. ... We certainly think he can jump back in and do some good things for us." The reality is, the decision has already been made for Arizona, as releasing Johnson would be cost-prohibitive. The Cards clearly want to re-sign Kenyan Drake, but Johnson's deal might make it impossible.

SOURCE: azcardinals.com

Feb 25, 2020, 4:21 PM ET

 

 

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On 2/17/2020 at 2:42 PM, ahartig said:

Is a reunion with BA in TB still a possibility? Not sure what the bucs cap looks like.

I’m hoping so. BA loved him, but who really knows. DJ’s contract makes it almost impossible to pull of a trade, and the Cards would kind of screw themselves by cutting him, but dang, Tampa seems like a match made in heaven. 

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12 minutes ago, kutta said:

 BA loved him

From yesterday:

 

@gregauman

 

Arians said he puts a premium on running backs who can catch, that way they stay on the field on third down. "Edgerrin James never came off the field. Marshall Faulk never came off the field. For me, I'm looking for that type of guy. David Johnson-type guy. I can't use his name."

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Could DJ void his contract to facilitate a trade so he actually plays?  I assume this is possible but unlikely as he would not get near the same amount of money he is currently guaranteed, but still.  DJ seems like smart guy and one that is not content sitting on the sidelines when he got a taste of being a feature back......at what point does money not matter?  I'm sue he would still get a nice contract somewhere else and I can see DJ continuing his career off the field as an announcer or coach.

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On 2/26/2020 at 5:23 PM, menobrown said:

@gregauman

 

Arians said he puts a premium on running backs who can catch, that way they stay on the field on third down. "Edgerrin James never came off the field. Marshall Faulk never came off the field. For me, I'm looking for that type of guy. David Johnson-type guy. I can't use his name."

I can't use his name, what does that mean?

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1 minute ago, ahartig said:

I can't use his name, what does that mean?

I assume he meant tampering but really is only doing Arizona a favor talking him up.

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44 minutes ago, ahartig said:

Could DJ void his contract to facilitate a trade so he actually plays?  I assume this is possible but unlikely as he would not get near the same amount of money he is currently guaranteed, but still.  DJ seems like smart guy and one that is not content sitting on the sidelines when he got a taste of being a feature back......at what point does money not matter?  I'm sue he would still get a nice contract somewhere else and I can see DJ continuing his career off the field as an announcer or coach.

If he was a smart guy he would not be voiding his sweet contract at 29 years old and the finish line to his career in sight.

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23 minutes ago, Dr. Octopus said:

If he was a smart guy he would not be voiding his sweet contract at 29 years old and the finish line to his career in sight.

He just turned 28 in December

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2 minutes ago, bostonfred said:

He just turned 28 in December

Thanks - but same thought process applies. 

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1 minute ago, Dr. Octopus said:

Thanks - but same thought process applies. 

I'm not arguing with you, just saying that people seem to think he's dead and there's a lot of reason to think that's not true.  

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52 minutes ago, bostonfred said:

I'm not arguing with you, just saying that people seem to think he's dead and there's a lot of reason to think that's not true.  

I didn't think you were. That was a sincere "thanks". I actually think he was injured last year and has a good chance to bounce back with health - he looked like a guy trying to run with a jacked up back.

I still think it wouldn't be a smart move for him financially to waive his contract following a season like that/ I also don't see how Arizona can afford to re-sign Drake so I don't think he really needs to go anywhere else to get back on the field.  

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If I am David Johnson there is no way I am waiving that fat contract at this point in his career. He is now past his days of getting a big long term contract. Collect your money on that contract because moving forward you are probably on an incentive laden contract at 1-2 years.

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Aaron Wilson

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Texans exploring trade options, including Arizona Cardinals running back David Johnson, according to league sources. One of four teams interested in him

 

 

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Rotoworld take:

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Houston Chronicle's Aaron Wilson reports the Texans have interest in trading for David Johnson.

The Texans are reportedly one of four teams with "interest in" Johnson. Cardinals GM Steve Keim said Johnson is "a guy we still value" but his actions say otherwise. The Cardinals just placed the transition tag on Kenyan Drake, which likely means he'll be back as the lead back in Arizona for the 2020 season, and Johnson was a pure backup down the stretch last season. A trade for the former Pro Bowler could be tricky given his enormous contract, but we certainly won't rule it out.

RELATED: 

Houston Texans

SOURCE: Aaron Wilson on Twitter

Mar 16, 2020, 11:52 AM ET

 

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2 minutes ago, menobrown said:

Traded to Texans per Shefter

Really odd fit. Houston is one of the few teams that already had a RB that is as dangerous as David Johnson in the receiving game.

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