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Just now, timschochet said:

I do have privilege. I have white privilege. 

Thats not the only privilege you have.

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I'm glad my sister and I left the city yesterday. Hopefully we can return before too long

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4 minutes ago, Summer Wheat said:

And black people hate you.  And don't say "But I have a black friend"  I am talking in general.

According to CNN’s Van Jones, he fits this mold perfect being a white Hillary Clinton voter.

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CNN’s Van Jones said a “white, liberal Hillary Clinton supporter” could pose a bigger threat to African Americans than the Ku Klux Klan on Friday morning when discussing the state of race relations in the United States following the violent protests that erupted in Minneapolis, and the false accusations made against an African-American man by a white woman in Central Park in New York City.

“It’s not the racist white person, who is in the Ku Klux Klan that we have to worry about. It’s the white, liberal Hillary Clinton supporter walking her dog in Central Park who would tell you right now, 'Oh I don’t see race, race is no big deal to me, I see all people the same, I give to charities’ but the minute she sees as black man who she does not respect, or who she has a slight thought against, she weaponized race like she had been taught by the Aryan Nation,” Jones said. “A Klan member could not have been better trained to pick up her phone and tell the police it’s a black man.”

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/media/cnn-van-jones-white-liberal-hillary-clinton-supporter-scarier-kkk.amp

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1 hour ago, Challenge Everything said:

Also, how many posters or others not on the boards or even commentators have said they will revolt, riot, call to arms, this November if Trump loses, or elections are in question, or things don't go their way. It's all okay when the shoe is on the other foot.

Wat?  :lol: Are you feeling ok. 

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1 minute ago, Widbil83 said:

According to CNN’s Van Jones, he fits this mold perfect being a white Hillary Clinton voter.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/media/cnn-van-jones-white-liberal-hillary-clinton-supporter-scarier-kkk.amp

Van Jones has always been "woke" in terms of racial relations.

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12 minutes ago, Summer Wheat said:

And black people hate you.  And don't say "But I have a black friend"  I am talking in general.

Black women love me. It's the red hair.  

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1 hour ago, timschochet said:

This is simply awful. Yes I want change. Yes I want an end to systemic racism, But burning things down and anarchy will never achieve that. 
And it makes no sense. You burn down some small business: a nail salon, an insurance office, a dry cleaners: how is that fighting against government oppression? 

The same way destroying the private property of the East India company was. 

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22 minutes ago, timschochet said:

We don’t not have a general problem of police mistreatment in this country. As a general rule while people are treated great by police. When I am stopped by a policeman I feel totally safe. I have no fear of being shot. I don’t have to give my kids “the talk”. It’s minorities who have something to fear, not the general population. 

Not claiming that race isn't a compounding factor, but many poor whites do not feel they are safe when stopped by a policemen or believe they are treated well by police in general.

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3 minutes ago, shader said:

The protests were nationwide.  I don’t get the out of state thing and why it matters.

I tend to think it’s political posturing. “Our City is great we would never do this, it’s all those people from other cities and states coming here”

I don’t buy it.  But again, even if it’s true, a lot of it is just people flocking to an area where something bad happened that angered them.  

Ding ding ding. 

People got stupid in MKE last night. It wasnt people from out of state. It wasnt antifa. It wasnt white supremacists. 

It was the same people that would have gone and stolen a car in the burbs or trashed a local business with a few of their friends. 

They just happen to all be together last night so the mob mentality made it worse and focused on one place. 

 

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4 minutes ago, Death Bytes said:

The same way destroying the private property of the East India company was. 

A corner dry cleaner and an Amazon of its day are not the same at all. 

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2 hours ago, Summer Wheat said:

I never cared who kneeled but how did that kneeling protest work out for Mr. Floyd? During that time people were still getting beat and shot by police as nothing changed.  People can kneel all they want on TV as that is the easy part.  The hard part is on the actual streets.  Kneeling does nothing to prevent what happens in the streets every day.

That is part of the point...people had that much of a problem with peaceful protest...but no change occurred.  People march and chant...and no change occurs.  When you continue to yell and your voice is not heard, people turn to what we have seen...its sad.

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4 minutes ago, parasaurolophus said:

Ding ding ding. 

People got stupid in MKE last night. It wasnt people from out of state. It wasnt antifa. It wasnt white supremacists. 

It was the same people that would have gone and stolen a car in the burbs or trashed a local business with a few of their friends. 

They just happen to all be together last night so the mob mentality made it worse and focused on one place. 

 

:goodposting: Should have rounded them all up at once when we had the chance.  

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https://www.cnn.com/us/live-news/george-floyd-protests-05-30-20/index.htmlinteresting 

Anger boils over in more than 30 cities leaving a man dead in Detroit and an officer dead in Oakland after George Floyd's death

 

Congrats to everyone who supports the riots/looting/violence - more innocent people dead which everyone knows is what happens when riots/looting/violence is allowed.

 

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24 minutes ago, timschochet said:

I do have privilege. I have white privilege. 

Here we go with the messaging again. There are millions and millions of middle/working class white Americans who don't feel privileged one bit.

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1 minute ago, sho nuff said:

That is part of the point...people had that much of a problem with peaceful protest...but no change occurred.  People march and chant...and no change occurs.  When you continue to yell and your voice is not heard, people turn to what we have seen...its sad.

so when gun owners pour into the streets with violence/rioting/looting to protest radical gun laws, you'll support us ?

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1 minute ago, Andy Dufresne said:

A corner dry cleaner and an Amazon of its day are not the same at all. 

So it's not the destruction of private property that matters, but the size of the private property that does. 

Okay, so what large private property should they be destroying to make it the same as the Boston Tea Party?

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1 hour ago, fantasycurse42 said:

He’s going to blame this on Democrats, CNN, fake news, deep state, etc etc in the hopes of gaining undecideds. I read his twitter just to get an idea of how he wants to spin things. Honestly, if someone is still undecided, sadly I believe his strategy could work.

The true problem with those protesting (and this goes for any protest) is that they struggle to have a clear message, lack organization, leadership, goals, demands, and they’re easily infiltrated by criminals. It’s almost always too much to overcome and execute. 

 

But they are going to turn around and use his words of when the looting starts the shooting starts...and today's tweets about vicious dogs and how the agents are "just waiting for action".  

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I have not been in this thread hardly at all lately. Like many, the feeling of being overwhelmed is difficult. I'm sad and angry and lots of other things. And to be honest, this thread does not help me there.

I hope this is a honda. But if not, this was good from President Obama.

Hoping you find peace and grace. 

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6 minutes ago, sho nuff said:

That is part of the point...people had that much of a problem with peaceful protest...but no change occurred.  People march and chant...and no change occurs.  When you continue to yell and your voice is not heard, people turn to what we have seen...its sad.

I agree than no change happened as it quickly turned into a NA protest debacle and people forgot fast what the original protest was even about. 

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2 minutes ago, Death Bytes said:

So it's not the destruction of private property that matters, but the size of the private property that does. 

Okay, so what large private property should they be destroying to make it the same as the Boston Tea Party?

Tossing some Kindles out the back of an Amazon truck.

Really, there is no comparison. The EIC had the tacit backing of the Crown so the Boston Tea Party was way closer to a political statement than burning down an Auto Zone is.

 

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The Boston Tea Party was a political and mercantile protest by the Sons of Liberty in Boston, Massachusetts, on December 16, 1773.[1] The target was the Tea Act of May 10, 1773, which allowed the British East India Company to sell tea from China in American colonies without paying taxes apart from those imposed by the Townshend Acts. 

 

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11 minutes ago, PhantomJB said:

Here we go with the messaging again. There are millions and millions of middle/working class white Americans who don't feel privileged one bit.

Just because they don't feel it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. 

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12 minutes ago, Stealthycat said:

so when gun owners pour into the streets with violence/rioting/looting to protest radical gun laws, you'll support us ?

Go back and read what I have said on the topic of violent protest and peaceful protest.  Then read that post again and ask if it says I support violence, rioting, and looting.

 

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7 minutes ago, Summer Wheat said:

I agree than no change happened as it quickly turned into a NA protest debacle and people forgot fast what the original protest was even about. 

Yes...and let me get set this straight.  Im talking about the of the actual protests...not the organized out of staters coming in to cause trouble.  I think there is an agenda there as well that is actually counter to what the real protest and anger is about.

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15 minutes ago, PhantomJB said:

Here we go with the messaging again. There are millions and millions of middle/working class white Americans who don't feel privileged one bit.

They may not feel it...but doesn't that mean there is none?

Ask them what they fear when they see blue lights in their rearview mirror?  Likely fear the ticket, the expense, insurance going up, or the inconvenience of going to court.

Ask many black men what they fear when they see blue lights.

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Speaking of gun owners...

Minnesota has over 300k permit to carry holders. That nobody has been shot in light of all this is amazing and gratifying to me.

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Just now, Andy Dufresne said:

Speaking of gun owners...

Minnesota has over 300k permit to carry holders. That nobody has been shot in light of all this is amazing and gratifying to be.

We'll see if that holds on "MAGA Night"

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4 minutes ago, the moops said:

Just because they don't feel it doesn't mean it doesn't exist. 

Go ahead. Try and cram down the thought to a law-abiding white blue collar worker that he/she should feel relatively privileged. See if it helps get them to join your cause.

Hint: it won't.

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1 minute ago, Slapdash said:

We'll see if that holds on "MAGA Night"

Hard to say, ANTIFA has been running around causing chaos the last few days, so hopefully they don't force the MAGA people to defend themselves.

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Just now, PhantomJB said:

Go ahead. Try and cram down the thought to a law-abiding white blue collar worker that he/she should feel relatively privileged. See if it helps get them to join your cause.

Hint: it won't.

I'm not telling them to feel anything. I'm just telling you that it is real.

 

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3 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said:

Speaking of gun owners...

Minnesota has over 300k permit to carry holders. That nobody has been shot in light of all this is amazing and gratifying to me.

I hope this continues to be true moving forward.

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1 minute ago, the moops said:

I'm not telling them to feel anything. I'm just telling you that it is real.

Please refer me to the post where I said it isn't real.

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20 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said:

 

Tossing some Kindles out the back of an Amazon truck.

Really, there is no comparison. The EIC had the tacit backing of the Crown so the Boston Tea Party was way closer to a political statement than burning down an Auto Zone is.

 

 

Let's break down Ben Franklin's response letter.

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Gentlemen: I received the Honour of your Letter dated Decr. 21, containing a distinct Account of the Proceedings at Boston relative to the Tea imported there, and of the Circumstances that occasioned its Destruction. I communicated the same to Lord Dartmouth, with some other Advices of the same import.

Here he is saying I'm doing my job as an ambassador. Your message has been delivered.

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It is yet unknown what Measures will be taken here on the Occasion; but the Clamour against the Proceedings is high and general. I am truly concern’d, as I believe all considerate Men are with you, that there should seem to any a Necessity for carrying Matters to such Extremity, as, in a Dispute about Publick Rights, to destroy private Property;

Here he is saying he is concerned, because any reasonable man does not see any need for the extremity of destroying private property over a public rights dispute. 

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This (notwithstanding the Blame justly due to those who obstructed the Return of the Tea) it is impossible to justify with People so prejudiced in favour of the Power of Parliament to tax America, as most are in this Country.

Here he is saying people here will never be convinced you were justified to destroy private property as they believe the government has done nothing wrong. 

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As the India Company however are not our Adversaries, and the offensive Measure of sending their Teas did not take its Rise with them, but was an Expedient of the Ministry to serve them and yet avoid a Repeal of the old Act,

Here he is saying two things: 1) the EIC is not our adversaries; and 2) what we Americans found offensive was not even their idea. They were ordered to do it by the government to serve the government. To call it a "tacit backing" flies in the face of everything Ben Franklin is saying. 

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I cannot but wish & hope that before any compulsive Measures are thought of here, our General court will have shewn a Disposition to repair the Damage and make Compensation to the Company. This all our Friends here wish with me; and that if War is finally to be made upon us, which some threaten, an Act or violent injustice on our part, unrectified, may not give a colourable Pretence for it. A speedy Reparation will immediately set us right in the Opinion of all Europe. And tho’ the Mischief was the Act of Persons unknown, yet as probably they cannot be found or brought to answer for it, there seems to be some reasonable Claim on the Society at large in which it happened. Making voluntarily such Reparation can be no Dishonour to us or Prejudice to our Claim or Rights, since Parliament here has frequently considered in the same Light similar Cases; and only a few Years since, when a valuable Saw-mill, which had been destroyed by a Number of Persons supposed to be Sawyers, but unknown, a Grant was made out of the Publick Treasury of Two Thousand Pounds to the Owner as a Compensation—I hope in thus freely (and perhaps too forwardly) expressing my Sentiments & Wishes, I shall not give Offence to any. I am sure I mean well; being over with sincere Affection to my native Country, and great Respect to the Assembly and yourselves,

Gentlemen, Your most obedient and most humble Servant

The rest of his letter above is Ben wanting the EIC to be compensated for the damage inflected to them. They were a private company who had their private property destroyed by the revolting colonists. 

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8 minutes ago, sho nuff said:

They may not feel it...but doesn't that mean there is none?

Ask them what they fear when they see blue lights in their rearview mirror?  Likely fear the ticket, the expense, insurance going up, or the inconvenience of going to court.

Ask many black men what they fear when they see blue lights.

Go back and read my other posts...I'm talking about protesting tactics to get the best support vs. ones that just p*ss off the very people you want as allies.

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Like @mcintyre1 this whole thing has been truly exhausting. To see the cities that are now my adopted home go up in flames and see pictures posted by friends who live in the thick of it. It is a just incredibly sad and disheartening and exhausting. 

Gonna go for a long bike ride right eh family to get away from it all. Which feels good but wrong in some ways. :kicksrock:

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14 minutes ago, sho nuff said:

They may not feel it...but doesn't that mean there is none?

Ask them what they fear when they see blue lights in their rearview mirror?  Likely fear the ticket, the expense, insurance going up, or the inconvenience of going to court.

Ask many black men what they fear when they see blue lights.

I, and that's just me.   I fear everything.   Interior lights turned on and both my hands on the wheel, window down, both times I've been pulled over.

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@Death Bytes I think all that supports my argument more than yours.

But if all you're saying about it being the same is that both examples, a corner dry cleaner and the BEIC are/were private companies, then I guess I agree with that.

But the differences are more significant than the similarities.

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1 hour ago, Challenge Everything said:

There are way too many posts and posters to sift through on this forum to go back 1, 2, 3, or more years even using keyword searches (although I haven't tried) however:

- “I think you’d have riots,” Trump told CNN on Wednesday.

- Violence in the name of Trump

- Riots aren't necessarily a bad thing.

I'm not going to go through all of Facebook, YouTube, and other social media sites but I'm sure Alex Jones and others had plenty to say when it comes to fighting or taking up arms if certain situations arose. Not to mention, Trump's own, "2nd Amendment people," is not a call for a silent protest.

And, just today...Trump White House dogs... this is advocating his own type of violence.

 

48 minutes ago, tonydead said:

Wat?  :lol: Are you feeling ok. 

Call out the ones you love. TIA

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1 hour ago, timschochet said:

We don’t not have a general problem of police mistreatment in this country. As a general rule while people are treated great by police. When I am stopped by a policeman I feel totally safe. I have no fear of being shot. I don’t have to give my kids “the talk”. It’s minorities who have something to fear, not the general population. 

What about minorities who are policed by people of the same color.   You seem to be OK if a black cop shoots a black person, or a white cop shoots a white person justified or not.   For many years Detroit has been one of the top cities for police shooting citizens..but they are a majority black police force with a black police chief  policing a majority black population.   So that is OK?

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16 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said:

@Death Bytes I think all that supports my argument more than yours.

But if all you're saying about it being the same is that both examples, a corner dry cleaner and the BEIC are/were private companies, then I guess I agree with that.

But the differences are more significant than the similarities.

I agree there are differences. But those differences are due to the 18th century and 21st century being different.

Destruction by the revolters in the 18th century has to be very strategic in order for the message to be heard 3000 miles away. If the 18th century revolters destroyed a bunch of corner taverns, a bunch of pissed off tavern owners in the colonies isn't going to get much of the concern of the government 3000 miles away. But a pissed of East India Company does.

In the 21st century, revolters don't have to destroy the property of a large company like Amazon or Apple to get their message heard, especially now that there is no ocean in between, and even if there were, social media would turn that ocean into a creek. A bunch of pissed off small business owners is more than enough in the 21st century. 

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1 minute ago, Death Bytes said:

I agree there are differences. But those differences are due to the 18th century and 21st century being different.

Destruction by the revolters in the 18th century has to be very strategic in order for the message to be heard 3000 miles away. If the 18th century revolters destroyed a bunch of corner taverns, a bunch of pissed off tavern owners in the colonies isn't going to get much of the concern of the government 3000 miles away. But a pissed of East India Company does.

In the 21st century, revolters don't have to destroy the property of a large company like Amazon or Apple to get their message heard, especially now that there is no ocean in between, and even if there were, social media would turn that ocean into a creek. A bunch of pissed off small business owners is more than enough 21st century. 

That is, if you think the small business owners will blame the government for their loss instead of the vandals that directly caused it. I find that really unlikely.

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1 hour ago, Widbil83 said:

According to CNN’s Van Jones, he fits this mold perfect being a white Hillary Clinton voter.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.foxnews.com/media/cnn-van-jones-white-liberal-hillary-clinton-supporter-scarier-kkk.amp

Lol. 
 

it’s really pathetic that some people here are incapable of offering rebuttal to argument, or engaging in serious discussion, but instead feel the need to always resort of personal attacks: against me, against @sho nuff, against @squistion, against anyone who makes a point that you have no real idea how to counter. 
I’m amused by your attempt to pigeonhole me, but more certain than ever in my convictions. 

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Just now, Andy Dufresne said:

That is, if you think the small business owners will blame the government for their loss instead of the vandals that directly caused it. I find that really unlikely.

I don't follow you at all. In each situation, the owners of the private property blame the rioters. The EIC blamed the revolting colonists. Today's business owners blame the revolting black population. 

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14 minutes ago, Da Guru said:

What about minorities who are policed by people of the same color.   You seem to be OK if a black cop shoots a black person, or a white cop shoots a white person justified or not.   For many years Detroit has been one of the top cities for police shooting citizens..but they are a majority black police force with a black police chief  policing a majority black population.   So that is OK?

Thanks for making an argument. 
I’m not OK with any of it. I’m not OK with wrongful actions period. What I’m OK with is the media focusing on stories that represent a greater pattern of events. IMO that is their proper function. 

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1 minute ago, Death Bytes said:

I don't follow you at all. In each situation, the owners of the private property blame the rioters. The EIC blamed the revolting colonists. Today's business owners blame the revolting black population. 

Yeah, I'm not getting your point either. But it's okay, truly. We see it differently but it's probably not important enough of a distinction to hash out.

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5 minutes ago, timschochet said:

Lol. 
 

it’s really pathetic that some people here are incapable of offering rebuttal to argument, or engaging in serious discussion, but instead feel the need to always resort of personal attacks: against me, against @sho nuff, against @squistion, against anyone who makes a point that you have no real idea how to counter. 
I’m amused by your attempt to pigeonhole me, but more certain than ever in my convictions. 

Why are you 3 always the victim?  And :lmao: about serious discussion with that group of people.   Have a good weekend

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I also don’t think the Tea Party is a good comparison. It would be if one corporation owned every building and business in Minneapolis, and if that corporation was quasi-governmental. But since none of that is the case the analogy is flawed IMO. 

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Just now, Ramblin Wreck said:

Why are you 3 always the victim?  And :lmao: about serious discussion with that group of people.   Have a good weekend

Good question. I’m not the one to ask, though. 

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1 minute ago, Ramblin Wreck said:

Why are you 3 always the victim?  

Oh and BTW only a couple of days ago you were the victim as I recall. I object to anyone being the victim: Let’s focus on issues rather than attack posters; hows that? 

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1 minute ago, Ramblin Wreck said:

Why are you 3 always the victim?  And :lmao: about serious discussion with that group of people.   Have a good weekend

Tim and the Twitter two.  Fighting back years of white privilege volume posting at FBGs.  

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I apologize in advance because I’m uninformed guy here - what’s the story with the events surrounding the death? I know Flyd was wanted for passing a $20 counterfeit bill. Did he struggle or fight at all during the course of the arrest? Was he arrested on the spot where he tried to pass the bill or was he tracked down later? Frankly the video and the aftermath have been so disturbing I’ve largely avoided the details of it. Anyway, TIA.

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