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Another killing at the hands of the Police (8 Viewers)
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Navin Johnson
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Stuart_Little
Footballguy
It's not all awful.
https://twitter.com/AndrewSolender/status/1266924387795709954
Some protestors in Brooklyn calling to loot the Target, but organizers are rushing in front of the store to stop them, keep things non-violent #nycprotest
https://twitter.com/RexChapman/status/1266737051757617155
As riots in Minneapolis continue, a center for low-income housing put out a call asking for food donations. This is how people responded. There was so much food it became a distribution center for anyone — at all — who needed it. Humanity.
https://twitter.com/AndrewSolender/status/1266924387795709954
Some protestors in Brooklyn calling to loot the Target, but organizers are rushing in front of the store to stop them, keep things non-violent #nycprotest
https://twitter.com/RexChapman/status/1266737051757617155
As riots in Minneapolis continue, a center for low-income housing put out a call asking for food donations. This is how people responded. There was so much food it became a distribution center for anyone — at all — who needed it. Humanity.
Stuart_Little
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We need more of this.
https://twitter.com/JoshuaPotash/status/1266895422397779968
In New Jersey police have literally started marching with protesters.
#BLACK_LIVES_MATTER
https://twitter.com/JoshuaPotash/status/1266926177878519809
Oh my God it’s happening in Flint too.
Protesters chanted: “WALK WITH US!!”
So the sheriff and his men joined the protest.
#GeorgeFloydProtests
https://twitter.com/JoshuaPotash/status/1266895422397779968
In New Jersey police have literally started marching with protesters.
#BLACK_LIVES_MATTER
https://twitter.com/JoshuaPotash/status/1266926177878519809
Oh my God it’s happening in Flint too.
Protesters chanted: “WALK WITH US!!”
So the sheriff and his men joined the protest.
#GeorgeFloydProtests
This is what we need. Stop protecting the bad apples. Quit giving them the security that you’ve got their back if they do something wrong. Change will only start to happen if it comes from within the police force.
Snorkelson
Footballguy
While I don’t disagree with the premise entirely, I think this is a big part of the problem. There are 3 armed officers vs 1 woman, and the answer was to sucker punch her in the temple rather than restrain and arrest. She looks out cold, dude that hit her was huge. The officer she hit wasn’t badly hurt or anything, there are lots of ways to handle this other than resorting to punching her.
PinkydaPimp
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I can tell you every organizational group i have seen has been for this. Please do not knock the entire protest because some idiots decided to take it to the next level. Also I’m seeing slot of non black people doing the escalations in some of these protests. Some even being named(not sure if true) as cops.
this is what happens when you let issues fester and go unaddressed. Maybe a lot of the folks in this thread will keep that same energy and use it towards some of the injustice that is happening to black folks in the country.
i won’t hold my breath though. 
ren hoek
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https://streamable.com/u2jzoo
Enough with these 'antifa extremists' that hate America standing on their porch
Enough with these 'antifa extremists' that hate America standing on their porch
Snorkelson
Footballguy
Again, one officer couldn’t be spared to walk up and address them like people?
“Hi, we really want everyone inside at this time, could you guys be good citizens and help us out here? It’s a dangerous situation and we want you to be safe.”
It’s also kind of a bad look having a line of armed men storming down the street hollering at people who are at home. Who came up with that plan? What would have happened if they remained on their porch? You going to arrest them? Fire tear gas at their house? “Light em up” some more? I don’t support looting and vandalism, and I don’t support this crap either.
ren hoek
Footballguy
Our Dem governor Andy Beshear has become a bit of an icon around here for his covid/lockdown response. Lot of women on facebook swooned and made little Andy Beshear templates to put their photo on. He has a gentle Mr. Rogers cadence in his press conferences.
Apparently he coordinated with Louisville mayor to install a national guard presence here to 'keep us safe'. Journalists have been shot at, cops have destroyed supplies and stolen bottled water, protesters have been assaulted. Is this the sort of wholesome response people can look forward to?
Apparently he coordinated with Louisville mayor to install a national guard presence here to 'keep us safe'. Journalists have been shot at, cops have destroyed supplies and stolen bottled water, protesters have been assaulted. Is this the sort of wholesome response people can look forward to?
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
Straight from the curfew FAQ on mn.gov:
“Can I be outside my house (on my property) after 8 p.m. and before 6 a.m.?
Yes.”
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
The FBI needs to find out who this person is and remove him from society.
https://twitter.com/demonhunter023/status/1266941632659808256
https://twitter.com/demonhunter023/status/1266941632659808256
That reminds me, we need to talk about this whole "protecting our own no matter what" idea that law enforcement apparently has, because that does not exist in the electrical field. We treat every repair as though the previous worker had no blessed clue what they were doing, and we double and triple check everything, because if we don't, someone could die from our own negligence. Now if we have to do this, why can't the police hold each other accountable to help save lives?
ren hoek
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https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/1266908354821206016
Imagine watching this and thinking the ####### protesters are the problem.
Imagine watching this and thinking the ####### protesters are the problem.
That infuriates me. There was no reason for those punks with badges to do that, he wasn't doing anything wrong.
Demilitarize the police. Retrain the police.
HellToupee
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Take it to the moderation threadSkoo said:
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Credit where it's due...Minnesota officials got it mostly right last night. Much less violence and they dispersed crowds with non-lethal force.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Also credit where it's due...of course isolated incidents like shooting whatever it was at someone on their porch and knocking over an old guy with a cane notwithstanding - thank God for the police and National Guard.
Without them, the criminal elements in these mobs would still be looting and burning - and probably worse. These people didn't become like this because of any one event. They're always there. And it's the Thin Blue Line that protects us from them. I'm sure they wish the Derek Chauvin's of the world weren't among their ranks as well since guys like him make their jobs more dangerous.
Without them, the criminal elements in these mobs would still be looting and burning - and probably worse. These people didn't become like this because of any one event. They're always there. And it's the Thin Blue Line that protects us from them. I'm sure they wish the Derek Chauvin's of the world weren't among their ranks as well since guys like him make their jobs more dangerous.
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Gawain
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Do you tell small business owners to just step aside?Skoo said:
https://www.reddit.com/r/Rochester/comments/gtu29d/husband_and_wife_beaten_with_2x4s_while_defending/
Skoo
Footballguy
What does that have to do with my post?
Those people are criminals. Criminals who should be in jail.
Not animals.
Not subhuman.
People.
JShare87
Footballguy
It seems like America has been telling the entire black community to “just step aside” while they kill countless innocent black people, for far too long. This entire situation is awful, but it’s time for a change. Is this the answer for change? I’m not sure. But peacefully kneeling at football games seemed to be an issue. It seems like we are out of options. What happened to the store owners is awful. But what happened to George Floyd and countless other black Americans is far worse.
Ramblin Wreck
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Stop comparing the acts and justifying one act because another is worse. They are both terrible. Just like the rioters and the bad cops are. The rioters are going to end up losing the message of the protesters in the end again. But at least they got free shoes and a phone
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
If you think that killing innocent black people is bad, then it shouldn't be that hard to affirm that beating innocent third parties with 2x4s is also bad without resorting to whataboutism.
Also, the race of the assailants isn't obvious in that video.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
Hmmmmmm. For those wondering who's behind such well coordinated chaos............Courtjester said:
I'm kidding. I think.
Gawain
Footballguy
These were business owners who attempted to deescalate and were beaten for their trouble. You stated the idea that business owners can defend their property is disgusting. So what else is there for a business owner to do?
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
Then don’t let the message get lost. There will always be someone that wants to disrupt the protest of make it look different or twist the message. None of the riots take away from the message those of us protesting are delivering.
I feel like insurance would cover a business in this situation, or at least it should. I might be wrong, though.
Witz
Footballguy
So when you loved the post above where the poster said he wasn’t sure if the violence against those shop keepers was the answer or not - what message were you trying to send?
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
There were 3 other officers that stood around and watched as Chauvin murdered a man. There were about 20 officers marching down the street that directly violated the explicit guidance/orders and opened fire on folks peacefully standing on their own porch. Officers arrested a CNN news crew for simply reporting what was going on and then repeatedly lied about the motivation.
Chauvin is definitely proving NOT to be a one off. This is clearly a systemic issue.
Challenge Everything
Footballguy
Her profile keeps growing. Her stature keeps getting stronger. When she is America's president, we will be a better union. AOC in 2024 or 2028 or 2032... it will happen with great success.timschochet said:
timschochet
Footballguy
This is, sadly, exactly right.
In 1992, the message was justice for those who beat up Rodney King. Then Reginald Denny, an innocent white truck driver, was dragged out of his truck and beaten. And the original message was lost.
Witz
Footballguy
Stealthycat
Footballguy
meanwhile
https://www.thv11.com/article/life/hundreds-demand-justice-during-peaceful-protests-in-little-rock/91-3e79e3e5-0401-4f30-a055-e6fe0e4a68c8
"We don't have to loot. We don't have to riot. We don't have to cause pain to our community, but just to uplift it," said the organizer of the protest.
I talked to my brother about this all yesterday and I think two good solutions would be #1 across the nation, any officer with more than 2 complaints needs to be evaluated heavily. #2 and more radical, never can a white police officer be in a dominantly black community nor a black officer in a dominantly white community .... white officers for whites, black officers for blacks, brown officers for browns etc
If this would have been a black skinned officer doing the same thing .... nobody would really have said much at all :(
https://www.thv11.com/article/life/hundreds-demand-justice-during-peaceful-protests-in-little-rock/91-3e79e3e5-0401-4f30-a055-e6fe0e4a68c8
"We don't have to loot. We don't have to riot. We don't have to cause pain to our community, but just to uplift it," said the organizer of the protest.
I talked to my brother about this all yesterday and I think two good solutions would be #1 across the nation, any officer with more than 2 complaints needs to be evaluated heavily. #2 and more radical, never can a white police officer be in a dominantly black community nor a black officer in a dominantly white community .... white officers for whites, black officers for blacks, brown officers for browns etc
If this would have been a black skinned officer doing the same thing .... nobody would really have said much at all :(
Andy Dufresne
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GoBirds
Footballguy
You’ve said much worse than that, just be glad it was only a week? He was referring to the actual criminals destroying businesses and police stations it appeared. With the way you talk about your own President it’s surprising this has you rattled.Skoo said:
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GoBirds
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timschochet
Footballguy
Even if I agreed with her most of the time, which frankly I don’t, I don’t want that.
She’s too partisan, too much an ideologue. I know people don’t like to hear this, but our best Preaidents have always been moderate and centrists who try to achieve change without antagonizing the other side.
GroveDiesel
Footballguy
Let’s not play this game. The folks who are legitimately angry and protesting and not just burning and looting are doing so for a reason. And it’s not just over one murder committed by a cop. People were coming out of the woodwork with stories of abuse/harassment by Minneapolis cops after this happened. Playing it all down and pretending that it’s just isolated incidents with no larger underlying problem just perpetuates the problem and injustice. If you want to create a powder keg by allowing systemic injustice to fester while telling the oppressed that they’re not really being oppressed, you don’t have the right to act shocked and offended when the powder keg erupts.
whoknew
Footballguy
Then why do they too often protect the Derek Chauvins? Why don't they speak up against them? Why don't they want them kicked out, prosecuted? Why do they call IA the "rat squad"?
If they so want the Chauvins out, then they need to stand up against them.
Challenge Everything
Footballguy
Great, she doesn't antagonize. She has given voice to a generation that sees financial injustices and speaks about people/corporations doing their fair share. Hopefully the 2020's will continue the Progressive movement for People. The fact that the Radical Right Wing bashes her every moment has helped her profile. The Radical Right will see her become President by a wide margin because, after all, she is for the People. Her message will not be stifled.
pollardsvision
Footballguy
Agreed. Although, we've apparently flipped the switch on the bolded.
That makes November even more interesting. The GOP is rolling out the man who's there because he antagonizes the other side the most. The Dems are rolling out the guy who antagonizes the other side the least.
I'm hoping the "pick the most antagonistic candidate" approach was a one off in 2016. But if it works again, it may be hard to go back.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
Not much information can be found on the people dying during the "protests" .......... why?
US cities face toll of violent protests that have left 3 dead, dozens injured, stores burned
California Gov. Gavin Newsom declared a state of emergency for Los Angeles County as hundreds of looters converged on downtown stores and clashed with cops. Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti announced a curfew for Saturday night after 500 people were arrested and five police officers were hurt as protests turned violent.
Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot imposed a curfew from 9 p.m. to 6 a.m. after hundreds of protesters gathered at Federal Plaza for a demonstration organized by Black Lives Matter. Police cars were set ablaze and covered with anti-cop graffiti and demonstrators were reportedly arrested near Trump Tower.
Some 13 Philadelphia police officers were injured and more than a dozen people arrested as cars were burned and businesses vandalized before midnight. Mayor Jim Kenney implemented a mandatory citywide curfew starting at 8 p.m. and lasting until 6 a.m.Sunday.
In Indianapolis, three people were shot and killed and at least two others wounded as protests morphed into mob violence, according to Police Chief Randal Taylor.
In Denver, a car rammed into a police vehicle, "severely" injuring three officers and a civilian and rioters armed with crowbars, baseball bats, assault rifles and handguns attacked cops and peaceful protesters, according to Police Chief Paul Pazen.
Washington Gov. Jay Inslee activated 200 National Guard members after rioting in Seattle intensified. After protesters shut down Interstate 5 through central Seattle, police used flash bangs and pepper spray to scatter them.
US cities face toll of violent protests that have left 3 dead, dozens injured, stores burned
California Gov. Gavin Newsom declared a state of emergency for Los Angeles County as hundreds of looters converged on downtown stores and clashed with cops. Los Angeles Mayor Eric Garcetti announced a curfew for Saturday night after 500 people were arrested and five police officers were hurt as protests turned violent.
Chicago Mayor Lori Lightfoot imposed a curfew from 9 p.m. to 6 a.m. after hundreds of protesters gathered at Federal Plaza for a demonstration organized by Black Lives Matter. Police cars were set ablaze and covered with anti-cop graffiti and demonstrators were reportedly arrested near Trump Tower.
Some 13 Philadelphia police officers were injured and more than a dozen people arrested as cars were burned and businesses vandalized before midnight. Mayor Jim Kenney implemented a mandatory citywide curfew starting at 8 p.m. and lasting until 6 a.m.Sunday.
In Indianapolis, three people were shot and killed and at least two others wounded as protests morphed into mob violence, according to Police Chief Randal Taylor.
In Denver, a car rammed into a police vehicle, "severely" injuring three officers and a civilian and rioters armed with crowbars, baseball bats, assault rifles and handguns attacked cops and peaceful protesters, according to Police Chief Paul Pazen.
Washington Gov. Jay Inslee activated 200 National Guard members after rioting in Seattle intensified. After protesters shut down Interstate 5 through central Seattle, police used flash bangs and pepper spray to scatter them.
PinkydaPimp
Footballguy
Please quote where that was said.
The message is to protest injustice and racism against blacks by the police and our systems. You can try your hardest to change it. Muddy the waters and shift blame so people forget about it. But no matter how many people loot that will still be the message.
whoknew
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