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Another killing at the hands of the Police (8 Viewers)
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gianmarco
Footballguy
Another bad apple
Now, yes, this is an isolated incident with a single officer acting completely inappropriately. This is not evidence that all officers are like this at all.
However, the fact that he is still a police officer given the history reported in this article combined with that behavior is why there's continued distrust growing with police forces. Those in charge continue to allow him to "protect and serve" when it's clear he is not fit to work as a police officer.
Now, yes, this is an isolated incident with a single officer acting completely inappropriately. This is not evidence that all officers are like this at all.
However, the fact that he is still a police officer given the history reported in this article combined with that behavior is why there's continued distrust growing with police forces. Those in charge continue to allow him to "protect and serve" when it's clear he is not fit to work as a police officer.
T J
Footballguy
Not gonna lie - what I’ve heard about the Breonna Taylor case, there is definitely a case to be made that the officers were not clearly in the wrong to have used their firearms.
GoBirds
Footballguy
While I hate to see anyone wrongly killed by police and those should be fully prosecuted there are over 800,000 police in our country....what percentage of them are currently bad and why so many on one side want to defund police? All this police hate it must be a significant percentage?
Yenrub
Footballguy
Off duty, drinking, hits and shoots the wrong guy.......but hey everything is fine nothing to see here
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Lancaster, PA - Guy runs at police wielding a knife and gets himself shot. People riot and start burning things. Who are the bad guys again?
gianmarco
Footballguy
Just read the story and saw the video.
1) Looks to be completely justified. I doubt you'll find anyone that thinks otherwise.
2) This shooting happened yesterday. The bodycam video is already released not even 24 hours later. That's exactly how it should be. Not weeks later. Or 6 months later.
3) Not surprised there's a protest following another police shooting resulting in a death. Any of the looters or rioters destroying property should be arrested and charged. Not acceptable (never has been).
4) Hopefully with the release of the video so quickly, these protests/riots will die down just as quickly. It's what should happen.
Possum
Footballguy
this kind of crap is just way too common and is why the police absolutely cannot be trusted to manage and discipline their officers correctly without outside oversight. Guys like this one, Derek Chauvin, and Gerald Goines (bad cop with a history who made false statements to obtain the no knock warrant in last year's police shooting in Pecan Park, Houston that killed two innocent homeowners) shouldn't be on the streets with these kind of records of behavior and citizen complaints.
every police force in the country ought to have their discipline reviews handled through a non-partisan public committee made up of appointed citizens and local government officials. There should be some officers (active or retired) acting in an advisory capacity, but the citizens should have full authority to discipline or remove problem officers.
Possum
Footballguy
agreed on all counts, but I'll go a little further than you on 3 and 4: these protests are starting to lose the plot and do more harm than good to public willingness to support change when people are going nuts over stupid stuff like this, and I think the authorities ought to act decisively to shut them down as soon as there's any type of violence or destruction of property.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
You didnt read the replies in the video link in that story then. Plenty of people thinking it wasnt justified.
Eta: no shortage of people blaming the officer.
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GoBirds
Footballguy
Yep, what bizarro world do we live in? Dude is chasing a cop with a knife and people are upset the cop shoots him? What is wrong with this world.....disgusting.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2020/09/14/protests-erupt-in-pennsylvania-after-police-fatally-shoot-black-man-wielding-a-knife/amp/
Juxtatarot
Footballguy
Yeah, that Lancaster one doesn't seem questionable. It hurts the overall cause of much needed police reform when people react out of emotion and preconceived bias.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
Blue lives don't matter - that's all I can take away from the new view from liberal left
a touchy feely social worker would have been hacked to death by that guy and then magically the left would blame police for NOT being there
and if police hadn't showed up, police would have been blamed
it'd be nice if someone put blame on the guy with the knife .... you know, a personal responsibility kinda thing
GoBirds
Footballguy
What, you mean blaming the guy actually breaking the law? That’s not ok anymore. We’ve confirmed that at least .00125% of police in this country are bad people so we are going to treat all of them like criminals and defund them.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Is anybody here actually arguing that the Lancaster shooting was unwarranted? It seems like it would be better to wait and see if anybody takes that position before preemptively lashing out at hypothetical people who are taking that position in your imagination.
The Future Champs
Footballguy
I clicked on the link provided below. The short answer is no, no one is blaming the officer. Lots of people weighing in as lefties saying this is justified.
See above.
djmich
Footballguy
Can't help but think that the protests are going to generate more people feeling like they have the right to threaten police...and it will not end well for them.
Stealthycat
Footballguy
maybe NBA players will wear his picture on shirts this week ?? celebrating an accused rapist last week, maybe a knife wielding guy this week? could happen :(What, you mean blaming the guy actually breaking the law? That’s not ok anymore. We’ve confirmed that at least .00125% of police in this country are bad people so we are going to treat all of them like criminals and defund them.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Huh? The first reply shown is some idiot talking about shooting in the knees. And if you read more from same dude he is dead serious.
Then there is this...
This could have been handled differently. Why do cops always pull their gun first when they have other options and be trained to deescalate situations like this? Sure the guy had a knife but they have tasers and there are more than one of them. So sad.
Then this...
Cop didn’t even make an attempt to de-escalate or simply move away. Cop was way too trigger happy
More...
Has anyone watched the videos of police when they shoot dogs running towards them? This is what this video reminds me of. The complete lack of respect. The complete lack of appropriate training. Or the only training they've received is to shoot. And release footage asap.
More...
for those that are saying this was justifiable, if that was your son or daughter, would you still say yes my son or daughter should have been killed for running towards a cop with a knife? simple yes or no.
more...
It’s so weird that every mentally disturbed black guy with a knife gets executed but in England somehow their cops are trained enough to detain these same knife wielding individuals without deadly force. Why do our cops even have tasers?
More...
You know that other countries around the world handle people with weapons without immediately shooting them? Actual civilised countries I mean, but then again even third world countries (like the USA) often handle these situations without shooting first. US police are a disgrace
there are tons more like this.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
In response to somebody pointing out this guy stabbed four people last year.
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
Ok,ok. I guess I just found the two threads with replies like that. Because in this thread nobody is doing that.
Well except this one guy.
Right????
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Well except this one guy.
Well maybe more than one guy...
Ok, but that is only the first three replies right???
Right????
...
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
I wont continue unless of course we see some more gaslighting.
The Future Champs
Footballguy
Alright, ya got me, I power skimmed. Rereading in more depth changes my comment to "almost no one is blaming the police." I'd put about 95% of the commentary as "justified", including a lot from posters who seemed possibly or definitely left leaning. A sample:
Dangoss
I'm sorry to everyone currently rioting right now but this doesn't seem like another case like Jacob Blake's. This appears to be a justified case of self defense. What a gosh darn tragedy. I would still like to see what happened prior to this, though (if any footage exists).
AltCoin Slater
This one seems justified people
Pork Chop Sandwiches
When I was younger I thought the same thing, but then I realized that they aren't sharpshooters. If you fire your weapon you fire it to neutralize the threat. Aim for main body mass. Do not take the chance of aiming for smaller target and missing.
Jordan Galan
For those asking why the officer didn't try to disarm him, I ask you to put yourselves in that cop's shoes. Would go for the gun or risk getting stabbed several times whilst trying to take the armed combatant down. The cop was justified here imo, but I'd like more footage prior.
Eban 'Monkey' Smith
The officer ran away, he chased him with a knife...he got shot..rightly so. Sad but not police officers fault.
J
This is why body cameras must be worn by the cops at all times. Anybody would have fired back if they had a gun, cop or not.
Terah
As someone who is generally 100% against the police brutality/ killings that have happened previously and recently this one is very difficult to watch and digest. It would be 100% terrifying and quick so I feel like most would react the same way. This is sad. All deaths are sad
Passive-aggressive hippiechick
I wish all body cam footage was released this fast.
CoolBeans
Easy to post that fast when not guilty. Cop seems to be in the right here. Makes u go hmm when we don’t see some for weeks/months-or its cut up-etc
Brandon G.
Cop was in the right with this shooting it seems.
JimAndrews518
Stop assuming that all or almost all police shootings are unjustified. When they are, that's horrible. But it's important to look at the facts of each case. The shooting appears to be justified in this case.
davCG56
Lord knows I'd be the first to say brutality but this is my observation; Man came out of the apartment to the left very quickly. He had a kitchen knife raised and immediately ran at the cop. I counted seconds where the cop ran backwards, turned and shot while still running.
Hellworld Inhabitant
Yeah, I'm a big ACAB guy but this was clearly self-defense.
fossfox
I'm outright ACAB but this is just straight up self defense, running at someone with a weapon is perhaps the one thing you can justify police shootings over
JUST LIZ (Wear The Damn Mask)
Give ppl some credit. The guy was charging police with a weapon. This is considered a justified shooting. No athletes will get involved in this situation. There's thousands of police interactions daily. Few end up being any issue. Common sense.
Brax |BLM
Take it from the a Democrat this officer was justified in killing that man.
Steve Eberheart
I hate most cops but this is completely justified. Cop tried to deescalate, dude attacked with a clear weapon...only one outcome to that.
Michaelparker
Don't agree with the police but he was charging at cop with a weapon. But hey maybe try using your stun gun first and if doesn't work then use ya pistol
peanuts
I don't disagree that he was failed at some point but that doesn't justify rioting. It certainly shouldn't condemn a police officer that had to make a split second decision to shoot or get stabbed.
AustinKrause255
As someone who fully supports the BLM movement, I feel responsible pointing out what's police brutality and fair use of lethal force. The cop was okay using his gun on the man chasing him with a knife. He used it in self-defense
GoBirds
Footballguy
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
I asked about people here, in this forum. Why are we arguing with/about dumbasses on Twitter who don't rise to the level of the worst FBG posters?
Yenrub
Footballguy
Well you see he couldn’t find any examples from posters on this forum supporting it, so he had to search elsewhere. HTH
parasaurolophus
Footballguy
You are incorrect. If you see where I replied above somebody said that they didn't see anybody saying that at the link I provided. That was obviously untrue, so I posted some of the many tweets. That a problem for you?Yenrub said:
NutterButter
Footballguy
Its unfortunate that they're protesting this. Its doing more harm than good.
gianmarco
Footballguy
More on Lancaster:
13 total people arrested
From that article:
At least eight of the suspects are not Lancaster residents, according to police. They said one of two people armed with handguns during the protests was charged with illegal possession.
And, here is the more unfortunate part of the story:
Shooting victim had paranoid schizophrenia and family was trying to get him mental help
I don't blame the officer for how he reacted. But, this is yet another incident where someone suffering from mental illness lost their life. I don't know what the right answer is. I do think we need to try and find it, though.
Also, while there was a second night of protests in Lancaster, it was much smaller and more peaceful
Not surprising since that video came out.
13 total people arrested
From that article:
At least eight of the suspects are not Lancaster residents, according to police. They said one of two people armed with handguns during the protests was charged with illegal possession.
And, here is the more unfortunate part of the story:
Shooting victim had paranoid schizophrenia and family was trying to get him mental help
I don't blame the officer for how he reacted. But, this is yet another incident where someone suffering from mental illness lost their life. I don't know what the right answer is. I do think we need to try and find it, though.
Also, while there was a second night of protests in Lancaster, it was much smaller and more peaceful
Not surprising since that video came out.
Nugget
Footballguy
Million dollar bails for rioting? That seems a bit excessive and unconstitutional.
I think there needs to be a change in police process - Maybe it is more resources for departments. I watched the video - was the officer alone? Would things have worked out differently if an officer was there supporting a social worker?
Ramblin Wreck
Footballguy
Give it a rest. Almost every freaking thread here does exactly that. B-b-b-but sides.Yenrub said:
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Still say police should be equipped with tranquillizer dart guns for these type of situations. Shoot a dart into the perp and then everyone back off for the 30-60 seconds, it takes to calm the person down. Then proceed. Think if George Floyd, the Atlanta guy, Blake, whoever were all popped with darts, calmed down and then subdued.
You send a social worker to Lancaster and there is a good chance he/she ends up sliced and diced like a Halloween movie.
You send a social worker to Lancaster and there is a good chance he/she ends up sliced and diced like a Halloween movie.
Rich Conway
Footballguy
As I understand it, the required dosage varies so much that these would frequently be ineffective or cause permanent damage.
Also, George Floyd is a pretty bad example here. He was calm, and in a car, until the police escalated the situation for no reason.
gianmarco
Footballguy
gianmarco
Footballguy
Police called to home of a 12 year old boy for having a toy gun during virtual classroom
From the story:
“At that point I then called my son immediately, and I told him to stay away from the windows, to lock the doors, to not open the doors, because the cops are on their way,” Elliott said. “And I told him to go down into the basement. I know that may sound extreme to some, but with the cultural climate of what’s going on in America today, specifically with Tamir Rice, the 12-year-old boy killed for playing with a toy gun, that’s a very real reality for a lot of parents across the world right now. So his exact words were ‘Mommy, you’re scaring me,’ and for a mother, it’s heartbreaking to hear something like that.”
Aside from the insanity of this story and why the police were called to begin with, this is a very real perception for people in their interaction with police. And it's so sad that's the case that you have to be so afraid of the police and fear for your lives or the lives of your children.
From the story:
“At that point I then called my son immediately, and I told him to stay away from the windows, to lock the doors, to not open the doors, because the cops are on their way,” Elliott said. “And I told him to go down into the basement. I know that may sound extreme to some, but with the cultural climate of what’s going on in America today, specifically with Tamir Rice, the 12-year-old boy killed for playing with a toy gun, that’s a very real reality for a lot of parents across the world right now. So his exact words were ‘Mommy, you’re scaring me,’ and for a mother, it’s heartbreaking to hear something like that.”
Aside from the insanity of this story and why the police were called to begin with, this is a very real perception for people in their interaction with police. And it's so sad that's the case that you have to be so afraid of the police and fear for your lives or the lives of your children.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
He really wasn't but that has been discussed forever so no reason to revisit that.
As far as taking a chance of a sedative or 4 bullets in the back the former sounds better. I am not a doctor but I think 4 bullets in the back might cause a little more permanent damage.
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Rich Conway
Footballguy
Playing devil's advocate here, why would we expect a tranquilizer to be more effective than a taser?
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Say the situation is chaotic and there some sort of force has to be used. If you were the perp given these options what would you choose?
1. A sedative
2. Beat over the head with a billy club.
2. Tased with an high voltage electrical current.
3. Shot with 9MM Glock bullets at close range.
Rich Conway
Footballguy
My question isn't really about what option I would want used on me. Obviously, the answer is none. I'm not a doctor either, but I'm having a hard time coming up with a reason to expect that a tranquilizer would be more effective than a taser, pepper spray, or other, existing, non-lethal options.
Additionally, if we're discussing alternatives to shooting, I'm assuming that the situation requires immediate resolution. I doubt that the movie version of a tranquilizer, in which the recipient calmly falls asleep within seconds, is not the reality. Isn't a taser a more immediate solution?
Da Guru
Fair & Balanced
Rich Conway
Footballguy
Maybe. But that doesn't answer either of the questions I posted. Is there any reason to believe this would be more effective than a taser? Is there any reason to believe this would be immediate enough to be a solution at all?
Rich Conway
Footballguy
I don't know if this particular suggestion would be better or worse than, say, tasers. But, non-lethal options exist now, yet police frequently jump straight to the lethal option. I question the assumption that adding yet another non-lethal option would lead to different outcomes.
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