LayinTheSmackDown
Footballguy
For a defensive starter to the 49ers (who they cannot name yet because they have not contacted him yet (spectulation is B.Whiting)Ravens will Receive a draft pickE A G L E S !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Giantseasonticketholder
Whammy
Can't wait for the excuses come January!
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
I'd say the Ravens did pretty well here -- a 5th round pick in exchange for nothing.
IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
I'm assuming they get that pick back, or they would be raising hell about it.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
As a Steelers fan I can tell you that I am happy the Ravens are getting an extra 5th round pick and not Owens...
I disagree. They needed a WR, had no #1 pick, and had plenty of cap space. They made a move to lock up one of the elite WRs in the game, and now they've lost him. Meanwhile, DJackson, D.Boston, and M.Robinson are no longer available.They are pretty much ####ed, and it was through no fault of their own.
GreedoShotFirst
Footballguy
nothing except missing out on the opportunity to sign Darrelll Jackson or Justin McCariens, and/or re-sign Marcus Robinson.
Repressed Dennis
Footballguy
I wonder if this means Northcutt is a free agent now...I thought I read on here that his situation was similar to Owens, and the decision here would also roll over to him. SInce the NFL basically said that the real deadline was March 2...
Loss By Design
Footballguy
Yes, the trade happened before any decision was made. And, as a result, no decision was made in the grievance.
GreedoShotFirst
Footballguy
brain freeze
don't know where that came from. must be the horrible green color confusing me 
Deranged Hermit
Not cool & Pissed
I'll disagree with that. They screwed up by trading for a disgruntled WR before they had a deal in place with him. They thought that if they traded for him than TO would 'see the light' and all of a sudden figure out that it's in his best interests to be a Raven.They took a gamble and lost......
Heatman
Footballguy
A look into the future?Monday, Jan. 18 2005It seems the Philadelphia Eagles may NOT be victims of their 3rd consecutive NFC conference championship loss. Although time expired on last nights game between the Eagles and Vikings with the Vikings leading by a score of 35 to 30, it seems the scoring may not be over! Terrell Owens, citing his interview on saturday with ESPN, has filed a grievance with the league stating that he fully intended to score the winning touchdown in the game. In the game coach Andy Reid called an off tackle run by Correll Buckhalter on the teams 4th and 1 attempt on the Vikings 2 yard line with 32 seconds remaining in the game. Buckhalter was stopped for no gain and the Vikings recieved possession and promptly an out the clock to "win" the game.Owens and his agent, David Joseph, claim that Reid should have called a fade route to Owens on that play, noting that Owens intent was to score the game winning touchdown. Players Union executive director Gene Upshaw supports the claim stating that Reids inept play calling was the reason for the loss. Upshaw claims the NFL was ultimately responsible for this call due to it's support of Owens contract with the Eagles in March 2004. Upshaw stated the fact that the NFL supported the fact that Owens was and huge aquisition for the Eagles and that he was a play maker and game breaker. Due to this fact the NFL should have informed Reid that Owens should have been targeted on the final play of the game.This case is scheduled for arbitration on Wednesday, Jan. 20. Owens and Upshaw say they have complete confidence they will win the case and the arbitrator will award Owens a touchdown and the Eagles a win in the Jan. 17th game.The Vikings, historical victims of strange last minute losses, say that although they want the win, they believe Owens has a case. Head coach Mike Tice said "Stranger things have happened, Owens was allowed to become an Eagle after all. I just wish we would have thought about doing something similar in the 2003 draft when we intended to make a trade with the Ravens. Maybe then we would have still gotten Kevin Williams and picked up an extra pick!"Coach Andy Reid and NFL commissioner Paul Tagliabue were unavailable for comment.
Loss By Design
Footballguy
Just so you know, I don't think Owens won his grievance, so no precedent was set. The new deal was made before the arbitration was complete.
Repressed Dennis
Footballguy
I would still think Northcutt has a good case if he wants to file...
Heatman
Footballguy
Exactly, and do you blame them? The NFL is the strongest professional sports league in the country. We all love the sport, it's competitive, well structured, and the system works well. I, as a fan, look at this and the Clarrett case as the first cracks in an excellent system. In the past, the NFL ran the NFL. Now, thanks to the courts, the players will begin to run the NFL just like they do MLB and the NBA. We can all begin to say our farewells to the sport and the system we all love so much.As for TO, his complaint is that his intent was to become a free agent but his deadline was moved from March 2 to late January? If he wanted to become a free agent so bad then WHY did he and his agent wait until the last minute? Don't you think they would have filed the paperwork as soon as they were allowed to? I'm not saying he didn't want to become a free agent, but they screwed up and now someone else (Ravens, Niners, NFL, any other free agent WR who may have revieved a better deal if the Ravens were still in the market, etc.) must pay.I do not feel sorry for TO or his agent. I feel sorry for the NFL and for us as fans. The NFL has a system that works well for all, but a few greedy people who think only of themselves are doing everything they can to change all of that. Unfortunately, we the fans, will be the ones who pay in the end. I posted this on an earlier thread, just my 2 cents, but I don't believe I am alone in my thinking.
TO had said Baltimore was one of the teams he was interested in, and his agent had been in contract negotiations with the Ravens.Sure, they didn't have a deal worked out, but according to the NFL, Owens was still under contract at the time. They offered a 2nd rounder while the Eagles were offering up a 5th. Sure sounds to me like they were willing to pay the price to get him.I also don't know how topdog can suggest that the Ravens tried to get him for "next to nothing". They offered more than anyone else would've.
Repressed Dennis
Footballguy
I can't WAIT until Baltimore plays Philly later on this year!!! Will Ray-ray kill TO, or just maim him?
Viper
Footballguy
I think that the point here is that the NFL was wrong and TO should have been a FA. If that is true then Balt. would have had to compete with Phil. and other teams for TO. Balt. did not want to do that and talked a quick deal with the 9ers hoping that the NFL ruling on TOs FA status would hold.
Jason Wood
Zoo York
Fly Eagles Fly, On the Road to Victory!Fight Eagles Fight, Score a Touchdown 1-2-3!Hit'em Low, Hit'em High, and Watch Our Eagles Fly!Fly Eagles Fly, On the Road to Victory!E-A-G-L-E-S-EAGLES!Oh, and as to your point of contention, TO's agent was waiting to file to make it less likely that the Niners would franchise or transition TO. Once Peterson was franchised, the plan was for TO to file at the March deadline.
Cowbell Fever
Footballguy
Agreed - the Ravens, in good faith, offered a 2nd Rounder which was head and shoulders above what the Eagles offered. The NFL agrees and the Ravens are set with their go-to WR. They release Marcus Robinson and watch Jackson, McCareins and Boston sign with other teams believing they are secure with TO. Now you can say the Ravens are getting an extra 5th round draft-pick for nothing but you would be incorrect. The Ravens are now, once again, without a go-to WR and instead of having any options on the market, we are given a 5th Round Pick? B.S.Best I can see now is trading our 2nd and whatever pick (if it is indeed the 5th) to move up and get a WR in the draft.
jasvic
Footballguy
People still don't get this. The Eagles' reported offer of a 5th and Thrash was NOT their only and final offer. That was a starting point, and SF never got back to them as they said they would. If you go to buy a car that has a sticker price of $20,000, do you go and offer them $21,000? You start low and haggle to an agreement.I just don't understand why SF gets a player out of this deal. Out of all parties involved, it looks like they are the ones carrying the most blame. If they get a player, Thrash should be forced upon them!
JAA
Footballguy
I agree, but dont agree.This case would not be a case if Joseph didnt miss the deadline. However, for whatever reason he did. AS IT TURNS OUT, the NFL was not able to adjust TOs contract with the 49ers with respect to the date to file.What is the real issue here? That a player was right? The NFL will make mistakes, there is nothing wrong with that. The Clarrett issue is a whole nother ball game that I think will resolve itself, i.e no $$ for youngins or broken heads. Either way I think it will work itself out.
boonesfarm4me
Footballguy
TO had a date in the contract that had a 3/15 date to file for FA. This is what essentially made TO get his way. Northcutt may not have what TO did in his contract. who cares about northcutt anyway...TO is an EAGLE
I agree!Loss By Design
Footballguy
Exactly!Unless TO had some go-go-gadget arms installed this offseason, he's gonna have a hard time liking McNabbs passes more than Garcia's.:rotflmao:Just a better WR for McNabb to throw his bounce passes to.Should be funny to see Wood take his annual "vacation" again next late-January.
Sack-Religious.
Footballguy
Philly will probably get rid of one talented cry-baby malcontent in the summer and will add a new one to replace him. 2 different sports same net result.
Mungo Burrows
Footballguy
Yeah, but to extend your analogy, that was like going into the Mercedes dealership, looking at the Kompresser roadster, and starting your offer at $12,000. If a deal's insulting, and someone else is making a good faith offer, the dealer may not give you the courtesy of a chance to match the other offer.SF had to get a player to get them to agree to give baltimore's pick back.People still don't get this. The Eagles' reported offer of a 5th and Thrash was NOT their only and final offer. That was a starting point, and SF never got back to them as they said they would. If you go to buy a car that has a sticker price of $20,000, do you go and offer them $21,000? You start low and haggle to an agreement.I just don't understand why SF gets a player out of this deal. Out of all parties involved, it looks like they are the ones carrying the most blame. If they get a player, Thrash should be forced upon them!
Heatman
Footballguy
ROFL, remember this post in a year or two when T.O. becomes unhappy with the Eagles. Think it won't happen? Don't be so sure.As far as Owens being an Eagle, I predicted that would happen last year. The only problem I have is the way it all went down.T.O. "Whateva, I do what I want!" (ala Cartman)
JaxBill
Footballguy
It just kills me. Last week, people were all over the Eagles because they didn't sign a WR. Now they not only sign Owens but have their first 3 picks intact (and likely 2 4th round compensatory picks from last year).And the same people from different teams who were dogging the Eagles for NOT signing Owens and NOT giving up a first round pick are dogging the Eagles for signing Owens and only giving up a 5th and Whiting.
From reading these threads I believe T.O. would have won.The key point seems to be his contract had a date set that was intended to beAFTER the franchise date. The 49'ers signed off on that contract and so acceptedthat T.O. could void his contract after the franchise date had expired. I don't think T.O. is being a "crybaby", he's just doing what any intelligent beingwould.
Viper
Footballguy
Yup! He is holding SF and the NFL to a contract. The NFL made a mistake saying that TO was not a FA and SF tried to take advantage of that. Balt. may have got caught in the middle but I really don't think so. I think they figured that the NFL ruling would stand and they wouldn't have to compete for TO on the open market.
jasvic
Footballguy
Not at all, because you can't put absolute values on players. If that were the case, then AJ Feely is on par with TO, that would be a fair striaght up trade since that was what both players were initially traded for. And possibly, AJ has more value if the Dolphins pick winds up being higher then the Ravens pick. So comparing the Eagles initial offer to your Mercedes analogy is ridiculous.I'm just tired of all of the Eagles haters focusing on the alleged "low-ball" offer, when they never had a chance to better the offer since the first they heard of Baltimore's offer of a 2nd was when the trade was finalized and announced in the media.
vinwinephans
Footballguy
People are just bitter. TO got his way. He's not a Raven and bunch of Eagles Haters know this makes him better.TO is not foreign to what McNabb's passes are like. He gotten the ball thrown to him from McNabb via the ProBowl. Yes, it is not a real game, but it is the real McNabb.This takes the pressure of McNabb try and make the perfect pass since his WR were never open enough. TO will look huge compared to what he is used to and passes in the rough will not be an issue. Besides, him playing with a bad thumb has only caused the pass in the dirt to become a larger issue than it really is.Simply put - JEALOUSY!
Capella
Footballguy
Nobody I see is doing that. The Iggs HAD to get this done. And it's a good move for them...I just don't think it's going to push them over the edge.TO has always been a fantastic WR, but he's never exactly been proven to be a winner...I can tell you in the playoff game against the Bucs in 2002 he was short-arming absolutely everything, so I'm not sure he's the final piece.We'll see if the trouble he brings is going to be worth the talent.
