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"The natural differences in human nature."
I was raised in a trailer when I was younger. I had heated frozen fish sticks and mushroom soup as a kid every night. But my parents instilled upon me the best morals and values you could ever imagine. My father, god rest his soul, took two jobs to make ends meet and would later put three of us kids through college. It all begins at home. Everything I have today is due to my father. He did whoop our ### when we ####ed up though but I love him for that. We grew up in a white "ghetto" but we turned out just fine. I did stupid things too as a kid but I only messed up once every time because I had good parents.SHIZNITTTT said:
Good story & good upbringing. I was spanked HARD, right along with my brothers every week. Can't think of a time where we didn't have it coming.
Bottom line is that kids will do what their friends do, it's a process that takes years, is set in stone, and you can't patch in adult leadership and role models afterwards to undo it. I strongly believe that even if you plop amazing opportunities in front of these kids, where they can sign up and punch their own ticket, no discrimination even possible because everyone is hired, they will self-discriminate themselves out of the opportunity to conform to the group (I have an example of this). The only way to fix it is to tear it all down and rebuild from scratch. Same way a country like Venezuela has to start over. Sometimes things just get too broken to fix.
This arguing back from superficiality is as old as racism, it is racism.
https://newrepublic.com/article/117884/nicholas-wades-troublesome-inheritance-new-scientific-racism
LOL. This reminds me of someone saying "no disrespect, but . . ." (in which case, yes, disrespect is meant).irishidiot said:
irishidiot said:
Your right. I shouldn't have to defend myself. but it's hard not to feel personally insulted. Actually in the scheme of ideas the race card is used when the argument fails. I get it.
I'm not quite sure what you are referring to. I think the idea of bias, racism, prejudice, etc. are pretty complicated stuff. I do my best to think about the biases and prejudices I have. I my daughter brought a gangster-looking black guy home I wouldn't be happy. Would I be less happy than if she brought home a white-trashy-redneck? I dunno. But it's there, I guess.
That was mostly a joke, really. But if I had to think about real life situations, the only time I've heard people state "I'm not a racist" was immediately after or immediately before they do or say something racisty.
You say it was mostly a joke, but then you go right back to it. I'm not getting the impression that it was a joke.
To be fair, I think the discussion of whether or not a person is a racist is not-really compelling to me, because I'm not sure it's really all that meaningful. When discussing how the government should operate with respect to things that have an effect on race/class, the discussion should really be on whether or not the policy is a net positive to society (or even just parts of society).
Well I don't have to agree with Tim either.
I would be interested in seeing some of the behind-the-scenes political wrangling that went on to get this to trial.
Oh I think we are going to see some amazing things once the documents are made public.
Our social services are structured in a way that promotes single parent households for the poor. This was actually brought up as a concern when Medicaid was created, but it was felt the social stigma of being unmarried with kids would be too much to overcome. They were obviously wrong.
One lingering effect of Katrina in NO is that many young men were essentially abandoned by their families, whatever that might have been. They were young men growing up in NO, with no school and zero parental guidance. The social effects were real.
Forced bussing didn't work. Unless you plan on seizing people's homes and redistributing them I don't see how you are going to create perfect, racially mixed neighborhoods.
Hey, as much as I like Baltimore, be careful with that. Ever since the uprising, crime has been out of control in Baltimore. The cops really are just phoning it in at this point. I'm sure you're aware of various gangs of teens and how they seem to be targeting bicyclists as much as anyone else.
Because it wasn't a real long-term solution for most areas. People simply moved. How far are you willing to make kids sit on a bus? Hours?
What do you mean by that? Is there evidence of people moving from one area to another because of school deseg? And this had a negative effect on the black students?
White flight occurred in most urban areas during that time. Maybe you can try to force bus kids around the cities, but I don't see how you can easily get kids between suburban and urban areas.
So did the Italians, the Jews, the Chinese, etc. and they didn't have huge social services programs to lean on.
I do think all schools should be desegregated (and our colleges too) but I am perplexed how 50 years in this is still happening. Lots of schools here were 90%+ black before Katrina and the main thing that has changed that is the charter system which has used things other than busing and line drawing to attract students to specialized schools. But in order to do that they had to leave the traditional school system.
And meanwhile CNN and MSNBC were showing video of unrest that happened 13 months ago while reporting the news of this week's verdict. They just couldn't stand to show scenes of an entire city going about its business with no riots.
So it is your belief that blacks are just genetically dumber than whites and thus will never do as well educationally?
He's not a racist because I disagree with his conclusion. He's potentially a racist because his writings are racist. And he calls himself a conservative. I'm not making anything up that he's a right-winger. He is.Quite convenient how any scholar or person who reaches "unacceptable" conclusions based on the data is deemed a racist and right-winger. Just like the former Liberal icon James Coleman himself. This schtick is now as old as The Coleman Report.
But if you want another resource on the matter, here you go...
The Black-White Test Score Gap
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