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Who's better, Manning or Brady (post cheating spree)? (1 Viewer)
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John Bender
Footballguy
Lol. What a troll.
Manning: 13-23-141-0-1
Trend Dilfer (in the super bowl): 12-25-153-1
SacramentoBob
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BigSteelThrill
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Alex P Keaton
Footballguy
Manning had almost nothing to do with the win tonight. He was arguably a net negative to the team.
BigSteelThrill
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IvanKaramazov
Footballguy
Steelers4Life
Footballguy
Manning will retire with the respect and admiration of a majority of NFL fans and all of his peers for the way he carried himself on and off the field. He lost a lot of games in his career that he deserved to win, so it's fitting that he wins a game now when he didn't/can't play well enough to really deserve it.
Brady will have more Super Bowl wins, but he'll never have that respect. And he'll get booed every time he walks out there as a previous Super Bowl MVP, just like he was today. I'm pretty sure Peyton will be more than satisfied with that.
People can talk about HGH all they want. There was more evidence against the Pats for Deflategate than there will ever be against Manning, and Manning has earned the benefit of the doubt by being exactly what a star QB should've been all these years.
He was more talented than Brady and he'll retire with a zillion times more respect than Brady. To me, that's a winner.
Brady will have more Super Bowl wins, but he'll never have that respect. And he'll get booed every time he walks out there as a previous Super Bowl MVP, just like he was today. I'm pretty sure Peyton will be more than satisfied with that.
People can talk about HGH all they want. There was more evidence against the Pats for Deflategate than there will ever be against Manning, and Manning has earned the benefit of the doubt by being exactly what a star QB should've been all these years.
He was more talented than Brady and he'll retire with a zillion times more respect than Brady. To me, that's a winner.
You are entitled to your opinion, even though it is wrong.
In case you forgot, a federal judge said there was no evidence for Deflategate, and overturned the NFL's ruling.
“That’s the only game we’re talking about,” Judge Berman said. “The Wells report relates to only one game. Whether it happened before, who knows? . . . There is no finding in this case that there was anything done by Mr. Brady [in the AFC Championship Game].”
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/08/12/for-now-judge-berman-seems-more-interested-in-the-facts-than-the-law/
Tanner9919
Footballguy
Manning's 3-2 v. Brady in championship games..won 4 straight.
I think he's kinda got Brady's # in that department.
best Reg season QB is Manning, hands-down.
they can each have a perch on the tree of the 'best evers'..
mannings 2nd means a LOT.
I think he's kinda got Brady's # in that department.
best Reg season QB is Manning, hands-down.
they can each have a perch on the tree of the 'best evers'..
mannings 2nd means a LOT.
Steelers4Life
Footballguy
Nope, didn't forget. There never was going to be any hard evidence and the suspension was overturned because of gaps in the investigative and record keeping process. There was scientific evidence that supported both sides depending on a lot of factors, and outside of video taping what went on, there was never going to be a way to prove it. Which is probably why Brady was so smug about it but came across so shady in the infamous Jim Gray interview.You are entitled to your opinion, even though it is wrong.
In case you forgot, a federal judge said there was no evidence for Deflategate, and overturned the NFL's ruling.
Thats the only game were talking about, Judge Berman said. The Wells report relates to only one game. Whether it happened before, who knows? . . . There is no finding in this case that there was anything done by Mr. Brady [in the AFC Championship Game].
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/08/12/for-now-judge-berman-seems-more-interested-in-the-facts-than-the-law/
But the mountains of circumstantial evidence was more than anything out there regarding Manning, and between Spygate and Deflategate, Brady will only be able to dream about the level of respect Peyton will always have. Maybe Brady doesn't care about that, who knows. Peyton obviously does, and so do fans. Peyton will be admired everywhere. Brady will only be admired in New England.
Deamon
Footballguy
Nope, didn't forget. There never was going to be any hard evidence and the suspension was overturned because of gaps in the investigative and record keeping process. There was scientific evidence that supported both sides depending on a lot of factors, and outside of video taping what went on, there was never going to be a way to prove it. Which is probably why Brady was so smug about it but came across so shady in the infamous Jim Gray interview.You are entitled to your opinion, even though it is wrong.
In case you forgot, a federal judge said there was no evidence for Deflategate, and overturned the NFL's ruling.
Thats the only game were talking about, Judge Berman said. The Wells report relates to only one game. Whether it happened before, who knows? . . . There is no finding in this case that there was anything done by Mr. Brady [in the AFC Championship Game].
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/08/12/for-now-judge-berman-seems-more-interested-in-the-facts-than-the-law/
But the mountains of circumstantial evidence was more than anything out there regarding Manning, and between Spygate and Deflategate, Brady will only be able to dream about the level of respect Peyton will always have. Maybe Brady doesn't care about that, who knows. Peyton obviously does, and so do fans. Peyton will be admired everywhere. Brady will only be admired in New England.
Sounds like you're pretty unbiased too.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Well that seals it. Manning was an unstoppable offensive juggernaut yesterday.
Baloney Sandwich
Footballguy
I'm a Brady fan and the reality is he threw for 145 yards against the Rams in their first SB win. He didn't turn the ball over but his offensive production in that game wasn't much different than Peyton's last night.
Congrats to Peyton and the Broncos for a heck of a season. I still rate Brady ahead of Peyton but I don't have an issue with others feeling the opposite.
Congrats to Peyton and the Broncos for a heck of a season. I still rate Brady ahead of Peyton but I don't have an issue with others feeling the opposite.
rockaction
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Anarchy99
Footballguy
Ignoring the fact that Brady was a first year starter and Manning was in his 17th . . .
In 2001, there were 2 QBs with 4,000 passing yards, 9 with 3,500 passing yards, 3 QBs with 30 passing TD, and 7 with 25 passing TD.
In 2015, there were 12 QBs with 4,000 passing yards, 19 with 3,500 passing yards, 11 QBs with 30 passing TD, and 14 with 25 passing TD.
The passing game has expanded exponentially in 15 years.
A ring is a ring, though. Congrats to Peyton and the Broncos. Their defense in the post season was pretty exceptional. They help the Steelers, Patriots, and Panthers a combined 42 points under their regular season scoring average.
hxperson
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Who care about those generic stats? Panthers D 2015 >>>> Rams D 2001. Also, I dont see how being an inexperienced 23 yr old is that big of a disadvantage over being a highly experienced 39 yr old. Both are far from their primes, although I'd argue the 39 yr old with 4 neck surgeries is further away.Anarchy99 said:
Steelers4Life
Footballguy
People can argue all they want about talent, Super Bowls, defenses, ages, supporting casts, opponents, blah, blah, blah. I think it's lost that Manning has gone to four Super Bowls with four coaches and two teams.
There's a good reason why each of them have the reputations they do, and there's a reason why even those of us who would've preferred to see Carolina win last night were happy to see Peyton go out on top whether he was the primary reason or not. He performed well in games he's lost, and now he got a ring when he was more of a passenger than a driver. So what?
Does anyone really think that anyone would ever root for Brady to win anything with how he's carried himself and how his team has both cheated the game and allegedly cheated the game? Brady will probably go down as a "greater" QB, but Manning is going to walk away with something more valuable - respect and admiration.
There's a good reason why each of them have the reputations they do, and there's a reason why even those of us who would've preferred to see Carolina win last night were happy to see Peyton go out on top whether he was the primary reason or not. He performed well in games he's lost, and now he got a ring when he was more of a passenger than a driver. So what?
Does anyone really think that anyone would ever root for Brady to win anything with how he's carried himself and how his team has both cheated the game and allegedly cheated the game? Brady will probably go down as a "greater" QB, but Manning is going to walk away with something more valuable - respect and admiration.
Run It Up
Footballguy
Steelers4Life
Footballguy
You may not like it, wouldn't expect you to. But outside of New England, no one roots for Tom Brady and his and his teams' actions are the reason. If Brady would've won without the side shows and scandals, he could be on the Montana level of awe, because we're talking about a 4 time Super Bowl winner who's married to a super model and has been consistently at the top for almost 15 years. As it stands, people acknowledge his greatness but he's not on anything close to the level his accomplishments should be.
Outside of Denver and Indianapolis, Peyton Manning is admired, respected, and rooted for. And it's pretty clear that it's always been important to Peyton to be that way.
No amount of posting or statistics or reasons or excuses by Patriots fans will change that... it's all just window dressing because Pats fans want to stand up for their guy. Nothing wrong with that, but no one really cares.
Steelers4Life
Footballguy
Never said anything specifically about a Super Bowl. Maybe they did, maybe they didn't. Not going to get into what they did or didn't do or what impact it had on their success in the early 2000's. The point is that no matter what Pats fans say, Manning is going to retire with 2 Super Bowl wins and a level of respect Brady couldn't even reach in his dreams. Of course, Manning comes across as someone who cares a lot more about that than Brady does.
Well, respect is a funny thing because it changes all the time. Everyone who loudly predicted that Spygate would forever be a black mark vs. Brady were wrong. Guess who was 2nd most respected in ESPN's 2014 poll? Why it's Brady!
http://www.cheatsheet.com/sports/7-most-respected-players-in-the-nfl.html/?a=viewall
Now, maybe Deflategate might hurt Brady's respect in the short term, but history has proven that people have short memories.
Yes, Peyton is currently the most respected in the NFL. But guess what would happen if HGHgate blows up? His respect level would plummet.
So if it makes yourself feel better by saying that Brady currently gets less respect because of Spygate/Deflategate, go nuts. Respect changes all the time -- but 4 Superbowl rings are forever. Kinda like Bradshaw's 4 rings, and no one cares that the Steelers admitted to PEDs back then.
SacramentoBob
Footballguy
99% likely the Pats cheated in their Super Bowls. Only people who won't admit this are Pats fans.
jonessed
Footballguy
Wow. Brady in second at 7.5% and Manning in first at 26.8%. That is a massive difference.Well, respect is a funny thing because it changes all the time. Everyone who loudly predicted that Spygate would forever be a black mark vs. Brady were wrong. Guess who was 2nd most respected in ESPN's 2014 poll? Why it's Brady!
http://www.cheatsheet.com/sports/7-most-respected-players-in-the-nfl.html/?a=viewall
Now, maybe Deflategate might hurt Brady's respect in the short term, but history has proven that people have short memories.
Yes, Peyton is currently the most respected in the NFL. But guess what would happen if HGHgate blows up? His respect level would plummet.
So if it makes yourself feel better by saying that Brady currently gets less respect because of Spygate/Deflategate, go nuts. Respect changes all the time -- but 4 Superbowl rings are forever. Kinda like Bradshaw's 4 rings, and no one cares that the Steelers admitted to PEDs back then.
Drew Brees got 4% and Aaron Rodgers got 3.4%. There's an even more massive difference between Peyton and them.Wow. Brady in second at 7.5% and Manning in first at 26.8%. That is a massive difference.Well, respect is a funny thing because it changes all the time. Everyone who loudly predicted that Spygate would forever be a black mark vs. Brady were wrong. Guess who was 2nd most respected in ESPN's 2014 poll? Why it's Brady!
http://www.cheatsheet.com/sports/7-most-respected-players-in-the-nfl.html/?a=viewall
Now, maybe Deflategate might hurt Brady's respect in the short term, but history has proven that people have short memories.
Yes, Peyton is currently the most respected in the NFL. But guess what would happen if HGHgate blows up? His respect level would plummet.
So if it makes yourself feel better by saying that Brady currently gets less respect because of Spygate/Deflategate, go nuts. Respect changes all the time -- but 4 Superbowl rings are forever. Kinda like Bradshaw's 4 rings, and no one cares that the Steelers admitted to PEDs back then.
Peyton was clearly the most respected in 2014 -- but he's an outlier. Of course, that was pre-HGHgate, so who knows what will happen in the future...
fantasycurse42
Footballguy Jr.
If I could take either 15 years ago, Brady, no questions asked, none at all.
This shouldn't be close.
This shouldn't be close.
Steelers4Life
Footballguy
If you could take either of them 15 years ago and give them identical coaching staffs, offensive lines, and defenses, the choice would not be Brady for a LOT of people.
And I don't think that's especially close, either. Team success does not equate to more talent. It equates to better teams.
This is a pointless debate, and I'm out of this one. Have at it, guys.
Run It Up
Footballguy
Lmfao, only two more rings
- and several more years left in his career.All Peyton has is a billion more attempts and the production that comes with it.The Pats might have produced like 2007 every year had they had a stable of weapons like Peyton has had his entire career.
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Jrodicus
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SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
Opinion < > Truth.
You discount the contingent of fans who view spygate / deflategate as so much noise.
Run It Up
Footballguy
More than none, less than a lot.More than a couple, pretty confident he plays at least 3 more. Barring injury of course.
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Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
5 MVPs and 7 all-pro selections vs 2 MVPs and 2 all-pro selections sort of speaks for itself.
Unless you want to talk about team accomplishments, it's Manning in a rout.
Unless you want to talk about team accomplishments, it's Manning in a rout.
SeniorVBDStudent
Footballguy
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
Dinsy Ejotuz
Footballguy
msudaisy26
Footballguy
Everyone also forgets that Brady was playing that super bowl injured too, how injured I am not sure any of us know. Remember that Bledsoe had to finish the game against Pittsburgh because Brady couldn't come back in to play.
Run It Up
Footballguy
Meh w/e, no one to my knowledge has ever changed their mind on this subject. Good for Peyton, glad he got a second ring, he deserved it for his career, his play didn't deserve it this year.
You can boil all the actual arguments down to the Colts and Pats being opposite ends of how well you can run an organization. Or, how much production and wins are team statistics.
I still don't give a #### about whether Peyton took HGH or not, if he did I don't think it tarnishes his legacy at all - I do care that despite actual ####### journalism going on, magnitudes more so than during deflategate, the league could give a #### less, its not the validity of the claim its the volume of the morons that determines what gets covered.
You can boil all the actual arguments down to the Colts and Pats being opposite ends of how well you can run an organization. Or, how much production and wins are team statistics.
I still don't give a #### about whether Peyton took HGH or not, if he did I don't think it tarnishes his legacy at all - I do care that despite actual ####### journalism going on, magnitudes more so than during deflategate, the league could give a #### less, its not the validity of the claim its the volume of the morons that determines what gets covered.
BobbyLayne
Footballguy
Hey look! A poll.
Anarchy99
Footballguy
I am not sure if I agree with Bill Belichick that Bert Jones was the best QB he's ever seen, but I remember him being really, really good when he was healthy and in his prime. But that didn't last long (3 years). In that run, he had a 59 to 20 TD to INT ratio when an even or slightly above an even ratio was considered good,
Soap
Footballguy
This!
It does seem like people are either pro or anti Brady and unable to switch. As much as I hate the Patriots, I have a really hard time picking between the two. I take Peyton at the moment but if Brady drags his team to another ring, it's going to be hard to argue against him as the GOAT
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
"Drags his team to another ring"? I think the issue is that Brady supporters give him complete credit for all the success he's had in the playoffs whereas Manning haters blame him for all of his failures. Statistically, both QBs are pretty close when it comes to playoff stats. If all other things were constant in their respective careers, I have no idea who would end up being the better QB. Unfortunately we have no way if knowing. They're both great QBs. That's the only thing I know for sure.
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