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1 thing you didn't know about Tennessee Titans rookie David Cobb
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lod01
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The article has a publish date of June 13th so it wasn't that old; however, you are correct that the departures of Greene and Seastrunk have taken place now. That actually bodes well for both Sankey and Cobb, as there is now potentially less competition for touches.
Cobb seems to be in a great spot to have immediate fantasy value despite having a lower NFL draft round pedigree than Sankey. Sankey wasn't that impressive last year, and while Cobb isn't as explosive as Sankey is, Cobb has more of the build and traits that some teams consider as belonging to a 'foundation back' profile.
At the minimum, Cobb should be able to carve out a key part of the Titans RBBC in the role as a goal line, short yardage, 'grind out the clock' type of runner.
Cobb seems to be in a great spot to have immediate fantasy value despite having a lower NFL draft round pedigree than Sankey. Sankey wasn't that impressive last year, and while Cobb isn't as explosive as Sankey is, Cobb has more of the build and traits that some teams consider as belonging to a 'foundation back' profile.
At the minimum, Cobb should be able to carve out a key part of the Titans RBBC in the role as a goal line, short yardage, 'grind out the clock' type of runner.
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Biabreakable
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Seems overly optimistic to expect Cobb to produce 1k rushing yards.
The Titans ran the fewest number of offensive plays in 2014 at 919. Of those plays 38.7% of them were rushing attempts.
Assuming the Titans offense improves from being last in number of plays last season, I would expect them to run 920-950-980 total plays. At 38.7% this would be 356-368-379 rushing attempts for the team.
Mariota will likely account for 60 or more rushing attempts as a rookie QB. This could cause the run ratio to increase to 40% perhaps, but the bottom line is there will be around 300 non QB rushing attempts.
For Cobb to produce 1k rushing yards at 4ypc would require 250 rushing attempts. I certainly don't expect Cobb to pass that benchmark due to explosive plays and high ypc. I just do not see Cobb getting 83% of the RB carries in this offense.
Last season as a rookie Sankey had 152 carries, Greene had 94 and McCluster had 40 and given how carries were split between the RB with Wiz in SD prior to him taking over as HC of the Titans, as well as his track record with the Cardinals, I would expect the RB carries to be split in a similar way, with a chance that either Sankey or Cobb gets 200 or so rushing attempts in the offense but not likely 250. Because of the RB split and the limited number of total plays.
msommer
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They also din't sustain drives or score a lot. It's a bit of an Ouroboros, the snake that eats it's own tail. With a better running game they would get more plays in and there would be more running plays
E.g. 60 extra plays per season (from 2014) only takes them from 32nd in plays to 26th, 100 extra plays to 20th (where San Diego was in 2014)
If they go to the amount of plays that San Diego had in 2013 when Whisenhunt was OC they would have jumped to 13th in 2014 and had just over 118 more plays (and about the same amount of plays as they had in 2013 under Munchak)
ETA: 2007-2012 when Whisenhunt was HC in ARI the average number of plays was in the 60-64 plays per game range, or 50-100 more plays than TEN had in 2014
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LBH
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I thought he pulled his hamstring during his run? I think 40 times for RBs are a little overrated anyway
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I do think the Titans offense can improve in this area from 2014 simply because they have no where to go but up from last season where they were dead last in the number of plays run. Even just due to progression towards the mean,msommer said:
The Dallas Cowboys ran the fewest number of plays in 2013 with 957.then improved to 18th in the league with 1014 in 2014. However the Cowboys had a veteran QB and an offensive line that has become one of the better units collectively as foundations for the improvement.
The Titans were last in the league in total plays in 2012 as well. So in this area of opportunity they have been at the bottom 2 out of the last 3 seasons.
I am not really a fan of Wiz as a coach. What the chargers were able to accomplish with him in 2013 was supported by Rivers being a quality veteran QB. When he was the HC of the Cardinals they had very low volume in their rushing attack as well. The offense was much more successful when they had Kurt Warner at QB.
I do think Mariota is a better QB than Leinart or any of the other young QB that Wiz got to work with aside from Warner and Rivers. He will be a rookie this season however and therefore growing pains should be expected. Teams generally try to lean more on the running game while breaking in a rookie QB, but I do not see the supporting cast around Mariota leading to that. The offensive line took a big step back without Munchak and also due to injuries. The offensive line looks like it is being turned over now.
Considering all of these factors together I am not expecting a huge surge in total plays run by the Titans. They might manage to get out of the bottom five but I don't see them improving to league average and I doubt they reach 1k total plays. They are climbing from a bigger hole than any other team in total plays since 2010 when the Titans were also last in the league with 907 total plays. So three out of the last five seasons the Titans have been dead last in this category.
I haven't really looked at the defensive side of things for the Titans. Some improvement could happen there which could lead to more offensive opportunity. They didn't add anything to the defense from the 2015 draft until the 4th round with DT Blackson.
So I think my upside projection of 980 total plays is appropriate. Happy to hear reasons why we should expect more than that through.
Entering camp (got some time til then) this might surprise people and might not be the common viewpoint but...I think Fowler is going to lead them in rushing if Sankey fails, not Cobb.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zStxtcjBRmU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zStxtcjBRmU
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He's practiced some out wide, in the slot, F-position/split end, full back and runningback. Who does that with their FB?
It's a whole wait wha? Where did he play? type reaction
Richie Anderson when the Jets were decimated at WR by injuries. I don't know that Larry Centers ever played WR but I assume he did. Odd birds like McCluster but I mean normal FB types, that's just not normal. Every single quote is favorable, but also, isn't that a sign the coaching staff loves the guy?
Last year's poor running game led to them saying they're committed to a power running offense in 2015. Good for he and Cobb.
It also led to them ignoring Battle is even on the team and using a single back set. Sankey flat out stunk in the single back set. Fowler is the best at picking up the blitz and they keep discussing his hands as a receiver.
Connor Neighbors is a top 5 FB that is a brute typical FB not some very good athlete playing FB like Fowler-he is what you'd expect. They could easily have him start at FB if need be and Fowler at RB.
Sankey missed time last offseason due to having to finish school. This was an acceptable reason but this year there's been some "grrr if he were here last offseason" type comments. Cobb has been sitting with a hammy twinge. Are they indirectly nudging Cobb with these comments? Maybe not maybe not, but it would negatively affect him to not be taking part in practice right?
I just feel like everything is falling Fowler's way.
If he is going to stick at FB, then I'd go with Andrews yes. Suffice to say I'm not excited about Cobb or Sankey today
This guy's gotta practice and stay healthy. It's getting to a nervous point, a couple weeks it'll be too late to "catch on."
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RB David Cobb earned some first-team reps for Titans:
http://espn.go.com/blog/tennessee-titans/post/_/id/15196/rb-david-cobb-earned-some-first-team-reps-for-titans
http://espn.go.com/blog/tennessee-titans/post/_/id/15196/rb-david-cobb-earned-some-first-team-reps-for-titans
Faust
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David Cobb emerges as Titans' best option at RB:
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000511127/article/david-cobb-emerges-as-titans-best-option-at-rb
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000511127/article/david-cobb-emerges-as-titans-best-option-at-rb
ha! Love the jumpiness this time of year.
He didn't even play in the first half, beat 3rd stringers. He may, it could happen, but totally jumping the gun
Manster
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Not really sticking up for Sankey, but Im not sure any of the Titans backs will have success behind that line. What I saw in the first preseason game was a 1st team O line getting owned by a 1st team defense. Sankey didn't have much of a chance.
Maybe a bigger back like Cobb will be able to carry defenders further as he's hit in the backfield???
Maybe a bigger back like Cobb will be able to carry defenders further as he's hit in the backfield???
Yeah that's part of it.
Andrews got it done last preseason and this preseason(once) in a not so pretty way playing with the same junk linemen.
News of the week is Levitre is benched. I don't like that they went to journeymen types and not their rooks but we'll see how that plays out. It's some progress for the line. The better linemen are whom Cobb got to run with.
Hopefully for Cobb the line is improved some when he takes first team game reps but I still think it's gonna take a switch to the rooks.
It's not a bad lesson for him though. Every back has runs where there's nothing and he has to make something happen anyway. Yeah you want them wayyy less frequent, but it will happen.
I'm curious how he does. I'm totally fine with him putting his head down and taking a LB out and just getting 3 yards. Don't take zero and let's hope it wears them down.
I think it's more likely than not, that he struggles and Andrews does well again.
I expect Fowler to run some and catch some and do his thing too. He missed some practice time before week one and I imagine they'd like to utilize him more than ten plays. I imagine every RB could use a FB leading the way also.
Sabertooth
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Antonio Andrews scored from the 1 and also on a 2pt conversion. Against backups but still. He's got great size. I think this starting RB job is attainable by Andrews or Cobb.
RotoWire)Andrews rushed four times for 13 yards and a touchdown, ran in a two-point conversion, and added 25 yards on two catches in Tennessee's preseason opener against the Falcons.
Analysis: Andrews saw some action with the starting offense early in the second quarter, then took advantage of facing Atlanta's backups in the third quarter by finding paydirt from one yard out. The 23-year-old running back followed up his one-yard touchdown run with a rush for the two-point conversion, essentially making him 2-for-2 on carries by the goal line. Starter Bishop Sankey didn't do himself any favors with his performance in this game, and it's very possible Andrews could carve out a bigger piece of the rushing pie if he continues to impress the Titans coaching staff.
RotoWire)Andrews rushed four times for 13 yards and a touchdown, ran in a two-point conversion, and added 25 yards on two catches in Tennessee's preseason opener against the Falcons.
Analysis: Andrews saw some action with the starting offense early in the second quarter, then took advantage of facing Atlanta's backups in the third quarter by finding paydirt from one yard out. The 23-year-old running back followed up his one-yard touchdown run with a rush for the two-point conversion, essentially making him 2-for-2 on carries by the goal line. Starter Bishop Sankey didn't do himself any favors with his performance in this game, and it's very possible Andrews could carve out a bigger piece of the rushing pie if he continues to impress the Titans coaching staff.
TripItUp
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I think Cobb has late round appeal if he can win the job...Mariota seems capable of moving the chains.
But yeah, nothing to be terribly excited about.
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He wasn't against backups when he caught that pass to keep a stalled drive rolling along
Today I would say-
Wyatt and Glennon want Andrews
Kuharsky wants Cobb
Teresa wants Sankey
Roto keeps quoting Kuharsky and Cobb and then picking snips about Cobb from articles that aren't in his favor so...I'd also say Roto wants Cobb.
I think, as someone pointed out to me, Andrews is bound to mess up soon. He's always been "the other guy" when one of the backs mess up-the guy that does it right. How Whis reacts to this will be important. If he doesn't mess up and catch Croom's fire, I just don't see how Andrews is anything other than 2nd by week 1. A guy doesn't develop that sort of trust and confidence from the coach and wind up being fourth on the depth chart like some sites have him.
He went in when Sankey stalled a drive, he was part of the drive when Mariota did well and picked up the blitz fine, he was the GL back when Cobb moved the O...just like in camp. It's getting too near the season and seeming far-fetched to consider Andrews 4th
Wyatt and Glennon want Andrews
Kuharsky wants Cobb
Teresa wants Sankey
Roto keeps quoting Kuharsky and Cobb and then picking snips about Cobb from articles that aren't in his favor so...I'd also say Roto wants Cobb.
I think, as someone pointed out to me, Andrews is bound to mess up soon. He's always been "the other guy" when one of the backs mess up-the guy that does it right. How Whis reacts to this will be important. If he doesn't mess up and catch Croom's fire, I just don't see how Andrews is anything other than 2nd by week 1. A guy doesn't develop that sort of trust and confidence from the coach and wind up being fourth on the depth chart like some sites have him.
He went in when Sankey stalled a drive, he was part of the drive when Mariota did well and picked up the blitz fine, he was the GL back when Cobb moved the O...just like in camp. It's getting too near the season and seeming far-fetched to consider Andrews 4th
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