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RB Leonard Fournette, FA (1 Viewer)
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doeseatplace
Footballguy
I think this is the best explanation. This was a team that expected to compete for a Super Bowl behind a tough defense and strong running game. Two of their three RBs have missed games due to injury, and Yeldon is gutting out a bum ankle. Brandon Wilds, Dave Williams and Jamaal Charles ain't going to get you there. And shifting schemes mid-season to emphasize passing is tough when you have no tight ends, lost Marquise Lee (your QB's security blanket) and the o-line is playing terrible.
I don't think this is an indicator of Fournette's long term health, although they've learned all too hard they have to be prepared to play without him at any time. Also, what if Yeldon goes out with an injury Q1 of the Texans' game? There's no one credible to carry the ball until after the bye week, and this passing game is not going to bail them out
Desperate times call for desperate measures
Yeldon will also be gone after this season So why not get a proven RB for cheap now.
kittenmittens
Footballguy
Hyde is only 27 and under contract for 3 more years.
Fournette's dynasty value just crashed into a mountain. This seems highly likely to be a committee of some kind when he comes back.
Fournette's dynasty value just crashed into a mountain. This seems highly likely to be a committee of some kind when he comes back.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
Two more years. Kind of. They can cut him after the season with zero hit.
If Leonard Fournette is healthy, he’s going to get plenty of touches. His injury history is a valid concern for dynasty owners, to say the least. Carlos Hyde is a minor inconvenience, at most.
kittenmittens
Footballguy
Right, should have said the rest of this year and 2 more years.
I don't think they are going to cut Hyde unless he is bad, he isn't making a ton (not much more than they pay Yeldon) and he's not a bad player.
Fournette barely managed 1,000 yards rushing on the ground last year and isn't involved enough in the passing game to justify his value in PPR dynasty. I think this is "sky is falling" type of news - his value was already teetering and this is that nudge off the edge.
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Milkman
Footballguy
I agree with some of this. Hyde is bad news but Fournette was going to be a bigger part of the passing game this year. They have said the entire offense was built around him this year.
Milkman
Footballguy
I agree with some of this. Hyde is bad news but Fournette was going to be a bigger part of the passing game this year. They have said the entire offense was built around him this year.
NYRAGE
Footballguy
Agree. I heard the rhetoric in the pre-season and noticed in the third pre-season game that he caught a few balls. Then he caught 3 before getting hurt early in the first game of the regular season. He was probably in line for a monster season had he not gotten hurt (which might have been asking for a miracle).
(HULK)
(Smash)
Why? Just because my Mercedes is in the shop for a few weeks and I buy a used Altima to get around doesn't mean I'm driving that Altima when I get the Mercedes back.
Carlos Hyde is a used Altima of a running back and nothing more.
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Milkman
Footballguy
Milkman
Footballguy
That's a fair view if that's how you value hyde. I value Hyde a little more than that and don't think he's going anywhere. Puts a damper on Fournette's future..
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
But you may hesitate taking that Mercedes on long road trips because of its history letting you down. In fact you may find yourself driving the Altima a little more than usual in hopes to not add too much mileage and wear on the Mercedes.
Man In The Box
Footballguy
What is this guys redraft value right now? I think I may try to get a RB2 type with some upside. Alex Collins? Kerryon Johnson? I think my team may be dead by week 10 unless I move him for some help now.
(HULK)
(Smash)
Sure. But I already have my used Dodge Stratus (Yeldon) for that. My Altima will likely get used instead of my Stratus, but probably not in place of my Mercedes.
Stuart Ullman
Footballguy
You guys are overreacting. They spent a 5th round pick on a RB averaging less than 4 YPC.
Yeldon is a free agent next year. You connect the dots...
Yeldon is a free agent next year. You connect the dots...
kittenmittens
Footballguy
Averaging less than 4 YPC you say...
Just like Leonard Fournette for his career?
YPC is a stupid stat that lacks all context... But you can't really use it to say Fournette is better than Hyde. Hyde has a better career YPC.
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Stuart Ullman
Footballguy
Leonard Fournette had a 3.9YPC last season. My suggestion is to round up. He also never got a chance to improve on his rookie numbers. We don't know if he's improved yet.
Whereas Carlos Hyde's 3.4 YPC is at a career low, his old team didn't resign him, his new team traded him after 6 games for a 5th rounder; he's a descending talent.
YPC is only a stupid stat when you don't use it the right way. When you use it the right way, it paints a pretty picture!
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I think Fournette is worth more than Collins. I could see a case for Johnson though. Very curious to see if they come out of the bye week with a bigger focus on using him.
kittenmittens
Footballguy
Chris Thompson has a higher career YPC than Barry Sanders. Is that the right way to use it? ?
YPC doesn't separate the individual from his teammates blocking for him. It also doesn't separate the types of runs a player gets, which is why Chris Thompson has a higher YPC than Barry.
Stuart Ullman
Footballguy
Bad argument. Barry Sanders was used in an entirely different way in an entirely different era.
That's a bad comparison, imo. When you have to bring up a guy who played 20+ years ago, it doesn't help conflate your point.
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Interseptopus
Footballguy
Prediction: Fournette ends his season on IR
kittenmittens
Footballguy
To be clear, my point was that a 3rd down back has a better YPC than the greatest RB of all time, specifically because of how they were used and their supporting casts. YPC doesn't account for that, it doesn't tell you who the better player is at all.
Underachievers
Footballguy
You forgot that the team that traded him away is known for its dysfunction, has already traded away a number 1 talent in Gordon this year, has a rookie QB at the helm and had an inefficient one prior to the rookie (and unless it’s rookie RG3, it is probably not good for the rb), and Cleveland has an average o line at best with an offense that hasn’t figured it out. His YPC is not a fair stat to judge him on. The move overall just gives me pause about Fournette. Hyde will be serviceable and clearly they want that because they are afraid Fournette won’t be able to handle a true work horse load like they hoped
jvdesigns2002
Footballguy
Shefter reporting that Fournette is planning on returning after the bye week- which would put him back week 10. Uggh. A complete waste of a pick in redraft.
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Team Smokin'
Footballguy
Bumping for the latest. Trying to get a gauge if he is a low buy or sell, sell, sell. I see he went to D from being OUT this week. Then the bye week, then the real deal. What happens in week 10 and ROS?
shoecrew22
Footballguy
Im holding. I got him on WW a few weeks back and been stashing in my IR spot. Have to take him out of IR when they move him to D not OUT but its a juggling game. I have Conner, Hunt, Bell, Fournette, Clement, just traded away Lindsay.
Hope is week 10 he is 90%+ and can stay on field through week 16. They will use him heavily if he can handle the workload. He will be a top 15 back RoS from week 10
NeverEnough
Footballguy
In a dynasty league where I own him, I was told by a fellow owner that he has no value. LOL WHAT?!
Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
I had a dream last night that I was getting married (IRL Ive been married for 16 years so not sure..) and I was late coming out of the dressing room or whatever because at the last second I realized that Fournette was actually playing and I should have started him instead of plugging in Trenton Cannon.
No shtick.
No shtick.
Translation: I'm not comfortable paying even half of what you think he's worth, therefore he essentially has zero value because I'll never own him at his asking price.
doeseatplace
Footballguy
I'm not optimistic. The offensive line is dinged up, the offense has absolutely no rhythm and the season is on the brink of being lost. Fournette is a key piece of the Jags getting back on track this year, but he's just one piece.
NeverEnough
Footballguy
I think this guy is just ridiculous. They have no value yet he wants all of them. He followed it up with this email:
"What value does Fournette have? Diggs is low as well and fuller just tore his ACL last night lol. AJ green is the best player in that deal."
He wanted my Fournette, Diggs & Fuller for his Olsen, Callaway & AJG...
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
Well, we've known this since Week 2 or 3.
While we've also known that he might return from the bye, and given history that's no guarantee that he;ll be able to stay healthy ROS, I am taking the actual reporting out the plans he'll return after the bye as positive news. JAX may not have the team to compete, they may nearly be out of the running by then, but a Fournette on the field could be a key addition to jump-starting some (if nowhere near all) of JAX's woes, and will help my team down the stretch.
Fingers crossed.
bostonfred
Footballguy
The dressing room represents surface level change. Flashy, window dressing level stuff, like having a big name player back in your lineup. It makes you feel better.Buck Bradcanon said:I had a dream last night that I was getting married (IRL Ive been married for 16 years so not sure..) and I was late coming out of the dressing room or whatever because at the last second I realized that Fournette was actually playing and I should have started him instead of plugging in Trenton Cannon.
No shtick.
Trenton cannon represents your current self esteem issues. You feel low. Like when your lineup contains garbage like cannon. You're kind of scraping by in some areas of your life and you feel like you could be doing more if you applied yourself, and you're upset with yourself that you haven't done it yet. And you want to change but you didn't do it in time.
Getting married represents the worst thing ever. Again, change.
Put it together and i think you're hitting your mid life crisis. Starting to question things in your life - big things and little things - and wanting to change them but thinking you don't have time.
Take some time to think about and prioritize the things you want from the rest of your life. Write down your goals - a bucket list but not just short term experiences, whatever you would like to have done. Get out there and do some of the ones you won't physically be able to do in 15 years.
Buck Bradcanon
Footballguy
OMG the dream interpreter himself has spoken!!! Thanks bfred!!
ETA: Pretty damn accurate btw.
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leftcoastheel
Footballguy
I cannot wait 'til next year where I won't be taking any injury risk early in the draft.
Stompin' Tom Connors
Footballguy
A guy in my league may be interested in trading Dalvin Cook to me for Fournette.
Thoughts?
Both guys are suffering with the same type of injury, but seems to me that Cook might be the better play despite schedule ROS. Fournette, however, may be the only offense JAX can muster and at least he's been resting it longer.
Or is this just a wash in terms of trading misery for misery?
Thoughts?
Both guys are suffering with the same type of injury, but seems to me that Cook might be the better play despite schedule ROS. Fournette, however, may be the only offense JAX can muster and at least he's been resting it longer.
Or is this just a wash in terms of trading misery for misery?
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[scooter]
Footballguy
I think part of Cook's health is the typical slow recovery from his ACL surgery last year.
I think part of Fournette's health is that he's a head case.
I think that I'd rather take my chances that Cook will be close to 100% by Week 13 than Fournette.
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
leftcoastheel
Footballguy
Dude I am just as disappointed... drafted him on several FBG teams and even consistently backed him up with Yeldon.sjdogs said:
Now Yeldon is even basically worthless.
But seriously, lay off the crack. It's Fantasy Football.
