More like, "Just how in bed is this network with the league?" Hell, they fired everybody who who spoke against Goodell in the last year...Get caught and punished for cheating often enough, and the specifics start to get blurry. Props to ESPN, who could have gone with, "We accidentally cited the wrong sort of cheating."
And to prove it was false, Goodell destroyed all the evidence before anyone else could see it...It was proved to be false
Yep, at some point you lose the benefit of the doubt. This goes for ESPN and the Patriots actually - nothing I hear about either would really surprise me at this point.They've been caught cheating multiple times. People are going to assume the worst and be correct the vast majority of the time. Sorry, but I would tell my 13 yr old the same thing. If you want people to trust you, don't lie, cheat, or steal. If you do any of those things, don't be upset when you are deemed untrustworthy.
And I find it hilarious that Pats fans are complaining about ESPN not playing by the rules.
Fixed that for you.Yep, at some point you lose the benefit of the doubt. This goes for all media sources in 2015 and the Patriots actually - nothing I hear about either would really surprise me at this point.
there's a reason certain celebrities have rumors cirulating around them while others are able to keep their private lives mostly out of the limelight.They've been caught cheating multiple times. People are going to assume the worst and be correct the vast majority of the time. Sorry, but I would tell my 13 yr old the same thing. If you want people to trust you, don't lie, cheat, or steal. If you do any of those things, don't be upset when you are deemed untrustworthy.
And I find it hilarious that Pats fans are complaining about ESPN not playing by the rules.
works for me.Fixed that for you.Yep, at some point you lose the benefit of the doubt. This goes for all media sources in 2015 and the Patriots actually - nothing I hear about either would really surprise me at this point.
Even the network run out of CT who no doubt has legions of patriot fans in the office.waaahhh everyone hates us....
I could see Bill doing this.Fun time for ESPN employee Tony Dungee to come out with a charming recollection of how Manning thought he was being bugged in the Pats' locker room...
He did, I saw him on TV defending Brady regarding deflategate.How come ESPN analyst Teddy Bruschi hasn't been able to weigh in on deflategate?
On ESPN?He did, I saw him on TV defending Brady regarding deflategate.How come ESPN analyst Teddy Bruschi hasn't been able to weigh in on deflategate?
I don't remember which network I saw it, but it was shortly after the incident was reported.On ESPN?He did, I saw him on TV defending Brady regarding deflategate.How come ESPN analyst Teddy Bruschi hasn't been able to weigh in on deflategate?
I don't believe it was on ESPN. Teddy rub your nose if your in trouble.I don't remember which network I saw it, but it was shortly after the incident was reported.On ESPN?He did, I saw him on TV defending Brady regarding deflategate.How come ESPN analyst Teddy Bruschi hasn't been able to weigh in on deflategate?
No Teddy ... you're nose!I don't believe it was on ESPN. Teddy rub your nose if your in trouble.I don't remember which network I saw it, but it was shortly after the incident was reported.On ESPN?He did, I saw him on TV defending Brady regarding deflategate.How come ESPN analyst Teddy Bruschi hasn't been able to weigh in on deflategate?
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mAEHi-83azYI don't believe it was on ESPN. Teddy rub your nose if your in trouble.I don't remember which network I saw it, but it was shortly after the incident was reported.On ESPN?He did, I saw him on TV defending Brady regarding deflategate.How come ESPN analyst Teddy Bruschi hasn't been able to weigh in on deflategate?
I think you are mis-interpreting the reason why they are hated. At least for most of us, it has nothing to do with their success. For me, it is due to their arrogant denial of the facts when caught red-handed. Robert Kraft made himself look like a complete ### when he was blasting the NFL for even insinuating that Tom Brady could be capable of cheating. Well, it's glaringly apparent that he did. If Brady had simply come out in the beginning of the Deflate-gate controversy and said "Of course I had them deflate the balls a fractional amount. I don't know a QB in the league that DOESN'T taylor the footballs to his liking", this would have been over with in the first few days.I can speak most patriots fans. No one is paranoid around these parts. I thinks it comical how much this dynasty is hated. It's been 15 years of dominance.
It would be toughPatriot fans' paranoia continues to run deep. Guys, people aren't randomly picking on you. People hate cheaters. Sorry if that's upsetting to you. Switch teams if it bothers you. Plenty of teams out there that play by the rules.
One championship in ten years? And their MVP was Pete Carroll. Wow. Dominance. Break up the Pats.I can speak most patriots fans. No one is paranoid around these parts. I thinks it comical how much this dynasty is hated. It's been 15 years of dominance.
Or.One championship in ten years? And their MVP was Pete Carroll. Wow. Dominance. Break up the Pats.I can speak most patriots fans. No one is paranoid around these parts. I thinks it comical how much this dynasty is hated. It's been 15 years of dominance.
Do you think they will ever cheat again in your lifetime?I can speak most patriots fans. No one is paranoid around these parts. I thinks it comical how much this dynasty is hated. It's been 15 years of dominance.
One championship in the last ten years. And it was a gift. That's not dominance.Or.One championship in ten years? And their MVP was Pete Carroll. Wow. Dominance. Break up the Pats.I can speak most patriots fans. No one is paranoid around these parts. I thinks it comical how much this dynasty is hated. It's been 15 years of dominance.
A regular season record of 170-54
9 AFC championship appearances with 6 titles
6 Super Bowl appearances with 4 rings
12 AFC east championships
12 playoff appearances
But whatever you want to consider dominance.
The kind of gift the Giants got??One championship in the last ten years. And it was a gift. That's not dominance. They have been consistently good. I'll give you that.Or.A regular season record of 170-54One championship in ten years? And their MVP was Pete Carroll. Wow. Dominance. Break up the Pats.I can speak most patriots fans. No one is paranoid around these parts. I thinks it comical how much this dynasty is hated. It's been 15 years of dominance.
9 AFC championship appearances with 6 titles
6 Super Bowl appearances with 4 rings
12 AFC east championships
12 playoff appearances
But whatever you want to consider dominance.
I must have missed Belichick's monumentally horrible play call against the Giants.The kind of gift the Giants got??One championship in the last ten years. And it was a gift. That's not dominance. They have been consistently good. I'll give you that.Or.A regular season record of 170-54One championship in ten years? And their MVP was Pete Carroll. Wow. Dominance. Break up the Pats.I can speak most patriots fans. No one is paranoid around these parts. I thinks it comical how much this dynasty is hated. It's been 15 years of dominance.
9 AFC championship appearances with 6 titles
6 Super Bowl appearances with 4 rings
12 AFC east championships
12 playoff appearances
But whatever you want to consider dominance.
We can go back and forth I was just proving a point. Put the hatred aside and any knowledgable football fan would agree the pats have been dominant for the last 15 yearsI must have missed Belichick's monumentally horrible play call against the Giants.The kind of gift the Giants got??One championship in the last ten years. And it was a gift. That's not dominance. They have been consistently good. I'll give you that.Or.A regular season record of 170-54One championship in ten years? And their MVP was Pete Carroll. Wow. Dominance. Break up the Pats.I can speak most patriots fans. No one is paranoid around these parts. I thinks it comical how much this dynasty is hated. It's been 15 years of dominance.
9 AFC championship appearances with 6 titles
6 Super Bowl appearances with 4 rings
12 AFC east championships
12 playoff appearances
But whatever you want to consider dominance.
Dominant in Brady's first four years. Consistently good since. Sorry, but a team can't be considered dominant when they've only won it once in ten years.,dansav said:We can go back and forth I was just proving a point. Put the hatred aside and any knowledgable football fan would agree the pats have been dominant for the last 15 yearsJuniorNB said:I must have missed Belichick's monumentally horrible play call against the Giants.dansav said:The kind of gift the Giants got??JuniorNB said:One championship in the last ten years. And it was a gift. That's not dominance. They have been consistently good. I'll give you that.dansav said:Or.A regular season record of 170-54JuniorNB said:One championship in ten years? And their MVP was Pete Carroll. Wow. Dominance. Break up the Pats.dansav said:I can speak most patriots fans. No one is paranoid around these parts. I thinks it comical how much this dynasty is hated. It's been 15 years of dominance.
9 AFC championship appearances with 6 titles
6 Super Bowl appearances with 4 rings
12 AFC east championships
12 playoff appearances
But whatever you want to consider dominance.
Yeah, it's almost as if he thinks a SINGLE football a couple of psi off shouldn't carry twice the penalty of a guy behind the wheel of a car on drugs endangering peoples lives. That Schefter is nuts!purestrength said:To me, Adam Schefter sounds like he's rooting for Brady's suspension to be wiped out. If anything, ESPN seems pro-Patriots.
I don't think they will ever throw an entire NFL season to draft a certain quarterback in my lifetime. Do you know any teams that have done that in your lifetime?JohnnyU said:Do you think they will ever cheat again in your lifetime?dansav said:I can speak most patriots fans. No one is paranoid around these parts. I thinks it comical how much this dynasty is hated. It's been 15 years of dominance.
Not just good posting, GREAT posting. The fact ESPN holds Goodell above criticism tells you all you need to know about both the netwotk and the man. At least you can use the national enquirer to line your birdcage or help start a campfire. I honestly have no idea what ESPN is good for.Old Smiley said:More like, "Just how in bed is this network with the league?" Hell, they fired everybody who who spoke against Goodell in the last year...Freelove said:Get caught and punished for cheating often enough, and the specifics start to get blurry. Props to ESPN, who could have gone with, "We accidentally cited the wrong sort of cheating."
Is this even possible? Who did you think was complicit? How do you talk a head coach into that? Caldwell got fired right after the season. If I agreed to tank a season I'd want some guarantee I was going to get to reap the benefits the next few seasons.I don't think they will ever throw an entire NFL season to draft a certain quarterback in my lifetime. Do you know any teams that have done that in your lifetime?JohnnyU said:Do you think they will ever cheat again in your lifetime?dansav said:I can speak most patriots fans. No one is paranoid around these parts. I thinks it comical how much this dynasty is hated. It's been 15 years of dominance.
Old Smiley said:More like, "Just how in bed is this network with the league?" Hell, they fired everybody who who spoke against Goodell in the last year...Freelove said:Get caught and punished for cheating often enough, and the specifics start to get blurry. Props to ESPN, who could have gone with, "We accidentally cited the wrong sort of cheating."
spot on
You are right, if you are trying towin an NFL game(or maybe even two?) the best replacement to possibly start a game for your franchise is a broken down 39 year old Kerry Collins. The front office put forth a herculean effort to win that season. I am surprised they didn't bring in Ken Stabler.Is this even possible? Who did you think was complicit? How do you talk a head coach into that? Caldwell got fired right after the season. If I agreed to tank a season I'd want some guarantee I was going to get to reap the benefits the next few seasons.I don't think they will ever throw an entire NFL season to draft a certain quarterback in my lifetime. Do you know any teams that have done that in your lifetime?JohnnyU said:Do you think they will ever cheat again in your lifetime?dansav said:I can speak most patriots fans. No one is paranoid around these parts. I thinks it comical how much this dynasty is hated. It's been 15 years of dominance.
I can see the Patriots not fielding their best team once Brady hangs up the cleats if someone as good as Luck will be in the next draft. I wouldn't blame them if they did. It's not like it would have been in the best interest of the Colts to go out and trade for a good veteran QB once Manning went down. That is just bad business given the perceived strength of that QBs coming in the next draft.I don't think they will ever throw an entire NFL season to draft a certain quarterback in my lifetime. Do you know any teams that have done that in your lifetime?JohnnyU said:Do you think they will ever cheat again in your lifetime?dansav said:I can speak most patriots fans. No one is paranoid around these parts. I thinks it comical how much this dynasty is hated. It's been 15 years of dominance.
Blathering? Only one of us is blathering, fool. So your entire premise is based on their QB selection? By not bringing in a better FA (of which I recall none), that action alone is how they tanked an entire season. Geez.You are right, if you are trying towin an NFL game(or maybe even two?) the best replacement to possibly start a game for your franchise is a broken down 39 year old Kerry Collins. The front office put forth a herculean effort to win that season. I am surprised they didn't bring in Ken Stabler.Is this even possible? Who did you think was complicit? How do you talk a head coach into that? Caldwell got fired right after the season. If I agreed to tank a season I'd want some guarantee I was going to get to reap the benefits the next few seasons.I don't think they will ever throw an entire NFL season to draft a certain quarterback in my lifetime. Do you know any teams that have done that in your lifetime?JohnnyU said:Do you think they will ever cheat again in your lifetime?dansav said:I can speak most patriots fans. No one is paranoid around these parts. I thinks it comical how much this dynasty is hated. It's been 15 years of dominance.
I have no idea what you are blathering on about with the coach. Do you think Bill Walsh could have "coached up" Painter and Collins from his golden girl years to win more than a couple of games on that team that was built to completely revolve around the QB position?
Nevermind, you are right. There are no possible options to acquire a QB better than a 39yo Kerry Collins as his QB rating of ~65 clearly indicates. I am obviously a "fool" and you are clearly a genius. Well done.Blathering? Only one of us is blathering, fool. So your entire premise is based on their QB selection? By not bringing in a better FA (of which I recall none), that action alone is how they tanked an entire season. Geez.You are right, if you are trying towin an NFL game(or maybe even two?) the best replacement to possibly start a game for your franchise is a broken down 39 year old Kerry Collins. The front office put forth a herculean effort to win that season. I am surprised they didn't bring in Ken Stabler.I have no idea what you are blathering on about with the coach. Do you think Bill Walsh could have "coached up" Painter and Collins from his golden girl years to win more than a couple of games on that team that was built to completely revolve around the QB position?Is this even possible? Who did you think was complicit? How do you talk a head coach into that? Caldwell got fired right after the season. If I agreed to tank a season I'd want some guarantee I was going to get to reap the benefits the next few seasons.I don't think they will ever throw an entire NFL season to draft a certain quarterback in my lifetime. Do you know any teams that have done that in your lifetime?JohnnyU said:Do you think they will ever cheat again in your lifetime?dansav said:I can speak most patriots fans. No one is paranoid around these parts. I thinks it comical how much this dynasty is hated. It's been 15 years of dominance.