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Thomas Rawls, RB, CMU/Seahawks (1 Viewer)
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SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
So. This looks like a muddle. Possible lingering injury, badly outproduced, crummy line. I'm looking for the player I saw last year, he must still be there somewhere.
That game was almost unwatchable btw, painful just on a football level.
That game was almost unwatchable btw, painful just on a football level.
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tombonneau
Footballguy
I'm holding in dynasty where I own the lot of this underperforming running game, but looking to sell in redraft. Non-ppr offered s/u for Blount to C-mike owner. He's stacked and could be the kind of deal that wins him the league if/when Rawls and Hawks pull out of their slow start which they seem to do every year. But like many redraft owners, can't afford to go to 0-3.
Sadly, if he didn't have C-mike I think he would decline, that's how bad Rawls value seems to me.
Anyone else cutting bait? What kind of offers been accepted/declined?
Cowboysfan8
Footballguy
tombonneau
Footballguy
Double nope. Gonna play either Sharpe, CMike or DWash in .5ppr or Derrick Henry in non-ppr. Like all owners I'll happily watch him go off for 120/1 on my bench.
SaintsInDome2006
Footballguy
Looking unlikely. Really it's a bust until the bye I think.
BigSteelThrill
Footballguy
I'm not playing Baldwin in two leagues where I own him because of that mess, but I have solid options. Really don't have any doubts that the offense will get on track though.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Frank Black
Footballguy
They need to shut Rawls down until he's 100%. In the interim, CMike seems good enough to remain the starting RB for ROS barring injury.
tombonneau
Footballguy
Ugh. Glad I have Cmike in dynasty, but this really sucks. I think Rawls value is close to worthless now in redraft.
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
LBH
Footballguy
shadyridr
Footballguy
Hes out 4-6 weeks, coming off multiple leg fractures, and was an undrafted rookie who had 2 good games last year. Its not like they have invested a lot in him. Michael has pretty much taken the job from him.
Tau837
Footballguy
I fully expect Rawls to be the starter as soon as he is healthy enough to handle a full workload for a couple weeks in a row. In the interim, I fully expect Michael to mostly play well mixed in with just enough WTF moments that the coaching staff will be ready to move Rawls ahead of him when he is ready.
This is where I am as well.
Those quotes from Carroll and Bevell about how Rawls is the embodiment of what they want to be as a team are like a week or two old.
Meanwhile Michael is a guy they cut last year, even with Lynch shelved and Rawls the only real competition for carries.
Banger
Footballguy
Banger
Footballguy
last year is last year and ancient history. Last week is far more relevant than what happened a year + ago.
Milkman
Footballguy
This is def in the range of outcomes but the more good games C-Mike has, like this weekend, the less chance there is of it happening. Let's say C-Mike plays well again. Another 100 yards on 20 carries and a TD with no wtf moments this week. They are just going to throw Rawls back in there after the bye as the lead RB? Probably more like a 70/30 split with C-Mike getting the bigger workload. By then it's pretty close to a situation where Rawls would have to win the job back which could take weeks if it ever happens.
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Nah, Michael is who he is. If you want to buy into the whole "changed man" narrative, be my guest. Usually, guys don't change.
The main question is whether Rawls' health will allow him to get back to the level he played at last year.
kittenmittens
Footballguy
As a Rawls owner in dynasty I am kicking myself for not owning CMike.
I could have snagged him off waivers at some point... Oops.
CMike looks terrific
I could have snagged him off waivers at some point... Oops.
CMike looks terrific
Wonderllama
Footballguy
Rawls is done for the foreseeable future. Maybe, maybe he makes some noise toward the end of the season but it would be silly to waste a roster spot for that.
You have to adapt and move on quickly in fantasy, or you'll be left behind.
You have to adapt and move on quickly in fantasy, or you'll be left behind.
Frank Black
Footballguy
As a Rawls owner, I wish I could believe that, but I have a hard time seeing it play out that way unless Cmike starts playing badly. Although there are not many late bloomers in the NFL playing skilled positions, it's happened enough to see how Cmike may be one of them.
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Banger
Footballguy
Health is certainly the largest issue.
These situations are tough and I've been caught on both sides over the years (P. Holmes, C. Benson, T. Jones, Freeman, Forsett). I thought they were busts/bums and ignored them while they had later success for a time period after struggles early struggles....what has worked best for me is to not think that I know best and watch what's actually happening on the field.
I don't see Rawls going away but I don't think he's guaranteed anything...it will all depend on how Michael is doing and how the team is running. Rawls will certainly get his shot when he returns/gets healthy but his future success will depend on if he out performs Michael side by side or not. If he doesn't play better he won't be the lead dog, nor should he be.
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Frank Black
Footballguy
Unless roster space is at a premium, it seems premature to drop Rawls until we know more. At a mimimum, why not shop him to the Cmike owner instead of flat out dropping him?
Hawkeye21
Footballguy
I've been trying to shop Rawls all season and no one wants him. Probably why I got him so cheap in my auction draft. No team is going to be willing to trade me a better player than Duke Johnson. They would offer me some crap off their bench.
Sometimes you have to adapt and move on quickly, other times you have to be patient.
signed,
guy that adapted and moved on quickly on C.J. Anderson in 2014, right before he blew up
Banger
Footballguy
Hooper31
Footballguy
I think the major problem that we as fantasy owners (yes, me too) is that we credit the statistics too often to the RB instead of the O-line. On the Michael's first carry of the game that went for a long TD he was untouched. Was he quick to the hole? Yes. Were there tons of other RBs that would have scored on the same play? Yes. The credit on that play entirely belonged to those doing the dirty work. Even the WRs on the left side (one was Richardson) were locked down on a defender creating a huge hole in the defense. I think the coaches know and understand this better than we do.
Nah who knew. I literally just traded Alshon Jeffrey for Cobb and Rawls two days ago. I'm much dumber. But no one has a crystal ball.
I'd love to think the starting job is Rawls when he comes back but I don't believe it for a second. I can either sell him low or just hold him and hope now. Oh well
More than 2 good games. Personally I don't trust Michael to keep the job at this point. Maybe he will but there's no way Rawls shouldn't be rostered unless you have a very small roster size. Even if Michael continues to impress, as a backup, Rawls is worth rostering in most leagues.
Timmay
Footballguy
If Rawls owners should ever be nervous about someone taking the starting job, it should be after this week. Sure CMike ran all over the 49ers, but he still showed signs of good things.
Gr00vus
Footballguy
Look, let's not get ahead of ourselves here. I'm still nervous about him having functioning legs. I can't move on to worry about whether he'll get any playing time yet.
Biabreakable
Footballguy
I never thought of Richardson being a good blocker, but if he is doing a good job there that is a good explanation for why he has been playing more than Lockett. Thanks for the insight on this.
I presume Kearse is very good at blocking as well?
I am completely at a loss regarding Rawls. What a waste of a high pick when I (we?) thought he was a steal where he was going.
Any homer info on what his latest injury means? What does OUT a few weeks mean? Are we talking 6-8? 2 weeks?
Can a RB really recover from a hairline fracture in a few short weeks and be productive upon return?
Even if he does return with CMike doing well it is looking very poor for getting any real production ROS.
I am strongly considering dropping him. If I knew he'd be out more 4+ weeks he'd be gone. 2 weeks...I can try and live with and hope CMike reverts to his old self.
What a mess.
Any homer info on what his latest injury means? What does OUT a few weeks mean? Are we talking 6-8? 2 weeks?
Can a RB really recover from a hairline fracture in a few short weeks and be productive upon return?
Even if he does return with CMike doing well it is looking very poor for getting any real production ROS.
I am strongly considering dropping him. If I knew he'd be out more 4+ weeks he'd be gone. 2 weeks...I can try and live with and hope CMike reverts to his old self.
What a mess.
thehoch
Footballguy
I'm dropping him. I just went back and watched his early games....he's not the same guy from last year. Even if he comes back, he'll be splitting time, might need more time to rehab, plus CJ is going to be in picture now too. I'm picking up Smallwood....and moving on
I don't quite have the 'nads yet for that...but, like I said, getting very very close. Only thing stopping me is my ownership bias from the relatively high slot he was picked.
Tough to drop him having gotten absolutely no value from him at all but it just looks like a lost season for him.
thehoch
Footballguy
I went through this same thing with CJ Anderson. He was horrible for most of the season, I held him for many many weeks. Finally dropped him, and then last few weeks he rebounded and had a few nice games.
Even though he rebounded, by holding him, I passed up opportunity to get other players on the waiver who could of helped me. They say Rawls will be out 4-6 weeks. Let's say it's actually 7 weeks. Then he needs 2 weeks or so to rehab or be worked into the games. That could be 9-10 weeks. You only have 4 games left for the season and then you have to figure he could be splitting time with Michael or even C.J.....maybe the Hawks even go out and sign someone like Karlos Williams. The Hawks had a bunch of running backs in yesterday for a try-out.
You can hold on......I get it......but I've been there done that. Even if he rebounds last few weeks, I'm cutting bait now, rather than pass on a waiver wire talent who can help me now. If Rawls was a young Adrian Peterson.....and was out for a month lets say, then obviously you hold. But....he's not. He looked really below average his first few weeks. Something isn't right....so.....Good Luck
