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WR Laquon Treadwell, SEA (3 Viewers)

During ESPN's draft coverage, Kiper, in addition to noting Boldin as a comp (6'1", 215 lbs. coming out of Florida State, now 220 lbs., ran a 4.71 at the combine, bettered I think at his pro day, has a game based on physicality, competitive, bullies DBs, routinely wins contested catches, high football IQ, route technician, great blocker, etc.), also cited TO and Michael Irvin.

TO is 6'3", 225 lbs. (Kiper said closer to 215 lbs. coming out of college, don't know his 40 time, but think it was in the 4.5-4.6 neighborhood?).

Irvin (who Turner had a very successful history with) is listed as 6'2", 205 lbs., not sure if or how much his weigh may have ranged from college to his NFL peak, I thought he was a bit bigger as a pro, perhaps not, ran a 4.52?     

 
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I'm hoping Treadwell can get Bridgewater up to 20 TDs in a year.

Not asking much of Teddy. Just up to mediocre would be nice.

 
This player was generally taken before Corey Coleman in fantasy drafts because he was Dez Bryant lite. Am I correct? He is still running with the second team?

 
georg013 said:
This player was generally taken before Corey Coleman in fantasy drafts because he was Dez Bryant lite. Am I correct? He is still running with the second team?
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I really like Coleman as well, just to preface. Own pretty much all the rookie WR's somewhere this year. But you may want to wait until some actual football is being played before you start chirping about "your guy" being better. These things never end well when you brag this early. 

 
georg013 said:
This player was generally taken before Corey Coleman in fantasy drafts because he was Dez Bryant lite. Am I correct? He is still running with the second team?
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Still with the second team but he mixes in with the first team. He plays a lot in goal line with the first team.

Treadwell has been making plays. Charles Johnson is playing like his hair is on fire right now however and having a great camp.

 
ConnSKINS26 said:
I really like Coleman as well, just to preface. Own pretty much all the rookie WR's somewhere this year. But you may want to wait until some actual football is being played before you start chirping about "your guy" being better. These things never end well when you brag this early. 
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Pump the damn brakes Conn. Nobody is chirping. Just asking a question. I own Treadwell.

 
The Vikings listed Laquon Treadwell behind Charles Johnson at X receiver on their initial preseason depth chart.
As the St. Paul Pioneer Press notes, Johnson has been running ahead of Treadwell "throughout camp." Some reports have indicated Treadwell is struggling, while Z receiver Stefon Diggs has shined. Despite his first-round resume, we're not yet ready to assume Treadwell will be a surefire Week 1 starter.

Related: Charles Johnson
 
Source: St. Paul Pioneer Press 
Aug 8 - 3:49 PM
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ESPN 1500's Bo Mitchell believes first-round WR Laquon Treadwell will be "phased in over time."
Treadwell was listed behind Charles Johnson on the Vikings' initial depth chart, and Mitchell expects that arrangement to hold into the regular season. The Vikings did make Stefon Diggs sit out the first three games last season, but he was a fifth-round pick. It would be odd for a team in need to weapons to sit a first-rounder early in the year, but both Diggs and Johnson have earned praise for their performances in camp. Possibly the third option in a low-volume passing attack, Treadwell is not a must-draft player in standard leagues.

 
 
Source: ESPN 1500 Twin Cities 
Aug 9 - 8:43 AM
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Laquon Treadwell caught four passes for 41 yards in the Vikings' preseason opener Friday night.
The good news is Treadwell led Minnesota in receiving on the night. The bad news is he played clearly behind Charles Johnson, who caught a 49-yard touchdown pass from Teddy Bridgewater. Treadwell logged only three snaps with the Treadwell group and primarily played with Shaun Hill. Treadwell has depth chart climbing to do if he's going to be a Week 1 starter.

 
 
 
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OK, this is totally hacky, but what do people think of the "Ignore the hyped 2nd-year Vikings WR and grab the rookie" trend of the past few years? Two years it ago it was Patterson/Johnson, last year it was Johnson/Diggs, so by that logic we should ignore the Diggs buzz and get Treadwell. Right?

 
so basically he didn't even see the field in week 1.

he's either an amazing buy low in dyno or the future isn't bright.

i'm trying to think of recent receivers who started so low on depth chart while healthy and still panned out in the first few years... not having much luck.

anyone have any comps for this? any silver lining?

 
strong said:
so basically he didn't even see the field in week 1.

he's either an amazing buy low in dyno or the future isn't bright.
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Or, his value is exactly where it was two days ago because it's just week 1 of his rookie season. What dynasty owner is going to sell "low" on their first round pick after one game?

 
strong said:
...any silver lining?
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All their other WR's suck, save Diggs, and he is small.

He's a physical, fight for the ball type guy, but not a burner.  Not saying he's Fitz or Dez, but they fit the same description.

He JUST turned 21.

All the other big name rookie WR's are, AT LEAST, a year older than him.

I drafted him as the 1st WR off the board in my rookie draft last week, expecting this may be a "redshirt" season.

 
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strong said:
so basically he didn't even see the field in week 1.

he's either an amazing buy low in dyno or the future isn't bright.

i'm trying to think of recent receivers who started so low on depth chart while healthy and still panned out in the first few years... not having much luck.

anyone have any comps for this? any silver lining?
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 Nothing changes after one week for a player in dynasty unless he gets injured.  As a Vikings fan,  no one knows what this offense will look like this year until Bradford gets at least three starts under his belt.    Even with Teddy, this was not going to be a potent offense that could support two or three wide receivers for fantasy.  Diggs  is really the only one that will get consistent targets, then I would say it's Rudolph and then Johnson. 

Theilen  Will be the clutch possession receiver until Treadwell develops more rapport with whoever the starting quarterback will be. 

I will say though, if Treadwell doesn't see much playing time this year I would be buying him in the off-season because at that point owners might be a bit panicked.

 
Oh, and Charles Johnson caught 1 of 6 targets for 5 yards yesterday.

 
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One silver lining is that Treadwell was active for the 1st game while Jarius Wright was not. Treadwell did not play any snaps however.

In a game like this with Shaun Hill starting, the Vikings threw the ball more than they wanted to, because the running game wasn't working. This was a situation where a lot of things were unknown and the Vikings trying to find their way on offense with a lot of questions as it was, they didn't want to add rookie mistakes to that as well. It is kind of surprising Treadwell was active as he didn't play any special teams. 

Long term outlook may be required as the Vikings didn't play 1st round pick Trey Waynes for most of the regular season last year. The Vikings coaches have a belief in players becoming better after they have had a year in the system. So no real rush to play him as long as the other WR are doing their jobs, which they are doing for the most part, even with Hill as the QB.

I could see Treadwell earning playing time later on in the season if he continues to improve. He did not look ready for much playing time based on what I saw of Treadwell in the preseason, but that could change.

 
LittlePhatty said:
Or, his value is exactly where it was two days ago because it's just week 1 of his rookie season. What dynasty owner is going to sell "low" on their first round pick after one game?
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and while i agree that one game shouldn't change much, my question was can anyone find comps that give a healthy, benched round 1 receiver like treadwell a positive outlook.

looking around, i don't see any examples that turned out bright. 

im fine on the theories of dyno and understand that his age is a factor. im curious about the realities and so far nobody has mentioned any names...

 
strong said:
im fine on the theories of dyno and understand that his age is a factor. im curious about the realities and so far nobody has mentioned any names...
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The reality is that if there are 100 other names that were successful in the same situation, none of them were named Laquon Treadwell.

Another reality is that if there are zero other names that were successful in the same situation, none of them were named Laquon Treadwell.

...but this exercise is pointless, imo, so I'll let someone else dig.

 
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It is hard to know the injury status for the first week of the regular season for every rookie, but Reggie Wayne and Demayius Thomas did not play in the first regular season game of their rookie seasons. I am sure there are many others. The criteria of healthy, 1st round pick, and benched in game one is pretty narrow and has to cover long time frames for there to be any possible comparable players. I am sure there are others besides these examples, if Wayne or Thomas were held out due to injury, sorry I just don't remember.

 
strong said:
and while i agree that one game shouldn't change much, my question was can anyone find comps that give a healthy, benched round 1 receiver like treadwell a positive outlook.

looking around, i don't see any examples that turned out bright. 

im fine on the theories of dyno and understand that his age is a factor. im curious about the realities and so far nobody has mentioned any names...
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Keenan Allen didn't play week 1 of his rookie year (or if he did, he didn't get a target/reception).  Round 3 WR

Allen Robinson had 3 targets, 1 catch, 0 yards in week 1 of his rookie year.  Round 2 WR

D Thomas had no stats week 1 of his rookie year.  Round 1 WR

Michael Crabtree had no stats week 1 of his rookie year.  Round 1 WR

I have no idea if these guys were injured or not in their week 1 game of their rookie season. 

You say you are curious about reality, but the reality is that each WR is different, each situation is different.  How many of the other 1st round WRs were rehabbing from a major injury most of the offseason, were drafted to a run-first team with a strong defense, lost the starting QB less than 2 weeks before the season, had a journeyman QB throwing to them, had that aforementioned D score 2 TDs, making it so that their team wasn't throwing the ball much?

 
Biabreakable said:
It is hard to know the injury status for the first week of the regular season for every rookie, but Reggie Wayne and Demayius Thomas did not play in the first regular season game of their rookie seasons. I am sure there are many others. The criteria of healthy, 1st round pick, and benched in game one is pretty narrow and has to cover long time frames for there to be any possible comparable players. I am sure there are others besides these examples, if Wayne or Thomas were held out due to injury, sorry I just don't remember.
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I don't even know how I'd search for this tbh. 

 
Bayhawks said:
Michael Crabtree had no stats week 1 of his rookie year.  Round 1 WR
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Contract holdout his rookie year, I think he missed half a season.

Anyway, it doesn't bother me if "comparables" can be found or not. For every one found that matches, there are probably an equal number of players who had outstanding first games and faded into the sea of JAGs out there too.

 
spider321 said:
The reality is that if there are 100 other names that were successful in the same situation, none of them were named Laquon Treadwell.

Another reality is that if there are zero other names that were successful in the same situation, none of them were named Laquon Treadwell.

...but this exercise is pointless, imo, so I'll let someone else dig.
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if you think finding historical comps is pointless, then fine. but personally, i'd rather not just throw darts blindfolded while listening to some coach speak... i come from a camp that believes if there are zero good comps then there's reason for alarm... even if it's one game.

 
strong said:
if you think finding historical comps is pointless, then fine. but personally, i'd rather not just throw darts blindfolded while listening to some coach speak... i come from a camp that believes if there are zero good comps then there's reason for alarm... even if it's one game.
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I have seen a roulette wheel spin 3 times.  The ball landed on 30 every time.

I'm gonna outsmart the casino, and bet it all on 30 next go around.

Wish me luck!

 
Really feel like Bradford I'd an upgrade over TBridge as a passer, and I think we'll see some of Treadwell eventually this season.  But the old adage used to be that often times even top receivers didn't really perform until their third year.  In recent years we've been a bit spoiled on this point, but it's still one of the more difficult positions for rookies and I don't view week 1 as a problem.  I bet he starts getting some action by midseason and does well with the opportunities.  

 
Bayhawks said:
Keenan Allen didn't play week 1 of his rookie year (or if he did, he didn't get a target/reception).  Round 3 WR

Allen Robinson had 3 targets, 1 catch, 0 yards in week 1 of his rookie year.  Round 2 WR

D Thomas had no stats week 1 of his rookie year.  Round 1 WR

Michael Crabtree had no stats week 1 of his rookie year.  Round 1 WR

I have no idea if these guys were injured or not in their week 1 game of their rookie season. 

You say you are curious about reality, but the reality is that each WR is different, each situation is different.  How many of the other 1st round WRs were rehabbing from a major injury most of the offseason, were drafted to a run-first team with a strong defense, lost the starting QB less than 2 weeks before the season, had a journeyman QB throwing to them, had that aforementioned D score 2 TDs, making it so that their team wasn't throwing the ball much?
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thanks.

looked into these:

d thomas: stress fracture and didn't suit up. first game week 2: 8 for 87 on 9 targets.

michael crabtree: contract hold out and din't sign until october 7. suited up three weeks later. first game week 6: 5 for 56 on 6 targets.

k allen: didn't play week 1 even after denario alexander suffered a torn ACL in preseason. after floyd suffered a season ending injury week 1, allen saw some playing time and targets week 2: 2 for 34 on 3 targets.

a robinson: barely targeted week 1 but week 2: 4 for 75 on 6 targets.

personally, i think comparing treadwell with later round picks muddies the waters. we all know there's been plenty of late bloomers. we're looking for high end draft picks who failed to move up the depth chart early on but still turned into productive pros.

and allen robinson might be a decent comp here as someone who didn't show week 1 and gives us something to hope for. but still it's kind of disconcerting if there is hardly any precedent for this sort of "wait and see" approach on a first round talent... 

my hunch is if it doesn't seem like his playing time is going to increase soon and we don't get some positive news soon, i'd recommend biting the bullet and jumping ship hoping other people are still reading preseason dyno rankings.

 
strong said:
if you think finding historical comps is pointless, then fine. but personally, i'd rather not just throw darts blindfolded while listening to some coach speak... i come from a camp that believes if there are zero good comps then there's reason for alarm... even if it's one game.
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How about Antonio Brown? Good enough to ease your mind?

Edit: still in my opinion it means nothing. Unless the Vikings came out and gave some concerning reason why he didn't play, it does not change his value at all in my opinion.

 
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Otis said:
Really feel like Bradford I'd an upgrade over TBridge as a passer, and I think we'll see some of Treadwell eventually this season.  But the old adage used to be that often times even top receivers didn't really perform until their third year.  In recent years we've been a bit spoiled on this point, but it's still one of the more difficult positions for rookies and I don't view week 1 as a problem.  I bet he starts getting some action by midseason and does well with the opportunities.  
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Disagree on Bradford upgrade, but your second point (3rd year breakout rule becoming obsolete) got me thinking...the reason rookie WRs breakout right away now is with rule changes, route running has become less important and athletic skills more so. Simply easier to get open with the defense being at a disadvantage from a rules perspective. 

Treadwell is a throwback receiver. Skilled route runner. Strong. Technical. But - he won't blow anyone away. So he needs a bit to learn the speed/concepts/techniques of better competition. 

Roddy White. Antonio Brown. Both became studs once they got the pro game down.  

 
LittlePhatty said:
How about Antonio Brown? Good enough to ease your mind?
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as a career arc? sure. it's nice to see that other players who were non-existent in their first game turned out fine.

but as a comp, he was a 6th round pick and i think it's safe to operate under slightly different expectations with how 1st rounders and 6th rounders play in their rookie season.

 
mr roboto said:
Roddy White. 
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interesting. first round player. active but not involved until midseason and turned it up after that. that's a good comp, especially if we buy into the idea that they didn't show much early in their rookie seasons for similar reasons.

it is admittedly a little troubling that we've had to go back to 2005 considering there's been 42 first round receivers selected in that time frame...

 
strong said:
interesting. first round player. active but not involved until midseason and turned it up after that. that's a good comp, especially if we buy into the idea that they didn't show much early in their rookie seasons for similar reasons.

it is admittedly a little troubling that we've had to go back to 2005 considering there's been 42 first round receivers selected in that time frame...
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Troubling?  I mean we knew he wasn't an athletic freak. We knew the Vikes were a conservative, run-first team with a safe but unagressive young QB. Then he got hurt. 10 days before the season started. Now we have an even more conservative, even less aggressive career backup closer to 40 than 30. 

Just let it play out man. There's getting a jump on others, then there's first week conclusions that are meaningless. 

 
Biabreakable said:
It is hard to know the injury status for the first week of the regular season for every rookie, but Reggie Wayne and Demayius Thomas did not play in the first regular season game of their rookie seasons. I am sure there are many others. The criteria of healthy, 1st round pick, and benched in game one is pretty narrow and has to cover long time frames for there to be any possible comparable players. I am sure there are others besides these examples, if Wayne or Thomas were held out due to injury, sorry I just don't remember.
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Demaryius Thomas broke his foot working out for the combine, and during TC he aggravated the injury.  He missed the opener due to an injury.  I don't recall Wayne's situation.

I don't see the need for alarm that Treadwell didn't play in game 1 of his career.  People are making mountains out of molehills imo

 
mr roboto said:
Troubling?  I mean we knew he wasn't an athletic freak. We knew the Vikes were a conservative, run-first team with a safe but unagressive young QB. Then he got hurt. 10 days before the season started. Now we have an even more conservative, even less aggressive career backup closer to 40 than 30. 

Just let it play out man. There's getting a jump on others, then there's first week conclusions that are meaningless. 
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troubling could be defined as of the last 42 round 1 receivers, only 1 was healthy and uninvolved in week 1 and still went on to be worth their dyno draft spot.(totally just making an assumption since so far we've only come up with one name...)

and listen, i get that there's situation and reason to be patient. and i'm not suggesting he's cut worthy. but even assuming treadwell is in the worst spot ever of all time for a 1st round receiver in the last 11 years (which is an assumption), there's something to be said that he didn't even see a play. just trying to figure out what it means...

most of you seem to feel it means nothing. but honestly that's not very compelling if roddy white is the only example we can find...

 
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