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On 12/1/2019 at 11:42 PM, Chadstroma said:

I didn't get theast scene of all the people coming... "from everywhere" anyone care to explain?

It would have been better if they just destroyed the portal.  

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On 12/1/2019 at 11:42 PM, Chadstroma said:

I didn't get theast scene of all the people coming... "from everywhere" anyone care to explain?

Yes... You see, it has to do with...

No clue. That made no sense to me. At all.

Which is too bad, because I thought it was a decent season with better acting especially. But that ending...

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52 minutes ago, El Floppo said:

Yes... You see, it has to do with...

No clue. That made no sense to me. At all.

Which is too bad, because I thought it was a decent season with better acting especially. But that ending...

It really destroyed the whole theme that just played out where Helen said to John right before the crash they don't deserve to raise Thomas.  You make hard choices and you either build good character or bad and the resulting consequences.  Now they open the portal to endless other alternative realities and if you make horrible life choices you just go to another world.  In my ending the portal is destroyed and they rebuild America.  

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This is random hippling in Christmas Day as I enjoy a nice Bell’s stout between staging to my in laws arriving... 

However I watched this (S1 & some of S2) after watching  Stranger Things S1, and I’m surprised people so much liked the alternate universe in ST but so rejected it here. I realize the serious reality of WW2 makes it jarring - the viewer has to buy in to the alternate ending of the war, then they are asked to buy in to an alternate to the alternate, then within that you have to absorb the reason for that may be otherworldly. Even the alternate to the alternate appears to have an alternate. I think Dick’s point was to always invite the reader/viewer to question if they were just as sure of their consciousness as the characters they’re reading about.

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Just now, SaintsInDome2006 said:

This is random hippling in Christmas Day as I enjoy a nice Bell’s stout between staging to my in laws arriving... 

However I watched this (S1 & some of S2) after watching  Stranger Things S1, and I’m surprised people so much liked the alternate universe in ST but so rejected it here. I realize the serious reality of WW2 makes it jarring - the viewer has to buy in to the alternate ending of the war, then they are asked to buy in to an alternate to the alternate, then within that you have to absorb the reason for that may be otherworldly. 

Fwiw, I liked the alternate universe here- no rejection. And I don't remember that being the common complaint about the show. Just thought much of it wasn't well done- the writing, casting and acting particularly.

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1 minute ago, El Floppo said:

Fwiw, I liked the alternate universe here- no rejection. And I don't remember that being the common complaint about the show. Just thought much of it wasn't well done- the writing, casting and acting particularly.

The pacing is awful, I’ll say that. The guy playing Smith is the best of the lot IMO.

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5 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

The pacing is awful, I’ll say that. The guy playing Smith is the best of the lot IMO.

He carries the show, for sure. 

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35 minutes ago, SaintsInDome2006 said:

The pacing is awful, I’ll say that. The guy playing Smith is the best of the lot IMO.

Japanese trade ambassador imo... Thought he was stellar

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I’m about half way through the final season and have a question - the BCR - did I miss something in earlier seasons?  Or did they literally come out of the blue this season?  The whole thing is disjointed that a group that changes everything so much comes out of nowhere but already has such a massive organization. 

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On 12/25/2019 at 8:38 PM, Andrew74 said:

I’m about half way through the final season and have a question - the BCR - did I miss something in earlier seasons?  Or did they literally come out of the blue this season?  The whole thing is disjointed that a group that changes everything so much comes out of nowhere but already has such a massive organization. 

Yeah...I don't remember well at all. I think they were a part of previous seasons, but more as plot device (smugglers?) than plot driver. Even if in there, nothing like and no hints of the major factor they are this season.

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Final season just fell flat to me.  BCR out of the blue takes the Japanese out, who seem to give up for little reason.  The Nazis build this portal and have grand plans for it, yet leave it sparsely defended where 400 guys take it over?  They already have had intruders, yet the resistance seemingly take it without too much effort. I just don’t like Julia Crane this season - a “I’m so special and you all are so beneath me” vibe.  
 

And the ending sucked.  

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On 12/30/2019 at 1:31 PM, Andrew74 said:

BCR out of the blue takes the Japanese out, who seem to give up for little reason.

I think there was plenty of explanation offered, in the PTSD of Kito's son and his hinted at experiences in Manchuria. Rather than commit more genocide (after fifteen plus useless years of it in Manchuria) at the price of their young they chose to leave. It would have been more believable if we had seen more signs of the ennui and PTSD issues in seasons past. It's as if the writers only realized that the Japanese had to contend with China without nuclear weapons only this season. It waould also have been nice to have the BCR exist in prior seasons (Lemuel knew them obviously, but had chosen to work for the man in the high castle)

Count me in the camp that doesn't understand the ending except perhaps as a political statement concerning the US today.

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Yea, I think the ending was totally a political statement, but I'm fine with it.

Plus lotsa Nazi's getting killed so that's a win in my book. 

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I binged this over the holidays 

overall pretty decent , yes a little slow and not the greatest acting but worthwhile to watch until the ending which was a huge letdown 

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3 hours ago, msommer said:

I think there was plenty of explanation offered, in the PTSD of Kito's son and his hinted at experiences in Manchuria. Rather than commit more genocide (after fifteen plus useless years of it in Manchuria) at the price of their young they chose to leave. It would have been more believable if we had seen more signs of the ennui and PTSD issues in seasons past. It's as if the writers only realized that the Japanese had to contend with China without nuclear weapons only this season. It waould also have been nice to have the BCR exist in prior seasons (Lemuel knew them obviously, but had chosen to work for the man in the high castle)

Count me in the camp that doesn't understand the ending except perhaps as a political statement concerning the US today.

The Emperor's speech made it sound like they were giving up the JPS to focus on the fight in Asia.  Maybe I missed it or forgot something from previous seasons, but there seemed to be a disconnect.  The focus of the show is how Kido's son has PTSD and he's starting to become delusional on why they are there/fighting for the JPS.  The Crown Princess seems to follow that line and lean in a pacifist way.  The BCR kills several leaders who lean her way.  Then the BCR blow some things up and the Japanese just up an quit.  And the reason is to keep fighting in Asia.

Was it a war between countries or were the Japanese fighting rebels in conquered territories?  I had assumed the latter from maps, etc., in the show.  

I can see the reasoning behind the show but it requires (to me) a lot of assumptions and filling in the blanks.  Seemed like a rush job to wrap everything up.  Overall I thought the show was fine.  

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2 minutes ago, Andrew74 said:

The Emperor's speech made it sound like they were giving up the JPS to focus on the fight in Asia.  Maybe I missed it or forgot something from previous seasons, but there seemed to be a disconnect.  The focus of the show is how Kido's son has PTSD and he's starting to become delusional on why they are there/fighting for the JPS.  The Crown Princess seems to follow that line and lean in a pacifist way.  The BCR kills several leaders who lean her way.  Then the BCR blow some things up and the Japanese just up an quit.  And the reason is to keep fighting in Asia.

Was it a war between countries or were the Japanese fighting rebels in conquered territories?  I had assumed the latter from maps, etc., in the show.  

I can see the reasoning behind the show but it requires (to me) a lot of assumptions and filling in the blanks.  Seemed like a rush job to wrap everything up.  Overall I thought the show was fine.  

IIRC the Japanese invaded China (Manchuria) in 1931, which obviously predates the conflict withe the US by ten years. Look up the sacking of Nanjing as an example of the atrocities perpetrated there. So by the time the show is on we're in 1962 or so, with that conflict still going so that is a generation lost for Japan, at the very least.

Call it (the emergence of the BCR) the straw that broke the camel's back, maybe. Still would have been better if they had alluded to it in earlier seasons, it's not as if they didn't have the opportunity, Tagomi could have said something about the JPS not becoming another Manchuria or some such. 

Overall I thought the show was very good, this is just a quibble I mostly didn't have

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11 minutes ago, Andrew74 said:

The Emperor's speech made it sound like they were giving up the JPS to focus on the fight in Asia.  Maybe I missed it or forgot something from previous seasons, but there seemed to be a disconnect.  The focus of the show is how Kido's son has PTSD and he's starting to become delusional on why they are there/fighting for the JPS.  The Crown Princess seems to follow that line and lean in a pacifist way.  The BCR kills several leaders who lean her way.  Then the BCR blow some things up and the Japanese just up an quit.  And the reason is to keep fighting in Asia.

Was it a war between countries or were the Japanese fighting rebels in conquered territories?  I had assumed the latter from maps, etc., in the show.  

I can see the reasoning behind the show but it requires (to me) a lot of assumptions and filling in the blanks.  Seemed like a rush job to wrap everything up.  Overall I thought the show was fine.  

I think the Japanese were wanting to leave because they were stretched too thin, especially with- based on the sons description- a losing effort in Asia.

But seemed counter culture to just tuck tail and run when attacked in the US. I'd have figured they'd do something to save face instead.

Eta... I didn't see them leaving because they felt bad about atrocities.

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1 hour ago, El Floppo said:

I think the Japanese were wanting to leave because they were stretched too thin, especially with- based on the sons description- a losing effort in Asia.

But seemed counter culture to just tuck tail and run when attacked in the US. I'd have figured they'd do something to save face instead.

Eta... I didn't see them leaving because they felt bad about atrocities.

Not as such, but of the toll it was taking on the Japanese youth (young men) - exemplified by the obvious losses and PTSD. A realisation that if your young men are broken or dead, you are losing anyway? As said before it would have been stronger had they hinted at troubles before this season

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On 1/2/2020 at 6:19 PM, msommer said:

Not as such, but of the toll it was taking on the Japanese youth (young men) - exemplified by the obvious losses and PTSD. A realisation that if your young men are broken or dead, you are losing anyway? As said before it would have been stronger had they hinted at troubles before this season

The Nazis would drop lines like, “they are on the verge of collapse”, but without any confirmation, I assumed it was all hyperbole/self delusion/master race thinking.  

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Obergruppenführer John Smith reviewing detailed plans for concentration camps across America gave me chills.

It's almost inconceivable to think that kind of atrocity is based on reality. 

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2 minutes ago, James Daulton said:

Obergruppenführer John Smith reviewing detailed plans for concentration camps across America gave me chills.

It's almost inconceivable to think that kind of atrocity is based on reality. 

That was a skin-crawling moment when it showed the population estimates, camp sites, gas chamber blueprints, etc.  

This Twitter handle is a good follow (@RealTimeWWII) - I know the history well but the events that happen never cease to shock me.

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4 minutes ago, Andrew74 said:

That was a skin-crawling moment when it showed the population estimates, camp sites, gas chamber blueprints, etc.  

This Twitter handle is a good follow (@RealTimeWWII) - I know the history well but the events that happen never cease to shock me.

It most definitely affected me emotionally seeing how everything was planned out like it was nothing more than a bridge being built. 

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Just finished the show. I thought season 4 was great but agree the very ending was a head scratcher.  I would have preferred to see something sinister coming through the portal and the resistance destroy the portal to close it down permanently.

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I kept waiting for John Smith to turn back to the good side.  His arc with the flashbacks to when the war ended, Daniel, etc and then going to see Thomas in the other reality seemed to suggest he was heading down that path.  Then he becomes the leader of America and I'm thinking, yes, this is it.  His right hand man has already made statements that they could take back the country.  Now he has the power and means...yet he orders the strike on SF?  His answer to Helen when she tells them that they can change...."I don't know how."  That really said a lot.

I really thought we were going to find out that he was taking the country back (especially after what happened in Berlin), only to have Helen turn him over to the rebellion and they kill him before he could put it into motion.  Or that the strike he ordered wasn't on SF but either top Nazi bases in America or Berlin.

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1 hour ago, doowain said:

I kept waiting for John Smith to turn back to the good side.  His arc with the flashbacks to when the war ended, Daniel, etc and then going to see Thomas in the other reality seemed to suggest he was heading down that path.  Then he becomes the leader of America and I'm thinking, yes, this is it.  His right hand man has already made statements that they could take back the country.  Now he has the power and means...yet he orders the strike on SF?  His answer to Helen when she tells them that they can change...."I don't know how."  That really said a lot.

I really thought we were going to find out that he was taking the country back (especially after what happened in Berlin), only to have Helen turn him over to the rebellion and they kill him before he could put it into motion.  Or that the strike he ordered wasn't on SF but either top Nazi bases in America or Berlin.

I feel like his alt world death may have finalized his conversion to the dark side

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I think an ending that would have made more sense is that John Smith makes it back to the portal,  jumps in, only to find that he failed at saving Thomas in Vietnam.   John then determines he is going to continue to seek alternate universes until he can find one where he can bring him back (only to fail every time).  Juliana decides to follow Smith through the alternate universes as she tries to kill him.

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Finally finished this. I love this show and every part of it.  The end of episode 9 should have been a fine ending for me.

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On 1/13/2020 at 2:50 PM, Godsbrother said:

I think an ending that would have made more sense is that John Smith makes it back to the portal,  jumps in, only to find that he failed at saving Thomas in Vietnam.   John then determines he is going to continue to seek alternate universes until he can find one where he can bring him back (only to fail every time).  Juliana decides to follow Smith through the alternate universes as she tries to kill him.

Juliana did not kill out of revenge, she killed out of necessity.  So she would not be concern with hunting him down in other alternative worlds.  

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On 2/16/2020 at 9:11 AM, Yankee23Fan said:

Finally finished this. I love this show and every part of it.  The end of episode 9 should have been a fine ending for me.

First season was good but now I find myself hitting the “advance 10 seconds” button frequently to just see how this plays out.

agree with saints the tagomi character is good

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