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This.
To me, the greatness of a coach is getting a team to play better than their talent level, if that makes sense, and I never get the sense that the Steelers overachieve based on their talent level. If anything, they have underachieved, especially once they lost the defensive talent that Tomlin inherited from the Cowher era. I thought last week was a bad look. The Patriots were running circles around them left and right, yet the Steelers made no adjustments, and every time they showed Tomlin, he has this look on his face like he had no idea what to do to turn the tide. Granted, Belichick has made coaches a lot better than Tomlin look like fools as well, but a coach that most would put in the top 1/3 of the league should be able to make some in-game adjustments, no?
There really are. Belichick is obviously heads and shoulders above everyone else, I'd put Reid and Carroll in the next tier, and then the gap is wide till we get to the next tier, and I am not sure even sure who I'd put in that tier.
It's not just Belichick. He didn't have a gameplan against the Jags in the playoffs a couple years ago. They were only in that game because of some disgusting individual plays by their extremely talented position players. How many times has he lost a game against a far inferior opponent (especially on the road) because the team was completely unprepared? If it was just the Pats, I could accept that. He's not a good in-game manager and he's not even very good at coming up with a pre-game strategy.
What is this in-game adjustments that you speak of? I've never seen Tomlin have any.
My impression of that Jags playoff game was that they were looking ahead to the next week when they would have played the Patriots in the NFCCG, which is an indictment of Tomlin as well. Not sure you overlook an opponent who had beaten you 30-9 on your home field a few months earlier, but it happen.
Of course he overlooked them. Tomlin had an interview after the regular season matchup against the Pats (where the Steelers lost on a controversial call) essentially insinuating that the 2 teams would be meeting again in the AFC championship game. I posted in the steelers thread how I thought it was a bad move but people didn't think it was a big deal. Low and behold - they never got that rematch because they were completely unprepared against another opponent.
McVay should be in that second tier with Reid and Carroll.
We can't even find 30 that can reliably kick a 40 yard FG.
Pretty much, yeah.
I can't put McVay up there yet (too small of a sample size), but he is on his way. Same for Pederson.
I think you should put Pederson, and McVay up there.
Andy Reid is a very good coach but in 21 years how many championships has he won? zero.
Payton and Harbaugh, though Payton’s reputation has taken a bit of a hit lately. Meanwhile I think Harbaugh finally has the team he wants (no Ray, Reed, Suggs and even Flacco didn’t buy into his rah rah) and seems to be doing some of his best coaching
Bell was gone last year and Conner was able to do a pretty good job filling his shoes. Obviously losing AB has been more of an issue because Moncreif and Washington have been huge disappointments. Moncreif was so bad yesterday he was benched.
With the exception of the inherited Cowher superbowl, this team has continuously underachieved. Look at the talent that has come into this organization. When he does seem to get there on talent, he continues to fail as a coach. His adjustments make you wonder if there have been any. When have you ever said "that guy is a coaching genius?". The combustion of the Steelers could be predicted. By failing to manage the player atmosphere, it has blown up in Tomlin's face. Let's see just how good he is with less talent. The Steelers could make the playoffs, or they will win 3 games. I predict the latter.Godsbrother said:
Not sure if this is sarcasm, but I never said Tomlin was a lousy coach.Godsbrother said:
Sure it is sarcasm but your comparison of Tomlin and Switzer is nonsense. The Cowboys were the team of the decade and had gone 13-3 and 12-4 the previous two seasons and were back-to-back Super Bowl winners when Switzer took over
C'mon man, that 2006 team was awesome and it was only Ben's motorcycle accident and preseason emergency appendectomy that led to that record in Cowher's last season. The 2004 team went 15-1 and the 2005 team won the Super Bowl. Ben had an awful 2006 as he battled through it all and lost all that weight, but the finish to the season was more indicative of the talent level that Tomlin took over than the overall record.
And how did that happen? How is it that Cowher, who was also criticized for underachieving, gets credit for assembling the Super Bowl team but Tomlin doesn't get any credit for putting together the talent he has been blessed with? It is this double standard that I don't understand.
Don't forget that the first two Steeler picks with Tomlin as the head coach were L. Timons and L. Woodley - two cornerstones of the defense for several years.
Kicking a 40-yard FG reliably is really easy. Doing it under game conditions with NFL pressure? Not so much.
Meh. The teams they lost to were a combined 58-30, only two had a losing record and both of those teams with losing records have winning records in second half of the season when they met, the other 4 are playoff teams including the top two seeds in each conference.
You answered your question with the comment you made before you asked it.
He finished 8-8 with friggin Duck Hodges last season.
Last year may have been his best coaching performance ever with complete trash at QB. He’s an excellent coach.
That is an unfair comparison since the Patriots had a crap ton of players this year opt out because of COVID, but, regardless, there is no doubt that Tomlin did a tremendous job last year.
I think we agree but the Steelers were decimated with injuries last season beyond Ben Roethlisberger. And the 2020 Patriots have Cam Newton at QB which is a significant upgrade over a rookie Duck Hodges.That is an unfair comparison since the Patriots had a crap ton of players this year opt out because of COVID, but, regardless, there is no doubt that Tomlin did a tremendous job last year.
People like to make the argument Tomlin isn't a good coach because he has had a HoF QB. He should be more like other coaches mentioned in this thread, Payton, BB and Carroll. Those guys have had nobodies at QB.
