Godsbrother
Footballguy
Yep. The starting corners (aside from Hayden) are still young so hopefully will improve. Sean Davis has his moments but Mitchell is a liability and needs to go. Gay, Wilcox and Sensabaugh will likely be off the team as well.
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Mike Tomlin...is it time to go? (1 Viewer)
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I'm reminded of the old Henny Youngman joke: "How's your wife?" "Compared to what?"
Tomlin has his flaws, but he's one of the better coaches in the league, and statistically speaking, it is unlikely his replacement would be better. As for the argument "What they're doing isn't working; they need to try something else," well, that's simply not how the Steelers have operated over the past 50 years. And given that they have been the most consistently successful franchise in the league over that timeframe, I'm inclined to think they may be on to something. In fact, I think more teams should approach their coaching situations like the Steelers, not the other way around.
Tomlin has his flaws, but he's one of the better coaches in the league, and statistically speaking, it is unlikely his replacement would be better. As for the argument "What they're doing isn't working; they need to try something else," well, that's simply not how the Steelers have operated over the past 50 years. And given that they have been the most consistently successful franchise in the league over that timeframe, I'm inclined to think they may be on to something. In fact, I think more teams should approach their coaching situations like the Steelers, not the other way around.
Yenrub
Footballguy
I think Shazier is the only defensive player to make the Pro Bowl since Polamalu retired
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Godsbrother
Footballguy
According to Dulac, Haley definitely will not be back and supposedly Tomlin will not make any changes in the defensive coaching staff
steelers1080
Footballguy
Heyward came out and said the game plan was good, just not executed. I'm willing to give them another year to turn things around with a defensive-heavy draft, but if they suck again next year, a change needs to happen.
fred_1_15301
Footballguy
Bill Belichick playoff record, 2005-2010: 5-5 with losses to Sanchez, Jake Plummer, Flacco and Eli, plus an epic second-half collapse vs. Peyton and a year where the Pats missed the playoffs. Even the best coaches will go through a bad playoff stretch. The fact that he's kept them competitive throughout his tenure is far more significant. If you make the playoffs consistently (and get home playoff games), it will generally pay off in the long run. And Tomlin will still be coaching the Steelers long after Brady and Belichick retire.
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
But he's supposed to be a defensive guy and it's been poor for a while. Does he totally get a pass? They've had some olb problems but there's a decent amount of talent. They just don't seem to get the job done, especially when it matters.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
He was a defensive backs coach before becoming HC of the Steelers so I wouldn't say we could call him some defensive guru. I'm not saying he's a great HC, but I do think people are going a little overboard here. I mean MOST teams have not made the Super Bowl since 2010.
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
He’s kind of the Alex Smith of coaches. Unfortunately by the time he’s gone the Steelers window will be closed.
Statorama
gangster
In before "Cowher"
Tomlin isn't my favorite X's and O's guy, but he handles a ton of volcanic personalities as well as any coach in the NFL could. I think he's a perfect fit for the Steelers.
I prefer Belichick and Sean Payton (I'm a Saints homer though)
-OZ-
Footballguy
Average head coach, as in somewhere around 16th best of anyone who could be an NFL coach? Possibly.
Pederson
I might add Marrone; and Kyle Shanahan based on potential.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
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belljr
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bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
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Bojang0301
Omar4Heisman
Guy almost missed the playoffs benching his QB and trading away his best WR and DL options. Then the same DLineman ate them alive in the playoffs.
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Omar4Heisman
Sebowski
Footballguy
And everyone in DC says about Gruden. Except without the Monday to Saturday part.
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Mccarthy beat him h2h in a superbowl where he was am underdog.....shrug. i said same level. Not sure whats laughable
Ghost Rider
Footballguy
Funny, I think it is more of the opposite. His teams too often (often against bad teams or against teams they think they are inferiors) come into games looking not ready or unprepared to play, and to me, that is all on coaching. It is the coach's job to get prepare a team and get them ready to play, and when they come out looking as listless and bored as they did last Sunday for example, that means the coaching staff did a poor job in that regard. Same thing happened in the games this season against Indy, GB, Chicago, etc.
bucksoh
Footballguy
Is the secondary really the weak spot or is it coaching, I prefer the latter and we will never no who's right unless Butler is gonna get fired. Which he should be.
Doctor Detroit
Please remove your headgear
So they kept Tomlin and fired Haley?
Are they the Lions now?
Are they the Lions now?
When I look at some of the playcalls and the „chemistry“ between Haley and Ben it is not unreasonable to fire a guy that, on top of it, gets into fist fights at a local bar.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
Yep exactly the same. The Lions routinely get rid of head coaches that have taken them to Super Bowls, never had losing seasons and average >10 wins per seasons.
Monkeyface Prickleback
Footballguy
As long as he doesn't trip any other players, everything should be okay. Class act.
So the problem people have with Tomlin is that he makes poor in-game decisions and can't beat the Patriots ... and a better alternative is DAN QUINN?
bicycle_seat_sniffer
Smells like chicken
Hes done very well his first three season imo. Superbowl collapse aside. Hes done more with less.So the problem people have with Tomlin is that he makes poor in-game decisions and can't beat the Patriots ... and a better alternative is DAN QUINN?
Sure. I think Quinn is a good coach. My point is for all of Tomlin's flaws, I don't see many other coaches who are clearly superior, and in fact many of the good ones have the exact same flaws.
Bill Barnwell has been having a hilarious series of exchanges on Twitter with people who keep throwing out misinformed opinions on Tomlin ("He's bad in the playoffs!" "He has a terrible record against sub-.500 teams!") and then Barnwell quotes the actual stats.Tough Crowd - tomlin is currently second only to Bill Belicheck in Win%
And the last 4 or 5 years? Second to only Belicheck in playoff wins.
The flip side is in those last four years he's only won three games in the playoffs(two of which were in one year), only once made it out of the divisional round, had one 1st round bye(which was the loss to JAX) and been to 0 SB's.belljr said:Tough Crowd - tomlin is currently second only to Bill Belicheck in Win%
And the last 4 or 5 years? Second to only Belicheck in playoff wins.
Marty Schottenheimer comes to mind
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belljr
Footballguy
What other team besides the patriots have "9" if you include the BYE i guess, have played that many playoff games in the last 7 years?
Serious question - I don't know the answer
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Godsbrother
Footballguy
I am starting to come around to the Fire Tomlin crowd. All we need to do is hire Bill Belichick.belljr said:Tough Crowd - tomlin is currently second only to Bill Belicheck in Win%
And the last 4 or 5 years? Second to only Belicheck in playoff wins.
Now all we need is a way to fix the Pirates.
Godsbrother
Footballguy
I get it that you think the Steelers should have won another Super Bowl or two and so Tomlin should be sacked. However the Steelers don't operate that way -- they're not going to sack a coach with Tomlin's record, they just aren't. Things will have to go significantly worse for that to happen -- at least a losing season or two.
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