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****OFFICIAL 2018 IN SEASON DYNASTY TRADES****

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High stakes dynasty startups done a few months ago looks like people value winning now over youth

http://playffwc.com/football/leagueF1000054/index.php?page=draftboard

AJ Green pick 21

Baldwin pick 34

Guice pick 41

http://playffwc.com/football/leagueF1000053/index.php?page=draftboard

AJ Green pick 21

Guice pick 28

Baldwin pick 40

http://playffwc.com/football/leagueF1000052/index.php?page=draftboard

AJ Green pick 22

Baldwin pick 26

Guice pick 37

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11 minutes ago, Dez said:

High stakes dynasty startups done a few months ago looks like people value winning now over youth

http://playffwc.com/football/leagueF1000054/index.php?page=draftboard

AJ Green pick 21

Baldwin pick 34

Guice pick 41

http://playffwc.com/football/leagueF1000053/index.php?page=draftboard

AJ Green pick 21

Guice pick 28

Baldwin pick 40

http://playffwc.com/football/leagueF1000052/index.php?page=draftboard

AJ Green pick 22

Baldwin pick 26

Guice pick 37

Some interesting stuff.

Of note, Fuller drafted ahead of Cam in all 3.

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Do I take Guice, a guy who fell to the 7th RB taken for some weird reason, or do I add a few years of a WR 1 AND a WR 2 to my roster in a 16 team league?

For example, one of my teams has Rodgers, Bell, David Johnson, Mccoy, Julio, and then TEs of Olsen, Engram, Njoku.  If Julio is my only legit WR, that would be the easiest trade ever.  In three years that entire team might be worthless (outside of Engram/Njoku, maybe Rodgers).  But hey, at least I would have Guice helping me get the #2 pick rather than the #1.  

Really, in most cases I would expect to take Green/Baldwin over Guice in PPR.

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9 hours ago, JPeso said:

FFPC - 

Gave Derrius Guice, Julio Jones, Austin Seferian-Jenkins

Got Dalvin Cook, Brandin Cooks, Tyrell Williams

The deal centered first around the idea of dealing Julio for Cooks+. Given Evans was on our bench, keeping Julio wasn't a priority if we could get good exit value (didn't like the answer I got when I poked around with some other WRs valued close to Cooks). Though I'm a Guice fan, this roster also has had Chubb and KJ, so it made sense to get more of a sure bet at RB to add to W1 startable options with Kamara and D Freeman.

I'd definitely take the Cook(s) side here, regardless of roster considerations. Dalvin>Julio, Brandin>Derrius, and neither of those is all that close in my mind. Dalvin & Julio are going right next to each other in redrafts and one of them is 6.5 years younger than the other. And Guice seems to be one of the more overrated guys around, IMO - I have him neck-and-neck with DJ Moore in the mid first rather than the obvious #2 pick.

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44 minutes ago, kutta said:

I'd give Guice for AJG and Baldwin on my current team.

I got Guice as clear cut #2 player from this rookie draft, love young RB's and in general rarely  don't pay for older WR's. All that and on my teams I have Guice if I got this offer I'd have to ponder it a few hours either way, would be hard to say no to on those teams, most of which could use a little WR assistance. Be hard to say no to because I'd realize the value is on my side and this likely helps me win now because this is a second and third round player for a 4th round player in redraft.

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33 minutes ago, menobrown said:

I got Guice as clear cut #2 player from this rookie draft, love young RB's and in general rarely  don't pay for older WR's. All that and on my teams I have Guice if I got this offer I'd have to ponder it a few hours either way, would be hard to say no to on those teams, most of which could use a little WR assistance. Be hard to say no to because I'd realize the value is on my side and this likely helps me win now because this is a second and third round player for a 4th round player in redraft.

It would help you win "now" this year, "now" in 2019, and "now" in 2020.  

Guice would have to be quite good now and for a rather long stretch to make it a trade you would regret.

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1 hour ago, gianmarco said:

Some interesting stuff.

Of note, Fuller drafted ahead of Cam in all 3.

QB's are devauled in the high stakes world.

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Things change fast in fantasy football though.  Last year Hunt and Kamara were 2nd round picks in a lot of rookie drafts this time of year and now they are being taken in the 1st round of startups ahead of many guys that you would have easily traded them for last year.  Maybe Guice does that and becomes a 1st round startup next year or maybe he flops and loses value.  No one knows that is the beauty of dynasty everyone has their own way to build a team thus the reason these trades can happen.

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27 minutes ago, Dez said:

QB's are devauled in the high stakes world.

Yes, I know. The deal we posted of Cam for Fuller was an FFPC league. Some thought it was way off.

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1 hour ago, ghostguy123 said:

It would help you win "now" this year, "now" in 2019, and "now" in 2020.  

Guice would have to be quite good now and for a rather long stretch to make it a trade you would regret.

This is wrong on both counts.

It "might" help you win this year. The chances of that beyond this year go down. One down year or injury to either and value starts to really tank, let alone production.  There are no guarantees that this deal helps you win when you otherwise wouldn't when you are dealing with 30 yo WRs. Recent examples of DT, Dez, Jordy (all very talented and very productive... until they weren't).  Assuming both guys give you 14-15 PPG for the next 3 years is a bet I'll take against every day.

As for Guice, that's also misguided. He doesn't have to be quite good for a long stretch to be a trade you regret. In fact, he only needs to be good for a few games to regret it. See Kareem Hunt last year. Or Dalvin Cook, who even suffered a bad injury and his value is still retained. Or Mixon, who did almost nothing and still has huge value. Or Kamara who exploded. 

And yes, I know there's no guarantee he turns into any of those guys, but the idea that he has to be good for a long time to be worth it simply isn't true.

If you can find a WR on the wire to give you 11-12 PPG, then you can likely succeed with Guice even being mediocre as a rookie if he shows anything at all.  Guys like Robby Anderson or Chris Hogan or M. Sanu can give you that.  The days of AJG or Baldwin scoring 18+ are very likely over (both at 14 last year). They are no longer difference makers.

Far more ways to hurt your team when you invest in depreciating assets like 30 year old WRs, especially before the season, than help it. 

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Randy Moss was thought to be no longer a difference maker at age 30 coming off a terrible year in 2006 with Oakland then traded to NE for a measly 4th round pick.  He kinda was a difference maker for the next 3 years to the tune of record 23 TD's, 98 catches and 1493 yards in 2007.

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We're not actually saying Green is washed up, are we?  

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19 minutes ago, barackdhouse said:

We're not actually saying Green is washed up, are we?  

Before he got injured in week 10 of 2016 he was the #2WR with a 20.85 PPG average. I don't think or saw anything in his game which makes me think he suddenly declined in a year, just a bad year for the offense. So no. In fact despite his subpar season last year I've long thought his style of play, which I'd describe as finesse in nature, was ideally suited to age well.

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7 hours ago, gianmarco said:

This is wrong on both counts.

It "might" help you win this year. The chances of that beyond this year go down. One down year or injury to either and value starts to really tank, let alone production.  There are no guarantees that this deal helps you win when you otherwise wouldn't when you are dealing with 30 yo WRs. Recent examples of DT, Dez, Jordy (all very talented and very productive... until they weren't).  Assuming both guys give you 14-15 PPG for the next 3 years is a bet I'll take against every day.

As for Guice, that's also misguided. He doesn't have to be quite good for a long stretch to be a trade you regret. In fact, he only needs to be good for a few games to regret it. See Kareem Hunt last year. Or Dalvin Cook, who even suffered a bad injury and his value is still retained. Or Mixon, who did almost nothing and still has huge value. Or Kamara who exploded. 

And yes, I know there's no guarantee he turns into any of those guys, but the idea that he has to be good for a long time to be worth it simply isn't true.

If you can find a WR on the wire to give you 11-12 PPG, then you can likely succeed with Guice even being mediocre as a rookie if he shows anything at all.  Guys like Robby Anderson or Chris Hogan or M. Sanu can give you that.  The days of AJG or Baldwin scoring 18+ are very likely over (both at 14 last year). They are no longer difference makers.

Far more ways to hurt your team when you invest in depreciating assets like 30 year old WRs, especially before the season, than help it. 

And Guice might suck right out the gate and be worth a 2nd rounder next year.  Lot of ifs being tossed around, but not many about this awesome rookie who everyone thought was the clear #2 RB in the draft fall way way past that.

How many good WRs you see being picked up off the WW in 16 team league and/or deeper roster leagues? 2-3 a year?  You betting on landing all of them?

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4 hours ago, ghostguy123 said:

And Guice might suck right out the gate and be worth a 2nd rounder next year.  Lot of ifs being tossed around, but not many about this awesome rookie who everyone thought was the clear #2 RB in the draft fall way way past that.

 

If you are talking about #2 RB in terms of NFL draft sure he fell but really don't care. In terms of dynasty as far as I'm concerned he was not the clear cut #2 RB, he still is.

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ppr 12 team 1 QB

Dak, Ito Smith, 2019 3rd (mid to late) for Dion Lewis, 2019 2nd (very late)

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7 minutes ago, Dr. Dan said:

ppr 12 team 1 QB

Dak, Ito Smith, 2019 3rd (mid to late) for Dion Lewis, 2019 2nd (very late)

Dion even if the picks were reversed.

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Another: Brandin Cooks for a 2019 1st (6-12), 3rd, Godwin. 12 team PPR

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14 minutes ago, Dr. Dan said:

Another: Brandin Cooks for a 2019 1st (6-12), 3rd, Godwin. 12 team PPR

Would hope you could get a little more for cooks- but perhaps you can’t. Bet his value varies league to league quite a bit. 

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6 minutes ago, Snorkelson said:

Would hope you could get a little more for cooks- but perhaps you can’t. Bet his value varies league to league quite a bit. 

I would easily prefer the side getting the #1 and Godwin.

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11 minutes ago, Snorkelson said:

Would hope you could get a little more for cooks- but perhaps you can’t. Bet his value varies league to league quite a bit. 

I agree. It's a tough trading market for him. Cooks is 24, first 3 seasons of 1000 yards. Only Evans, Moss, and AJ Green did that. Ridley turns 24 this season, has done nothing in the NFL, and was a late 1st. 

4 minutes ago, menobrown said:

I would easily prefer the side getting the #1 and Godwin.

If it were a higher 1 I'd be more stoked. Godwin I do like though... I think he could have a coming out party this year. I think it comes down to whether you like Cooks or not. I've seen him ranked as low as 35ish for some posters. Limited route tree. Just a pair of legs. Lots of criticism. 

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Is it only me, or is Cooks the most traded player? It seems he is in every third deal.

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12tm dynasty ppr qb/2rb/3wr/te/k/dt

Gave: Jeffrey, 3.1

Received: Mike Williams

In rebuild mode, so why not?

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17 minutes ago, Steel Curtainrod said:

12tm dynasty ppr qb/2rb/3wr/te/k/dt

Gave: Jeffrey, 3.1

Received: Mike Williams

In rebuild mode, so why not?

Jeffery should have been enough. In rebuild mode, I keep those picks or try to move 3.01 for a 2019 2nd. I think he should have been the one throwing in a pick. 

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16 minutes ago, Snorkelson said:

Jeffery should have been enough. In rebuild mode, I keep those picks or try to move 3.01 for a 2019 2nd. I think he should have been the one throwing in a pick. 

While I agree, it wasn't happening and after another year I'd be lucky to get a fourth for him. Guy's got zero value in this league. 

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3 minutes ago, Steel Curtainrod said:

While I agree, it wasn't happening and after another year I'd be lucky to get a fourth for him. Guy's got zero value in this league. 

Same in my league Jeffrey seems difficult to trade. Contending teams don't want him unless they need depth or WR3 help and rebuilding teams are scared away because injury history and creeping towards 30?

 

 

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38 minutes ago, Steel Curtainrod said:

While I agree, it wasn't happening and after another year I'd be lucky to get a fourth for him. Guy's got zero value in this league. 

Fair enough, value varies person to person and league to league for sure. Get it while you can- although perhaps an injury makes a team willing to pay a little more later on, it’s certainly no guarantee  and Williams could get his shot this year. 

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1 hour ago, Steel Curtainrod said:

12tm dynasty ppr qb/2rb/3wr/te/k/dt

Gave: Jeffrey, 3.1

Received: Mike Williams

In rebuild mode, so why not?

Love the trade for a rebuild team.  Jeffrey is very blah.  Would rather gamble on Williams returning from injury and panning out.

Low risk trade for you.  It's not like you're gonna  miss Jeffrey that much.  

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12 team PPR TE Premium

Team A gives Fournette, Funchess, Golladay

Team B gives Julio, Josh Gordon, Crowell

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4 hours ago, Gottabesweet said:

Same in my league Jeffrey seems difficult to trade. Contending teams don't want him unless they need depth or WR3 help and rebuilding teams are scared away because injury history and creeping towards 30?

 

 

was able to get Dion Lewis and a mid 2nd for Jeffery and a 3rd (probably high) traded for my 3rd back today in a trade I probably would have done without the 3rd 

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1 hour ago, barackdhouse said:

12 team PPR TE Premium

Team A gives Fournette, Funchess, Golladay

Team B gives Julio, Josh Gordon, Crowell

I like fournette here. and i dont like fournette at all in dynasty. but I hold the opinion Gordon will mess up and be done, along with Crowell is a throw away in this deal. so Julio for fournette and Golladay... pretty awesome 

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2 hours ago, barackdhouse said:

12 team PPR TE Premium

Team A gives Fournette, Funchess, Golladay

Team B gives Julio, Josh Gordon, Crowell

unless Funchess has converted to TE then I take Julio and Flash by a mile.  I'm also a big believer in Gordon long term.  I'm not a big Fournette fan, Funchess is ok and I like Golladay enough but that's 2 WR1's for the next 3 years for 1 RB1 and iffy flex or bye week fillers.  

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Bunch of recent deals in one of my leagues

 

2QB 3WR 2RB 2TE 2Flex .5ppr 10 team league

Team X got:  Rico Gathers

Team Y got:  3.03

 

Team O got:  Josh Gordon, 2020 1st (probably late, they're always a decent to top team)

Team P got:  Melvin Gordon

 

Team J got:  Julio Jones and CJ Anderson

Team K got:  Robert Woods and Fournette

 

Team J got:  Lamar Miller and Bilal Powell

Team A got:  1.06

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3 hours ago, barackdhouse said:

12 team PPR TE Premium

Team A gives Fournette, Funchess, Golladay

Team B gives Julio, Josh Gordon, Crowell

I'd prefer the Fournette/Golladay side.

 

 

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3 hours ago, barackdhouse said:

12 team PPR TE Premium

Team A gives Fournette, Funchess, Golladay

Team B gives Julio, Josh Gordon, Crowell

Interesting...I like the Fournette side...Fournette is a stud RB who has huge upside...always a great acquisition getting that...Golladay is very intriguing and Funchess is a solid depth WR...one of those guys that you don't get excited about in the off-season but are thankful to have in week 11 when you have injuries piling up...I have owned Julio a few times in the past and it never lived up to the hype for me...Gordon is someone I want no part of...his big season was 2013 so I would have zero regrets if he blew up after dealing him...Crowell is a bench RB who isn't a bad throw-in but I don't see him ever getting to the next level... 

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27 minutes ago, Zyphros said:

Bunch of recent deals in one of my leagues

 

2QB 3WR 2RB 2TE 2Flex .5ppr 10 team league

Team X got:  Rico Gathers

Team Y got:  3.03

 

Team O got:  Josh Gordon, 2020 1st (probably late, they're always a decent to top team)

Team P got:  Melvin Gordon

 

Team J got:  Julio Jones and CJ Anderson

Team K got:  Robert Woods and Fournette

 

Team J got:  Lamar Miller and Bilal Powell

Team A got:  1.06

Team Y - basically a free 3rd

Team O and P - no winner. I want no part in Josh Gordon. Melvin will have another year or two of top play then he will break down imo. so it's a 1st in 2 years for a RB for 2 years. maybe I'd take the pick here just to stay young. but I think it's fair. 

Team K - Julio is fairly overrated it seems. Woods is quite good and Fournette is a top rb even though he has rubber bands holding his ankle together

team A by a mile

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33 minutes ago, Zyphros said:

Bunch of recent deals in one of my leagues

 

2QB 3WR 2RB 2TE 2Flex .5ppr 10 team league

Team X got:  Rico Gathers

Team Y got:  3.03

 

Team O got:  Josh Gordon, 2020 1st (probably late, they're always a decent to top team)

Team P got:  Melvin Gordon

 

Team J got:  Julio Jones and CJ Anderson

Team K got:  Robert Woods and Fournette

 

Team J got:  Lamar Miller and Bilal Powell

Team A got:  1.06

Miller and Powell for 1.6 makes me cringe...

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24 minutes ago, Boston said:

Miller and Powell for 1.6 makes me cringe...

Miller was dealt in 1 of mine for the 4.02 in a 16 team league.

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On 6/27/2018 at 9:19 AM, Andy Dufresne said:

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PPR NON-IDP 


It's a rebuild of a orphaned team that's pretty bad

1) Gave: Marshawn Lynch

Got: 2019 3rd

2) Gave: Thielen/Javorious Allen

Got: Kerryon Johnson/Luke Willson

3) Gave: Spencer Ware

Got: 2019 4th

4) Gave: Tyler Eifert

Got: 2019 3rd

More for this project...

5) Gave: Sony Michel/2019 1st

Got: Kareem Hunt

And the beat goes on...

6) Gave: Anthony Miller, two 2nds, 4th

Got: AJ Green

I had three 2nds next year and...what good are those? Sure this is a rebuild but you rebuild with good players and Green is still in his prime for the next 3-5 years. 

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49 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said:

And the beat goes on...

6) Gave: Anthony Miller, two 2nds, 4th

Got: AJ Green

I had three 2nds next year and...what good are those? Sure this is a rebuild but you rebuild with good players and Green is still in his prime for the next 3-5 years. 

AJG by a lot, rebuild or not.

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