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****OFFICIAL DYNASTY TRADES**** (23 Viewers)
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TheBottomLine
Footballguy
I think you’re probably right, but I know I’m not getting anything better and a year from now his value could plummet. With all the IDP that gets reached for in our drafts, a lot of the top offensive talent slides into the late 2nd or even 3rd.
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
After Landry signs elsewhere I think you could have done better - but I'm not a Parker fan either.
TheBottomLine
Footballguy
Do your thoughts change if Jarvis stays? I think he stays.Dr. Octopus said:
Dr. Octopus
Footballguy
I think his value would be the same as today in that case - Everything I have read seems to indicate Landry hits the market though. I don't see him coming back - obviously we don't know.
TheBottomLine
Footballguy
Right, was referring more to this trade. You said I could get more if I waited til Landry signed elsewhere.
Pwingles
Footballguy
if the 2nd ismid to late, its a wash for me, if early, then I like that side
I feel like Brate is likely to be worth a roster spot more than that 4th would be, or any perceived trade value it has
gimme the 1.04, by a fair margin, even if you dont use it, by the time draft fever sets in fully itll be worth a lot
I feel like that is very light for AB, but it might be time to start sellingSpike said:
I think Jarvis leaves and at a minimum Parker's perceived value will increase because Landry is such a target monster without adding benefit of stretching the field or commanding attention of top CB's. How much he takes advantage of this is another matter but I think on paper it's a big plus for him if Landry leaves.
Plastic Man
Footballguy
10 team PPR Dynasty
Chris Godwin and 1.09 rookie draft pick
For
Sammy Watkins
Chris Godwin and 1.09 rookie draft pick
For
Sammy Watkins
JPeso
Footballguy
I'm not necessarily a Watkins buyer, but at this price, yes please.
I'll take the move up, pretty reasonable offer but the 4.9 does not need to come back your way.
I'd pay somewhere between 2.2-2.4 for Parker in a 12-team PPR without IDP, so assuming there are some IDPs mixed in to the top 18, making this reasonable.TheBottomLine said:
Trade could work for both, but I would take Hunt.Spike said:
1.4 by a mile.
2nd, 4th
Agree, that trade is not remotely close.
One More Rep
Footballguy
Zyphros
Footballguy
I've been searching for another late 1st so I was happy to wake up to this. I did accept which is why I posted. I have #4, #7 and #10 now for the 1st. That 4th I got in return I doubt makes my final cuts for FFPC.
Not a believer in Sammy but in a 10 team I'd much rather have him and hope he starts out good so I can trade him for something probably much better then the 1.9
I like Carson but there are a bunch of questions about him. I think it's a very fair and good deal for both teams. Not sure which side I would pick since clement does also have some good value as a important handcuff to a RB with iffy knees
Matt's Eagles
Footballguy
12 team PPR
Team A got A Robinson
Team B got Alshon Jeffrey, Duke Johnson
Team A got A Robinson
Team B got Alshon Jeffrey, Duke Johnson
Concept Coop
Footballguy
Plastic Man
Footballguy
10 team PPR Dynasty trade:
Duke, Godwin, 2018 1.09, 2019 1st
For
ARob
Duke, Godwin, 2018 1.09, 2019 1st
For
ARob
-OZ-
Footballguy
Boston
Footballguy
Boston
Footballguy
I'll go with Jeffrey and Duke...Jeffrey is on an excellent offense and I would not be surprised to see his numbers go up in year 2...Duke is gonna be one of those guy's who's not exciting in the offseason but during the season when injuries and bye-weeks happen you'll be happy you have him...
hunter1
Footballguy
One More Rep
Footballguy
One More Rep
Footballguy
One More Rep
Footballguy
-OZ-
Footballguy
Depending on your league there may not be much difference between the 7 and 12, definitely less than Drake.
Plus, You might be able to get the 7 for Drake alone in some leagues.
Snorkelson
Footballguy
JPeso
Footballguy
Duo, regardless of cut-down situation.
Great move down, love the Drake side. I wouldn't deal Drake alone for 1.7.
Duke and the picks.
Ehh, Alshon was on an excellent offense LAST year. I know you said you "would not be surprised" if his numbers go up in year 2, but if you're making this trade then you damn well be certain they are going up in year 2. 57/789/9 are numbers that I expect a healthy Robinson to easily surpass in just about any offense. As for Duke... bleh. What was the difference between last year and his first two years? Answer: he got a few lucky TDs last year. Don't expect lightning to strike twice. And if the Browns draft Barkley, it's lights out for Duke.
So while we don't know where Robinson will go, I'll take youth (3.5 years younger than Alshon) and upside over Alshon and a roster clogger. If Robinson ends up in SF, his value is going to skyrocket.
I know this is a (worn out) joke, but the Patriots have a log jam at WR. However, there are quite a few locations where Robinson could thrive if he isn't tagged. And this is dynasty, so it's not exactly a death knell for his career if he's tagged and has to spend one more year in JAX. Maybe they upgrade their QB.
This. I'm clearly in the minority, but I do not expect Drake to be starting this coming season and I agree CJA is a real possibility there. Adam Gase already signed him once...Until cj anderson gets cut and signed by Miami
So while I feel like the majority of people value Drake more than that trade, if that trade was all I could get for him, I'd probably take it. If Miami signs CJA or drafts a top 5 rookie RB, you'd be lucky to find someone willing to give you the 1.07 for Drake + 1.12. The only people who would still expect him to start at that point would be his current owners...
Concept Coop
Footballguy
On the flip side, if they don't bring anyone substantial in, Drake's value is about the 1.04. And Drake > Anderson.Until cj anderson gets cut and signed by Miami
Snorkelson
Footballguy
I know drake lit it up late, but cj was in the top 10 in rushing yds last year (albeit in 16 games avg 62 yds a game). He averaged 4.1 ypc, and if he were to sign in Miami I think it would be a 50/50 split.
JPeso
Footballguy
This x 10. I guess people still don't believe in Drake when they feel CJA beats out Drake. Personally feel Gase signing CJA would be terrific for Drake's ability to hold on to the lead role in a two-back system. Maybe I am missing something but I get excited watching this https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_16MHqR3Ss
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Don’t think you’re getting anything near the 1.04 even if Miami cuts every other RB on the team and goes into the season with nobody but Drake.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
CJ was a fine 2-down grinder last year. While the sample size was small, and came at the end of the year, Drake was much more than that. Maybe Drake can't hold up to the touches and will be a committee guy. But I'll take that gamble as the ceiling is so high. And even in a 50/50 split, Drake has value and will outproduce Anderson in PPR leagues.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
You're taking RoJo or Chubb over a starting Drake?
Edit: I own the 1.04 in one league and would take Drake if starting.
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fruity pebbles
Footballguy
Concept Coop
Footballguy
Fair enough. To each their own. But I think it's fair to say he has his fans, and plenty of folks will pony up if he is the week 1 starter. Again, I'd happily trade the 1.04 for him in that scenario.
Boston
Footballguy
Just a head's up that in Robinson's last healthy season he posted 73-883-6 numbers in an offense that he had been in for 2 years prior and was that before he blew out his ACL...so you are certain his #'s will go up and Jeffrey's #'s won't (who Philly just made a nice $ commitment to)? I usually don't refer to a 24 year old who just had 74 receptions as a roster clogger...he is not a stud but he is definitely a useful RB...
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Hankmoody
Footballguy
Duke was RB17 in PPR last year. I'd easily take Alshon/Duke over ARob in that format.
This is kind of a lazy stereotype for a guy built like CJA (not picking on you; I think a lot of people view him this way). Sure, he didn't get a ton of targets, but the team liked Booker who hasn't showed much as a runner, so Booker got some of those snaps. But when given the opportunity, CJA has show well as a receiver. But even more importantly, he's solid in pass pro:
https://www.milehighreport.com/2018/1/25/16932080/cj-anderson-grade-2017
Couldn't find a nice 2017 highlight reel for him, but here's some clips from a single 2017 game: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MSKdXwAnL_o
I know he's 3 years older than Drake and isn't a shiny new toy, but the guy has career averages 4.4 ypc and 8.3 ypr. His pass protection and ball protection may not be valued in the fantasy community, but NFL coaches value it.
I'm not trying to tell people to go out and grab CJA. I'm just trying to point out why he might overtake a guy like Drake. He's got skills coaches appreciate and Adam Gase is a known CJA fan, having already tried to sign him away from Denver 2 years ago.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
Drake is an interesting case. I had an offer of an early 2nd for him last year before Damien Williams got hurt. I started looking into him a lot and the thing that really stuck out to me was that I could not find a single scouting report, not one, that even hinted at him ever being a feature back. Every single one started with the assumption that "obviously his ceiling is a receiving back".
It's odd to me because he has enough size to be a lead back. Then, at the time, Gase was forcing Williams into the lead role even though Drake was outperforming him handily.
Obviously then Williams got hurt and Gase's hand was finally forced and Drake looked good as the feature back. I wonder if when given a reset though and an opportunity to move Drake back into the role he preferred him in, he will take it. I just can't grasp what it is about Drake that makes everyone in the NFL assume he's only a committee back when he has enough size to be a feature back.
It's odd to me because he has enough size to be a lead back. Then, at the time, Gase was forcing Williams into the lead role even though Drake was outperforming him handily.
Obviously then Williams got hurt and Gase's hand was finally forced and Drake looked good as the feature back. I wonder if when given a reset though and an opportunity to move Drake back into the role he preferred him in, he will take it. I just can't grasp what it is about Drake that makes everyone in the NFL assume he's only a committee back when he has enough size to be a feature back.
Concept Coop
Footballguy
He gets 2.5 targets a game. He's not putting Drake on the bench on passing downs. I'm sorry, but he's a 2 down back.
Robinson's offense was a total CF the year he posted those numbers, while Philly was a well oiled machine when Alshon posted his. I think the odds are against Robinson finding a worse passing offense than 2016 JAX while I doubt Philly sees anything more than an incremental increase in offensive efficiency in 2018 (if not a regression).
Furthermore, in 14 games with Ertz, Alshon averaged: 7 targets, 3.3 rec, 47 yards, 0.4 TDs. In two games without Ertz, Alshon averaged 11 targets, 5.5 rec, 68 yards, and 1.5 TDs. So if Ertz stays healthy next year, Alshon's numbers could actually slide backwards.
That's how roster cloggers clog rosters. They have one fluke year and a touch of youth so they hang around on your roster for years without ever repeating that one year again. Duke was the 3rd down back on an 0-16 team. I'm going to guess that no team played from behind for longer than Cleveland. He also somehow scored 7 TDs on 156 touches. You want to bet on lightning striking twice? Duke is a clear cut "sell high" candidate.
Last year's points don't help me this year
Also, see above.In Gase's last season with Denver, once CJA took over, he had 30 receptions for 290 yards and 2 TDs in his last 8 games. You might think he's a 2 down back, but if he signs with Miami, all that matters is what Adam Gase and his OC think.
Also, you're missing the point if you think targets per game are what makes a passing down back a passing down back. His routes, hands, and pass blocking all factor in when he moves to a new team. Doesn't matter how many targets the previous team gave him.
FreeBaGeL
Footballguy
At some point someone is going to have to explain to me why Alshon has somehow seen a value increase after a terrible season on a great offense that will likely regress. He just put up a worse season than Dez Bryant and is only one year younger and the consensus value of the two could not be further apart.
I guess he improved in the playoffs but that was with Foles as QB and no Ertz on the field, both things that will not be the case next year. And even with those while he was "improved" he still wasn't great.
More than five catches only twice in 19 games. Over 100 yards zero times in 19 games. WR25 in PPG. All on an offense that was firing on all cylinders barring a short stretch after the QB change?
I guess he improved in the playoffs but that was with Foles as QB and no Ertz on the field, both things that will not be the case next year. And even with those while he was "improved" he still wasn't great.
More than five catches only twice in 19 games. Over 100 yards zero times in 19 games. WR25 in PPG. All on an offense that was firing on all cylinders barring a short stretch after the QB change?
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