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On ‎5‎/‎11‎/‎2019 at 10:55 AM, Dez said:

I had to give  up 2020 1st and 2nd for 1.05 and future 3rd.  I doubt anyone is giving up the 1.06 and a 2020 2nd for a 2020 1st unless they are convinced it is top 3 or so.

I would have very happily (and quickly) accepted a trade offer of a 2020 1st and 2nd for my 1.05 and 2020 3rd, unless I knew the other owner was a lock for the 2019 super bowl.

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I just traded Crowell for 3.12 (3 round draft, then extra picks if people cut the roster down enough for them). He is IR eligible so he didn't cost a roster spot. Now I need to cut an extra guy to get the pick I acquired. I should have just IR'd or cut him and gotten a 4th for the empty roster spot. :doh:

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4 hours ago, cloppbeast said:

Would you trade the 1.09 straight up for Herndon?

no, I said I lean in favor oof the 1.9 meaning I'd take that side but I was just saying I don't think the value is way off

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This just went down, not involved:

Team A: Kerryon Johnson

Team B: Tyreek Hill

Wow, easily the best return I've seen and I don't even like Kerryon.

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12 tm ppr

Gave up Freeman, 2019 - 1.4 and 2.8

Got - Mixon

Figured Mixon is a solid given over Sanders at 1.4 and Freeman. 2.8 a crapshoot.

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2 hours ago, skinfanjon said:

This just went down, not involved:

Team A: Kerryon Johnson

Team B: Tyreek Hill

Wow, easily the best return I've seen and I don't even like Kerryon.

Owner getting Hill been under a rock for the last 2 months?

9 minutes ago, DreamTheater said:

12 tm ppr

Gave up Freeman, 2019 - 1.4 and 2.8

Got - Mixon

Figured Mixon is a solid given over Sanders at 1.4 and Freeman. 2.8 a crapshoot.

That's a nice deal for Mixon. Proven RB1, just entering his prime, for a decent prospect and a shaky vet.

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Not a trade exactly but my rookie drafts had a few notable FA's go earlier than I would have expected

Tyrell Williams was taken at 2.08, Mike Davis at 3.03, and Daeshawn Hamilton at 3.04

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1 hour ago, Zyphros said:

Not a trade exactly but my rookie drafts had a few notable FA's go earlier than I would have expected

Tyrell Williams was taken at 2.08, Mike Davis at 3.03, and Daeshawn Hamilton at 3.04

I've been taking Demarcus Robinson in the late 2nd early 3rd.

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4 hours ago, barackdhouse said:

I've been taking Demarcus Robinson in the late 2nd early 3rd.

He still seems pretty under the radar imo. I hear more talk about hardman and Watkins, but Robinson could come cheaper and be better. 

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1 hour ago, deadlyrange0321 said:

12 team PPR 1QB/1RB/2WR/1TE/2FLEX

 

Team A trades:

1.03

 

Team B trades:

1.08

1.11

You know in past years I bet very few people would trade down like that...but this, make's lots of sense doesn't it? 

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FFPC trades:

Gave: Guice, 2020#2, projected playoff

Got: 1.2, 2.2 (I already had 1.1, 1.7 and 2.3 so this gave me 1,2, 7, 14 and 15)

Drafted Parris Cambell with the 2.2 I got from Guice trade and as I was trying to decide between two players at 14 I got this offer below which I took and then drafted both players I was looking at taking at 15 and 16:

Gave: Parris Cambell

Got: 2.4 and projected non-playoff#2

End result:

Gave Guice for 1.2, 2.4 and changed my 2020#2 from projected playoff to projected non-playoff which could end up being a fairly decent difference.

 

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1 hour ago, menobrown said:

Gave Guice for 1.2, 2.4 and changed my 2020#2 from projected playoff to projected non-playoff which could end up being a fairly decent difference.

Nice trade.

Only time I've seen a rookie with 0 yards increase in value. 

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48 minutes ago, coachoneill said:

10 team PPR dynasty.  Not involved. 

Team A sends: 2.8

Team B sends: Vance McDonald. 

I’m going to guess that Team A is a terrible team, because I can’t fathom a solid owner parting with the 18th pick for Vance McDonald.

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Just now, SayWhat? said:

I’m going to guess that Team A is a terrible team, because I can’t fathom a solid owner parting with the 18th pick for Vance McDonald.

Team A definitely operates in a different universe of player valuation that most of the fantasy world.  The one mitigating factor is he had 5 (yes 5) 2nd rounders in the 2019 rookie draft.  Owner getting 2.8 has Kelce, Rudolph and Graham so he could afford to part with a depth TE like Vance.

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1 hour ago, coachoneill said:

Team A definitely operates in a different universe of player valuation that most of the fantasy world.  The one mitigating factor is he had 5 (yes 5) 2nd rounders in the 2019 rookie draft.  Owner getting 2.8 has Kelce, Rudolph and Graham so he could afford to part with a depth TE like Vance.

Seemed as such.

As for the other owner, even if Vance McDonald is your only TE and you’re the clear league favorite due to having elite QB/RB/WR, you trade Vance McDonald for the #18 rookie pick every time.  

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19 minutes ago, SayWhat? said:

Seemed as such.

As for the other owner, even if Vance McDonald is your only TE and you’re the clear league favorite due to having elite QB/RB/WR, you trade Vance McDonald for the #18 rookie pick every time.  

That was my thought too, especially since the owner receiving 2.8 is down his 2019 1st.  Having two seconds alleviates that sting somewhat.  

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2 hours ago, SayWhat? said:

I’m going to guess that Team A is a terrible team, because I can’t fathom a solid owner parting with the 18th pick for Vance McDonald.

I dont think its really all that far off.  With both AB and Jesse James out in Pittsburgh, should be more targets for Vance, and he is not a bad player.  I think he is a nice under the radar buy candidate right now.  18th pick is a dart throw.  Seems ok to me.

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8 hours ago, deadlyrange0321 said:

12 team PPR 1QB/1RB/2WR/1TE/2FLEX

 

Team A trades:

1.03

 

Team B trades:

1.08

1.11

Love the move for guy getting 8 and 11, that's right where my targets are.  And hey if you've got someone at 3 then it's a good move on both sides.

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1 hour ago, ChuckLiddell said:

I dont think its really all that far off.  With both AB and Jesse James out in Pittsburgh, should be more targets for Vance, and he is not a bad player.  I think he is a nice under the radar buy candidate right now.  18th pick is a dart throw.  Seems ok to me.

I disagree but it seems as if a lot of people are buying into (or at least pitching) this concept.  I have received more offers of people trying to sell McDonald than any other player.  And I've been shocked at the value that his owners are placing on him.  I haven't been willing to pay that price yet but there's apparently a Vance fanclub out there advancing the notion that he's got a ton of value right now.

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12 Team "Quasi-Dynasty"  10 Player Keeper 1QB/2 RB 3 WR / 1 TE  2 Flex (Premium TE value)

Team A Gave up: Car TE Greg Olsen; NYG WR Sterling Shepard; 2019 2.02 pick

Team B Gave up: Clev TE David Njuko; 2019 2.09 pick

 

Note: Picks are Vets & Rookies

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On 5/10/2019 at 7:02 AM, TheBottomLine said:

Alshon side easily here.

Gimme the pick all day. Alshon won’t be on the eagles next year

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1 hour ago, wakelawyer said:

I disagree but it seems as if a lot of people are buying into (or at least pitching) this concept.  I have received more offers of people trying to sell McDonald than any other player.  And I've been shocked at the value that his owners are placing on him.  I haven't been willing to pay that price yet but there's apparently a Vance fanclub out there advancing the notion that he's got a ton of value right now.

Never said a ton of value.  I dont think the 18th overall pick in this draft is a ton of value.  I said it didnt feel like it was far off from being a fair deal.  Guy had 600 yards and 4 TD last year in his first season in the offense, sharing his position with the incumbent and sharing targets with a target hog at WR - both are now gone.  The notion that he can improve on 50/610/4 is not far fetched, and an improvement on that to me would justify the 18th overall pick in this draft.

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22 minutes ago, ChuckLiddell said:

Never said a ton of value.  I dont think the 18th overall pick in this draft is a ton of value.  I said it didnt feel like it was far off from being a fair deal.  Guy had 600 yards and 4 TD last year in his first season in the offense, sharing his position with the incumbent and sharing targets with a target hog at WR - both are now gone.  The notion that he can improve on 50/610/4 is not far fetched, and an improvement on that to me would justify the 18th overall pick in this draft.

 

Not calling you out in particular.  But I've seen quite a few offers, in several leagues, from different owners, where I'm being pitched McDonald as if he is a top 5 dynasty TE.  I haven't noticed any guy whose value has been inflated nearly as much as his this year.

Now, with that being said, I was a huge fan of his when he first came out and would love to see him add on to what he did last year.  But I think that people are acting if he's already taken the next step.  

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14 team PPR TE Premium

Gave: Damien Williams

Got: Darrell Henderson + David Njoku

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10 minutes ago, ConnSKINS26 said:

14 team PPR TE Premium

Gave: Damien Williams

Got: Darrell Henderson + David Njoku

I'd take either one of Henderson or Njoku in a TE premium over Williams.

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2 hours ago, ChuckLiddell said:

I'd take either one of Henderson or Njoku in a TE premium over Williams.

Yeah I was pretty thrilled to find that offer waiting in my inbox. I'm doing a short re-tool after a couple championships and this type of offer helps speed it up (hopefully).

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15 hours ago, menobrown said:

FFPC trades:

Gave: Guice, 2020#2, projected playoff

Got: 1.2, 2.2 (I already had 1.1, 1.7 and 2.3 so this gave me 1,2, 7, 14 and 15)

Drafted Parris Cambell with the 2.2 I got from Guice trade and as I was trying to decide between two players at 14 I got this offer below which I took and then drafted both players I was looking at taking at 15 and 16:

Gave: Parris Cambell

Got: 2.4 and projected non-playoff#2

End result:

Gave Guice for 1.2, 2.4 and changed my 2020#2 from projected playoff to projected non-playoff which could end up being a fairly decent difference.

 

I don't like this at all. Guice would be the easy 1.1 in this draft. 

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Trade in PPR

I gave up Conner, James PIT RB; Edelman, Julian NEP WR; Olsen, Greg CAR TE; Adams, Jamal NYJ S

He gave up Howard, Jordan PHI RB; Miller, Lamar HOU RB; Crowder, Jamison NYJ WR; Kelce, Travis KCC TE; Diggs, Quandre DET S; Year 2020 Round 1 Draft Pick.

My main interests were Kelce and the 2020 1st.

I then traded with another owner my 2019 1.10 and 2.01 for his 2019 3.11 and his 2020 1st and 2nd. His first will be a high pick, possibly 1.01. I now have 3 2020 1sts and 2 2020 2nds and loaded for bear. :)

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2 minutes ago, Streetduck said:

Team A gave: 1.02

Team B gave: 2.01, 2.05 & 3.01

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4 minutes ago, Streetduck said:

Team A gave: 1.02

Team B gave: 2.01, 2.05 & 3.01

What am I missing on this one?  Seems very light for that type of move up.  I get the rhetoric is that this is  the year to trade down, but I don't think that really kicks in until after pick 5 or 6.  

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1 minute ago, Andy Dufresne said:

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Normally i'd say 1.2 was the obvious answer but I think i prefer the other side by a good margin this year.  

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Just now, bostonfred said:

Normally i'd say 1.2 was the obvious answer but I think i prefer the other side by a good margin this year.  

Shirley. You're joking.

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1 minute ago, bostonfred said:

Normally i'd say 1.2 was the obvious answer but I think i prefer the other side by a good margin this year.  

No doubt the draft is deeper with second/third tier talents than true stud prospects at the top.  I would imagine your view of this trade also depends on how you feel about the guys in that prospective top tier (Harry, Montgomery, Sanders, maybe a couple others).

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Everyone is trying to move down including me with no bites. I have the 1.01 so I decided to shoot this offer out and it got accepted within the hour so I started to doubt myself.

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Up further thought, I guess it's not as obvious as I thought.

I'd still keep the 1.2, but I can see believing you can make hay with the three picks.

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It also depends on your current roster.  

A contending team would do better adding one quality player who can crack the starting lineup,  A rebuilder might do better adding 3-4 later players who can provide depth and trade resources for the rebuild.

Either way though, just in value terms, should be able to pry more from a contender for 1.2 than two 2nds.  If that’s the best offer, I’d draft a player and look to flip him for a 1st as the draft progressed, or even for a 2020 1st-plus.

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Well I’m not a contender holding the 1.01 but was in a lot of games I lost last year. Drafted Guice at 1.02 last year taking over a refugee team. I figure two top picks this year can hopefully put me in contender range.

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6 minutes ago, Andy Dufresne said:

Shirley. You're joking.

I'm not.  If the draft is in August, i'll almost certainly take 1.2, but the way i see it, 1.2 right now is either harry, Sanders or Montgomery.  

4 minutes ago, coachoneill said:

No doubt the draft is deeper with second/third tier talents than true stud prospects at the top.  I would imagine your view of this trade also depends on how you feel about the guys in that prospective top tier (Harry, Montgomery, Sanders, maybe a couple others).

Right.  Could be metcalf, hock, fant, maybe even Murray. There's a bit of a consensus adp forming, but it's still the wild west right now.  

Let's say you get two of AJ brown, Singletary or kyler murray with those 3 picks.  That's unlikely, but possible. People seem to be going hard after the rams rookie back and the colts and chiefs receivers plus a couple tight ends so there's a lot of good stuff in that 2.1 range. 

AJ was in discussion as one of the top wrs in this year's draft and a lot of people liked him better than harry. Yet he's routinely slipping in these early drafts because of his landing spot.  I've seen him as easily as 1.5 and as late as 2.4.  But situation shouldn't matter that much here.  How much better or worse is the 2021 titans qb than the 2021 Patriots qb?  

This is going to seem like a hot take, but I honestly don't see a huge difference between singletary and Sanders/ Montgomery.  I understand that other people do, but to me Singletary is the only one with a legit chance to be a true feature back.  Montgomery could be a beast if he gets 40 plus receptions but Cohen seems to cap that upside. Sanders might have a chance to change the eagles' rbbc ways, but even if he earns a big role this year, he'll still have to fade next year's draft getting him a backfield mate. Singletary looks like a younger McCoy/Gore, and there's a real chance that he takes over one or both of their jobs this year.  He's a record setting touchdown scorer, runs well inside and outside, blocks well and caught the ball well as a sophomore but got targeted less and less and had a couple drops as a senior.  He's riskier because of his combine but man he looks good on film.  I don't see a huge downgrade. 

Murray is another guy who could be a difference maker.  He's going to need to move around a lot to get throwing lanes but he's got one of the best receiving backs in the league and a loaded core of young receivers. The cardinals o line sucked last year, but that's at least partially because all 5 of their starters were on IR.  With his running ability and those weapons in an offense built for him, there's a very high ceiling.  

3.1 might even get one of those guys. But let's say you get Terry Mclaurin instead.  Haskins college receiver, runs a 4.35, well known as a hard worker, willing blocker and consistently improving route runner.  I like him better than Isabella.  

I'm not saying that those guys are the best guys to target.  There's a lot of good guys. But i'd gladly take 3 of those guys over one shot at 1.2 this year.  

I finished an early draft recently.  I tried hard to buy into the second and third rounds.  Nobody wanted to move their picks. The guy with 1.2 tried hard to move down.  Nobody offered what he thought it was worth.  Maybe that's because

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Well one things for sure, both sides could end up happy or sad so I guess the gamble was equal for both as any good trade should be.

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15 minutes ago, bostonfred said:

I'm not.  If the draft is in August, i'll almost certainly take 1.2, but the way i see it, 1.2 right now is either harry, Sanders or Montgomery.  

Right.  Could be metcalf, hock, fant, maybe even Murray. There's a bit of a consensus adp forming, but it's still the wild west right now.  

Let's say you get two of AJ brown, Singletary or kyler murray with those 3 picks.  That's unlikely, but possible. People seem to be going hard after the rams rookie back and the colts and chiefs receivers plus a couple tight ends so there's a lot of good stuff in that 2.1 range. 

AJ was in discussion as one of the top wrs in this year's draft and a lot of people liked him better than harry. Yet he's routinely slipping in these early drafts because of his landing spot.  I've seen him as easily as 1.5 and as late as 2.4.  But situation shouldn't matter that much here.  How much better or worse is the 2021 titans qb than the 2021 Patriots qb?  

This is going to seem like a hot take, but I honestly don't see a huge difference between singletary and Sanders/ Montgomery.  I understand that other people do, but to me Singletary is the only one with a legit chance to be a true feature back.  Montgomery could be a beast if he gets 40 plus receptions but Cohen seems to cap that upside. Sanders might have a chance to change the eagles' rbbc ways, but even if he earns a big role this year, he'll still have to fade next year's draft getting him a backfield mate. Singletary looks like a younger McCoy/Gore, and there's a real chance that he takes over one or both of their jobs this year.  He's a record setting touchdown scorer, runs well inside and outside, blocks well and caught the ball well as a sophomore but got targeted less and less and had a couple drops as a senior.  He's riskier because of his combine but man he looks good on film.  I don't see a huge downgrade. 

Murray is another guy who could be a difference maker.  He's going to need to move around a lot to get throwing lanes but he's got one of the best receiving backs in the league and a loaded core of young receivers. The cardinals o line sucked last year, but that's at least partially because all 5 of their starters were on IR.  With his running ability and those weapons in an offense built for him, there's a very high ceiling.  

3.1 might even get one of those guys. But let's say you get Terry Mclaurin instead.  Haskins college receiver, runs a 4.35, well known as a hard worker, willing blocker and consistently improving route runner.  I like him better than Isabella.  

I'm not saying that those guys are the best guys to target.  There's a lot of good guys. But i'd gladly take 3 of those guys over one shot at 1.2 this year.  

I finished an early draft recently.  I tried hard to buy into the second and third rounds.  Nobody wanted to move their picks. The guy with 1.2 tried hard to move down.  Nobody offered what he thought it was worth.  Maybe that's because

"How much better or worse is the 2021 titans qb than the 2021 Patriots qb?"

This is a fantastic point.

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9 hours ago, Sebowski said:

I don't like this at all. Guice would be the easy 1.1 in this draft. 

Appreciate feedback and I hated to give up Guice but would disagree he is easy 1.1.  I know this very league I was sitting on pick 1.1 that  I absolutely preferred Jacobs who I took at 1.1. I own Guice in one other league and offered him straight up for the 1.1 the night before this trade was made and he rejected and took Jacobs.  So can't agree Guice is easy 1.1,  I think if he was in this draft his ADP would be 1.2, would go 1.1 in some drafts I'm sure, as late as 1.5 in others but would average 1.2.

 

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3 hours ago, ChuckLiddell said:

"How much better or worse is the 2021 titans qb than the 2021 Patriots qb?"

This is a fantastic point.

Fair if you're just concerned about their value in 2021.  These things are fluid though.  If Harry comes out and has a really nice rookie season with Brady his value will catapult even with the knowledge that Brady will be moving on soon.  We're talking potential 1st round startup value here before 2021.  Meanwhile Brown could be the opposite and could only get cheaper and cheaper as we head to 2021 and he languishes alongside poor QB play a la Corey Davis.

And FWIW, I trust the Patriots to find their next QB a lot more than I trust the Titans.

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1 hour ago, menobrown said:

Appreciate feedback and I hated to give up Guice but would disagree he is easy 1.1.  I know this very league I was sitting on pick 1.1 that  I absolutely preferred Jacobs who I took at 1.1. I own Guice in one other league and offered him straight up for the 1.1 the night before this trade was made and he rejected and took Jacobs.  So can't agree Guice is easy 1.1,  I think if he was in this draft his ADP would be 1.2, would go 1.1 in some drafts I'm sure, as late as 1.5 in others but would average 1.2.

 

Guice's startup ADP is a few picks after Jacobs and a few picks before Harry.

I agree with you.  As the owner of 1.01 in one league an offer of Guice for the pick would not interest me.

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Well I was excited about my last draft but when Fant went 1.13 right in front of me I decided to get out with my 1.14 OTC.

16 man .5/1.0/1.5 PPR full IDP

Gave 1.14

Got 2020 1st

Should be top 5, solid chance at 1.01

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23 minutes ago, Hankmoody said:

Well I was excited about my last draft but when Fant went 1.13 right in front of me I decided to get out with my 1.14 OTC.

16 man .5/1.0/1.5 PPR full IDP

Gave 1.14

Got 2020 1st

Should be top 5, solid chance at 1.01

Bragging

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On 5/13/2019 at 10:03 AM, cloppbeast said:

Nice trade.

Only time I've seen a rookie with 0 yards increase in value. 

I mean McGahee did, but that is probably all I can think of, and that was 15 years ago. That said, I'm in that boat that takes Guice over anyone in this year's class.

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