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I will add one caveat - when a guy goes from a sub par quarterback who targeted him a ton to a good new quarterback and new team and new system with other good targets, that can be an issue.
Say what now? OBJ averaged 19.31ppg vs. Woods 16.6ppg.
This really doesn't speak to the "too many mouths to feed" argument though (but rather WRs switching teams which does have some merits)
That's part of why i picked those guys. That, and they're recent examples. I could give plenty of examples of stuff wise receivers who flamed out after a change of some kind from Braylon Edwards and Josh Gordon, to randy moss and terell Owens, and you can probably draw some parallels (Cleveland, HoF talented stud changing teams, "hot head", etc.) if you really want.
For the record I agree that we should all be leery of WRs that change teams - especially that first season - but I do not think that has anything to do with "too many mouths to feed".
Let's be real here, Robinson and Edwards are not really a comparison. They were both struggling before changing teams. Robinson had one good year 3 years prior to his FA move and was headed to a team with what was considered at the time a questionable QB situation. He was a 3rd round startup pick heading into his first season with the Bears.
I tend to think that we saw his floor last year. His ascension from there is TBD but the floor is pretty safe for top30 I'd say. If it doesn't happen he falls a bit, but I can't imagine a scenario that he actually does profoundly worse than his 59/842/7 from last year. Maybe his TD's could come down a little with OJ there, but it seems pretty safe to hold there at a minimum.
Overvalued.....sell high....imo package him and another piece and upgradeZyphros said:
Harry Robbya a & Lindsay for me, Jwash is iffy as is Gesicki…..Im not a Jones truther either, I think GB could easily move on next draft......
Sorry, buddy. Feel free to PM me as a sounding board if you feel the summertime urge to play Monty Hall.I KNOW!!!
Andy, my friend. These trades have to sting worse than the beating Bog's and the Sister's put on you at Shawshank!
I'll take side B, and by a decent margin. Personally, I'm not a huge Anderson fan, and while Burton is better than Gesicki, they are both pretty irrelevant.
Someone should take my keys away too this time of year. I get too bored.I KNOW!!!
Well really, I'm not that displeased with it. I know it takes some squinting but here's how you talk yourself into things.
Yeah people get obsessed with trade value and forget that what really matters is whether you can start them and earn points. I like the Bell deal better than the Green deal but I get it. If Bell remains a stud then this won't look so bad. If Green does as well then it is solid.
If you think the second rounder you're getting back is going to be really early, then it becomes Green for a mid first and a couple of spots at the turn. That's not bad.
The hidden benefit here is that now his team is worse because he needs to fill Green's starting spot with someone not as good (unless he manages to do what I couldn't - flip the pick). So the 2nd may be mid to early in the 2nd. He was 6-7 last year and didn't have a very significant draft.
I'm not very high on Bell but see why people are. That one is closer, especially if you need a RB.
The thing I struggle with in my Zealot leagues is the concept of 'win-now'. With no prize money, I hesitate to give up future value for the pride win.
But whatever strategy you employ you're playing to win at some point with no pot of gold at the end.
As long as your cap can take that kind of salary, this is a massive win. I'm currently projecting a 2-game suspension, or less.
I'm personally worried forever about Hill. Even if he gets cleared of this, he's likely one strike from being finished. Maybe I'm being too pessimistic or conservative, but I'd prefer Godwin straight up, let alone for almost 1/6th the price.
Fair enough. I probably prefer Lockett in a vacuum, but if you needed a RB, and had loads at WR, its not a bad deal.
Yeah, I loved having Godwin for 5, but when I saw he had Hill in his "trade bait" I had to ask. I've got quite a few guys stashed below market value so I can probably carry him for a couple more years even with max increases
At first I didn't like it but in the short term, White's role is reliable and I think the fact it's superflex makes that 2nd a bit more valuable as some talented players can fall if the QB's (great or not) go a bit earlier than expected.
This is one I think you may regret in November. I see Lockett rocketing up and White going down quite a lot.
This is a nice out from Green. Those not high on DH won’t like it. Personally, I like trading for future 1sts from supposed playoff teams, those picks can turn from projected late picks to early ones with a few injuries.
Its a fair deal. I'd rather be on the Green side, but I'm pretty bullish on the Bengals offense this year. I think people are really underestimating how different a non Marvin Lewis coached team will look.
Essentially two firsts for the least productive WR of the old guard (AB, Julio, Green) is a great out. Especially in non-ppr.
You might be right about how the players will fare, but I simply don't believe in regret. If I lose out on this I lose out. If I can find a startable RB off of waivers this season I might try to flip White midseason. And although I like Lockett, I have Evans, Juju, Cooper, Sutton (who I am big on), JJAW who I am also big on, and don't see many scenarios where I would start Lockett.
