Golladay and Watkins12 Team PPR
Team A got Kenny Golladay and Sammy Watkins
Team B got Calvin Ridley and Tyrell Williams
Don't they have good reason? How many years have to go by with everyone holding him in such high esteem?Sammy Watkins always seems to get traded away for nothing. People are just so disappointed in him or something.
He's actually probably a bit over-valued in reality due to his name and "potential". The guy has just not produced like the stud he's assumed to be.+Don't they have good reason? How many years have to go by with everyone holding him in such high esteem?
No? I guess I don't think giving a player away far under his value presumably because of your emotions is good reasoning in a practical roster construction sense.Don't they have good reason? How many years have to go by with everyone holding him in such high esteem?
His last 3 years says otherwise.No? I guess I don't think giving a player away far under his value presumably because of your emotions is good reasoning in a practical roster construction sense.
I didn't say anything about how good he is or that his hype is justified. I said it's not smart to give him away for nothing when you can get a late 1st or more.His last 3 years says otherwise.
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39/593/8
40/519/3
How long do we ignore that, regardless of injuries? It doesn't justify the hype.
I watched Golladay all year. I don't think he beats Ridley and Williams alone.I didn't say anything about how good he is or that his hype is justified. I said it's not smart to give him away for nothing when you can get a late 1st or more.
Take Watkins out of the above trade entirely and the Golladay side still wins.
I think Ridley will be good and I prefer him over Galladay, but I also think Galladay is good, so I wouldn't have made that trade (as is) myself. Watkins is and has been overrated. Alone, I actually prefer Ridley over Galladay, but I consider Williams meh. I would have gone for something other than Williams, but I definitely see myself trading Galladay in a deal for Ridley.I didn't say anything about how good he is or that his hype is justified. I said it's not smart to give him away for nothing when you can get a late 1st or more.
Take Watkins out of the above trade entirely and the Golladay side still wins.
I'm not sure you can get a late first for him anymore. It's possible in some leagues maybe you can but after multiple years of putting up stats like JohnnyU listed, people are finally getting a little leery.I didn't say anything about how good he is or that his hype is justified. I said it's not smart to give him away for nothing when you can get a late 1st or more.
Take Watkins out of the above trade entirely and the Golladay side still wins.
Ridley outscored Golladay by five points in non-PPR standard this year.I'm not sure you can get a late first for him anymore. It's possible in some leagues maybe you can but after multiple years of putting up stats like JohnnyU listed, people are finally getting a little leery.
I don't see that trade as very far off - I think a legit argument can be made for Ridley over Golladay and at this point Williams likely has more of a chance of seeing a bump in value than Watkins if free agency lands him somewhere that he would be the top option in the passing game.
Those two are close, but it's the other player in the deal (Williams) that I don't like. I definitely would have traded Galladay and Watkins for Ridley and a late 1st in rookie drafts, maybe an early 2nd.Ridley outscored Golladay by five points in non-PPR standard this year.
Yep.Those two are close, but it's the other player in the deal (Williams) that I don't like. I definitely would have traded Galladay and Watkins for Ridley and a late 1st in rookie drafts, maybe an early 2nd.
I'm in two PPR startups drafting right now where 2019 picks are draftable. In the first one, Watkins went right after the 1.06 and before the 1.07. In the other startup he went right after the 1.11 and before the 1.12.I'm not sure you can get a late first for him anymore. It's possible in some leagues maybe you can but after multiple years of putting up stats like JohnnyU listed, people are finally getting a little leery.
I don't see that trade as very far off - I think a legit argument can be made for Ridley over Golladay and at this point Williams likely has more of a chance of seeing a bump in value than Watkins if free agency lands him somewhere that he would be the top option in the passing game.
That doesn't justify it because of his lack of production the last 3 years. There are always some players that we overrate far too long and Watkins might be one of those players.I'm in two PPR startups drafting right now where 2019 picks are draftable. In the first one, Watkins went right after the 1.06 and before the 1.07. In the other startup he went right after the 1.11 and before the 1.12.
Golladay went in the 4th round in both. Ridley went in the 7th round in both.
Well two anecdotal accounts doesn't really change what I said - and start ups are a different animal than an established league (but not saying your information isn't relevant). Like I said I'm sure in some leagues you may be able to move Watkins for a late first but in many you would be turned down.I'm in two PPR startups drafting right now where 2019 picks are draftable. In the first one, Watkins went right after the 1.06 and before the 1.07. In the other startup he went right after the 1.11 and before the 1.12.
Golladay went in the 4th round in both. Ridley went in the 7th round in both.
Doesn't justify what? All in saying is that his value is around a late first right now. Why give him away for nothing?That doesn't justify it because of his lack of production the last 3 years. There are always some players that we overrate far too long and Watkins might be one of those players.
If you have a larger sample of recent ADP data to quote I'd be interested in knowing what that looks like right now.Well two anecdotal accounts doesn't really change what I said - and start ups are a different animal than an established league (but not saying your information isn't relevant). Like I said I'm sure in some leagues you may be able to move Watkins for a late first but in many you would be turned down.
For the record I'd take the Golladay/Watkins side also - I just did not see it as so one sided or "Watkins for free". I wouldn't be shocked if one year from now the Ridley/Williams side looks like the better side.
I'll take the Fournette and Boyd side.12 Team .5 PPR
Team A got L Bell, J Doctson
Team B got LFournette, T Boyd
I think I was clear in saying start up value does not always equate to established league trade value. I also said your information is not irrelevant. I'll admit when I say I don't think you can get a late first for Watkins in most leagues that speculation is based on a limited sample size of my five leagues and general consensus from reading these boards.If you have a larger sample of recent ADP data to quote I'd be interested in knowing what that looks like right now.
Sure, I appreciate your view here. Just to be clear I'm not really trying to argue. I would love to see a larger sample size recent Adp, but just because it would be a data point with more reliable consensus value information.I think I was clear in saying start up value does not always equate to established league trade value. I also said your information is not irrelevant. I'll admit when I say I don't think you can get a late first for Watkins in most leagues that speculation is based on a limited sample size of my five leagues and general consensus from reading these boards.
You are correct in saying he still does have name recognition and many people still consider his "potential" when assessing his value, I and a few others were merely saying at this point maybe that should no longer be the case.
I still don't see anything wrong with that trade or see it as blatantly one sided - we'll see what it looks like down the road I guess.
I wouldn't give a late 1st rd rookie pick for Watkins. I wouldn't even give an early 2nd. ....but that's me.Doesn't justify what? All in saying is that his value is around a late first right now. Why give him away for nothing?
Agreed, it only takes one per league who will though to get the deal done.I wouldn't give a late 1st rd rookie pick for Watkins. I wouldn't even give an early 2nd. ....but that's me.
I would have thought that time has come and gone.Agreed, it only takes one per league who will though to get the deal done.
Dude. Nobody is giving a late 1st for Watkins at this point.I didn't say anything about how good he is or that his hype is justified. I said it's not smart to give him away for nothing when you can get a late 1st or more.
Take Watkins out of the above trade entirely and the Golladay side still wins.
Except for those two people in my startups who effectively just did by drafting him ahead of late firsts... One guy drafted him ahead of 1.07. Rich Dotson also just said he prefers Watkins to a late first on the latest podcast.Dude. Nobody is giving a late 1st for Watkins at this point.
I see a lot of chatter about this trade, sorry did not have time to read it all, when I saw initial comments to this trade last night I was little surprised.12 Team PPR
Team A got Kenny Golladay and Sammy Watkins
Team B got Calvin Ridley and Tyrell Williams
I stand corrected.kittenmittens said:Except for those two people in my startups who effectively just did by drafting him ahead of late firsts... One guy drafted him ahead of 1.07. Rich Dotson also just said he prefers Watkins to a late first on the latest podcast.
I'm going to take anything further to the Watkins thread.
That doesn't change that Watkins' value isn't a late 1st rounder by most FF owners IMO. That ship has sailed ....again IMO.I stand corrected.
That's ridiculous. At least tell me it's an IDP league so that 3.01 has some actual roster value.12 team 1 point per rec.
Team A gave up Tyrell Williams LAC WR
Team B gave up Year 2019 Round 3 Draft Pick{ pic 3.1}
Why wouldn't you tell us the rounds Watkins went in so we have a full comparison?kittenmittens said:I'm in two PPR startups drafting right now where 2019 picks are draftable. In the first one, Watkins went right after the 1.06 and before the 1.07. In the other startup he went right after the 1.11 and before the 1.12.
Golladay went in the 4th round in both. Ridley went in the 7th round in both.
Watkins went in rounds 8 and 10. Tyrell went in the 15th in both.That's ridiculous. At least tell me it's an IDP league so that 3.01 has some actual roster value.
Why wouldn't you tell us the rounds Watkins went in so we have a full comparison?
You're not wrong at all. Most owners do not value him there. It's probably between 0 and 2 owners per league who might pay that, at best.That doesn't change that Watkins' value isn't a late 1st rounder by most FF owners IMO. That ship has sailed ....again IMO.
Give me Kirk, but i’m high on him.12 Team PPR
Team A gave Christian Kirk
Team B got Marlon Mack
2.3 for me because I own Samuel on two FFPC teams and have not really considered him a keeper or would keep him on any teams for that matter when cuts are due. I did see the latest trade value chart that Dan Hindery put together and he had Samuel with decent value and over some players I would easily keep over Samuels so based on that chart this seems reasonable, but for me I'd take the 2.3 easily.FFPC
Gave Curtis Samuel, pick 3.12
Got pick 2.3
Even kind of trade that would depend on team makeup. Like Kingsbury hire for Kirk and have a lot more confidence he'll be a long term piece but if I'm not deep at RB I'd hold Mack. Obvious concern with a player like Mack this time of year is what comp might the Colts bring in at RB, his value jumps if he survives FA and draft without Colts bringing in big time comp but right now a little concern that I'd have to factor in his price. Post FA and draft if all goes well this trade swings to Mack side no matter team makeup.12 Team PPR
Team A gave Christian Kirk
Team B got Marlon Mack
Mack12 Team PPR
Team A gave Christian Kirk
Team B got Marlon Mack
Meno, you playing the long game or do you believe Freeman is done?menobrown said:FFPC:
Gave: Devonta Freeman
Got: Rashaad Penny
Long game and what I view as potential for more upside.Meno, you playing the long game or do you believe Freeman is done?
All to happy to talk about my team but don't want to clog trade thread so I'll try and be brief, sometimes people ask my teams and I come across like this guy: How ya doingAgree with your take. Just curious, what does your roster look like after the trade?