Interseptopus
Footballguy
Pretty good grab for you I think. I like Boyd the best of all of these players and picks but you got what hes worth imo
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Gottabesweet
Footballguy
Interseptopus
Footballguy
I'd probably take Ridley. At least we know he can produce. I have him much higher than Boyd by himself
Sanders is RBBC. DK is hyped but unknown. He might be 2nd choice, Montgomery 3rd. But it would depend on my needs... if I needed a rb I'd take Montgomery.
Slider
Footballguy
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
That’s who I grabbedSlider said:
trade ended up being
Boyd, Hooper, 4th, and 4th and 5th next year
Sanders, Wentz, Ian Thomas, 2020 2nd (late) and 2020 3rd (early)
King of the Jungle
Footballguy
With no hesitation I would take Ridley. I expect him to build off his productive rookie season and see him as the best long term asset of the bunch.Gottabesweet said:
bostonfred
Footballguy
It's an interesting group. I'll go
Ridley
Montgomery
Sanders
DK
But i like all 4 and could easily see DK being the best of the bunch. All part of a big tier for me but there's a mini tier drop between Montgomery and Sanders.
Ridley
Montgomery
Sanders
DK
But i like all 4 and could easily see DK being the best of the bunch. All part of a big tier for me but there's a mini tier drop between Montgomery and Sanders.
I'd go Golladay by a fair margin. I just think its too easy for Mack to be a part time player, I don't see a special talent, and its possible he's no better than any of their other RB's, now that they have at least a year of experience. Mack is in a nice situation, but I can't help but get a bit of a 2018 Alex Collins vibe off him.JoeJoe88 said:
Golladay feels like a long term #1 WR for the Lions, which makes him a very solid WR2 in fantasy, especially if Stafford's late season decline was more injury related than we initially thought.
That's a pretty high price for Goedert. Goedert is an intersting player, I personally feel like he's every bit the prospect Hockenson is, but he's behind Ertz, but has a better team situation, should something befell Ertz. Goedert's ceiling if Ertz goes down IMO, is TE1 overall. Basically, if Ertz goes down, and the team makes the playoffs this will look like a good move, but that is two pretty big what ifs.More likely this is a pretty heavy overpay, and I say that as someone who doesn't think very much of Irv Smith at all.Zyphros said:
In a vacuum,I'd slightly prefer the Boyd side of this. I think he's a high-end WR3 for years to come. Like a young Golden Tate, he's a very valuable PPR asset. I also like Hooper a ton more than Thomas, both short and long term. But, with how this draft fell, with 2 outliers in the top-3, I think I'll take Wentz and the picks.Gottabesweet said:
Ridley>Montgomery>Sanders>>Metcalf would have been my ranks.Gottabesweet said:
Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
I’m curious how you can say Doyle will be gone after this year yet you’re are not concerned at all long term with ebron, despite the fact that both are free agents after this season?
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BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
Ebron is younger and outplayed him on lesser snaps. If you were running the organization the obvious choice is Ebron. So no I’m not concerned, every trade or draft picks has pros and cons. IMO the pros outweighs the cons.
Tex
Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
Yeah that doesn’t address your pipe dream that ebron will be there long term yet Doyle will be gone after this year
Interseptopus
Footballguy
One could argue that because Ebron is younger he could be more expensive, which could lead to Indy not being a buyer. Why not sign Doyle to a modest deal and see what you have in Mo Cox?
Especially when Indy has to make a decision on TY Hilton this offseason as well as Mack. A TE trying to get overpaid isnt as high of a priority for most teams.
Especially when Indy has to make a decision on TY Hilton this offseason as well as Mack. A TE trying to get overpaid isnt as high of a priority for most teams.
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Mack still has 2 years left on his deal, and I'd be blown away if Indy let Hilton(also 2 years left) go anywhere, unless he completely fell apart, which he's shown zero signs of. In fact, his rate stats were the best of his career last year.
Indy also has the most cap room of any team in the NFL, with basically no dead money at all. They have plenty of room to keep both Ebron and Doyle if they want. Also a modest deal would be a paycut for Doyle who makes over 5 million this year.
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Interseptopus
Footballguy
Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
Tyler kroft just signed a 3 year $18.75 million contract. Wouldn’t count on a discount for Doyle, or any te for that matter
True, although that was by a mostly poorly run team. Indy has arguably been the best run FO since Ballard took over. If some dumb team offers Doyle say, 3-24, I don't think it'll be Indy.
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Blick
Footballguy
Gottabesweet
Footballguy
Sent 20 and 30 for 16 and 41
took Hockenson
They took Dionte Johnson or Hakeem Butler (had back to back picks). Pick 30 and 41hadn’t happened yet.
took Hockenson
They took Dionte Johnson or Hakeem Butler (had back to back picks). Pick 30 and 41hadn’t happened yet.
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In a startup I did, Kupp went 3 rounds ahead of Kirk. Round 4 and 7 respectively.
Not that I'd call Hockenson a bad pick, and maybe I'm hanging on too much to what I thought pre-draft, but I think I'd rather have Butler than Hockenson. Its possible I'm way too high on Butler. Still, all 3 of those guys should have gone higher on my opinion.
For comparisons sake, in my rookie draft picks 16 and 41 were Diontae Johnson(by a Steelers fan), and Treyveon Williams, and picks 20 and 30 were Justice Hill, and Kelvin Harmon.
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Interseptopus
Footballguy
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
Doyle is currently on a huge deal. Not sure if he’ll take less if he doesn’t have to.
Tex
BigTex
Don't mess with Texas
We all believe we will win our League, that’s the pipe dream. What i’ve imagine is a possibility not a pipe dream. Whether I’m right or not will not make or break my team. Ebron was a top ten draft pick. Some of you may have forgotten about that. He’s still young, experienced and has that same draft capital as TJ....with more skin on the wall.
Yes, I’m beating on a young more accomplished TE who was drafted in the top 10 vs an UDFA.
Tex
barackdhouse
Footballguy
I'm with you. His stats have gotten better each year, with a statistically insignificant dip in Detroit. He is still young and has improved on his technique as well. He has had drop issues throughout his career but has shown improvement there as well. I don't see him repeating last year's numbers but he has set a personal goal of 18 TDs this year. I'll take the under thank you very much but still, just the fact he thinks it's possible is something. They're gonna throw to him and use him as the weapon they know him to be. Doyle is JAG who can block and play snaps and will get a piece of the pie. I want Ebron's slice.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
This is the essence of it. You're not mortgaging your future on him. And it really isn't that far fetched anyway. I think Ebron is the obvious choice and continue to be amazed how low the FF community is on him.
Snorkelson
Footballguy
I agree with the general take here although as a lions fan I had no problem shipping him off this offseason, but I’m obviously biased. I disagree with a couple things here- first that ebron is getting better with the drops- that may be statistically accurate but he still drops passes he should reel in, often when it matters most. Doyle caught 80 balls two years ago, he’s not a Michael hooomanamamamawi type who blocks and nothing else. If ebron weren’t there we’d be hyping Doyle as potential comeback player of the year. They will eat into each other’s opportunities.
Skeletore Eh
Footballguy
Doyle is not currently on a huge deal. He's in the final year of a 3 year $18 million contract. He’s making $5 million this year
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Interseptopus
Footballguy
Doyle is the 14th highest paid te this season.
Jimmy Graham makes 10 mil in 2019.
Ebron could demand a salary that pays him 9-10mil a season, especially if he has as good of a season as many in here think. IMO not sure that's worth it, especially when they may not be signing Hilton and Mack this offseason, but will need to plan to sign them. Oh yeah, and this guy named Andrew Luck who will be demanding a big contract in a couple years or be looking for an extension sooner.
Sure, they have cap space, but they NEED it for some pretty important positions coming up.
I'd be surprised if they signed him, but then again GMs do stupid stuff all the time that surprises me.
battlestar
Footballguy
Just dealt:
Dwayne Haskins
for
2020 1st.
12 team Superflex PPR , took him at 1.6 in our rookie draft and I considered him a luxury as I still have Ryan, Rivers, Darnold and Lock. Pick could be anywhere but I’m happy either way as I made the pick on value not because I love Haskins. First year of this league fwiw.
Dwayne Haskins
for
2020 1st.
12 team Superflex PPR , took him at 1.6 in our rookie draft and I considered him a luxury as I still have Ryan, Rivers, Darnold and Lock. Pick could be anywhere but I’m happy either way as I made the pick on value not because I love Haskins. First year of this league fwiw.
Slider
Footballguy
bostonfred
Footballguy
It's still a bad trade because you know you're in the minority thinking that, so you know you can get more.
I think you could get a mid 2019 first on top of Kirk for kupp in a lot of leagues.
JackReacher
Footballguy
Slider
Footballguy
So if you want to move Kupp and you like Kirk you hold because you can't get more? I make the trade and hope I'm right on Kirk being undervalued.
Wait... You think you can get a mid first and Kirk for Kupp? Are you related to Kupp?
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I'd agree on Luck and Hilton, but Ebron is both more important, and plays a more important position than Mack. Mack getting a 2nd contact would be the biggest surprise. Especially since Reich is a big believer in using multiple RB's. That was a big reason they didn't go after Bell.
bostonfred
Footballguy
If someone offered you their 7th and 8th round picks for your 4.4 in a dynasty startup, would you be interested? I don't think it's a slam dunk for either side.
Here's the first free dynasty ranking i found googling dynasty adp 2019. It's rankings not adp but it doesn't seem far off to me and is about what i saw in a recent ffpc startup.
https://www.fantasypros.com/nfl/rankings/dynasty-overall.php
Kupp 40th overall, wr19.
Kirk 79th overall, wr34.
In a 12 team league that's an early 4th round startup for a 7th.
Popular mid 2019 first round picks like dk, Paris, fant and hockenson are 86th through 97th - so pretty squarely in the 8th round.
joey
Footballguy
I like what Team A gets in both trades. I see Lockett as = Pettis in terms of potential upside, so it’s a 3.4 for free. Granted I own Pettis in 3 of 3 dynasty leagues so...
And the first trade is basically 1 stud QB for 3 stud players (I guess Rodgers is a waning stud, but still top 6 QB in start 1 QB leagues)
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Slider
Footballguy
I run my teams by my gut. You obviously let someone else run yours. I don't give a rats behind what some ranking system says. If I like Kirk and want to move Kupp away he goes. I mean I sure wouldn't take the first offer but if that's all I get, he goes. I guess we'll see in 3 years but I doubt either win you a league or anything.
bostonfred
Footballguy
That first trade is absurd. I'd take Michael Thomas over mahomes, but even if i preferred mahomes, adding in Rodgers should be more than enough.
Throwing in Keenan Allen for funchess is just ridiculous.
The second trade is just preference. I mildly prefer Lockett if I need him to win now and i mildly prefer Pettis and a third if I'm rebuilding or have enough wr depth that i don't need to start Lockett.
Throwing in Keenan Allen for funchess is just ridiculous.
The second trade is just preference. I mildly prefer Lockett if I need him to win now and i mildly prefer Pettis and a third if I'm rebuilding or have enough wr depth that i don't need to start Lockett.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
bostonfred
Footballguy
This seems unnecessarily hostile.
I quoted the rankings because you and @JackReacher said a first was too much to add. This is the dynasty trade value thread, so people are looking for a consensus trade value, not just what slider thinks or bostonfred thinks, and the rankings i posted say there's a big gap between the two.
That should be valuable information for someone who owns kupp and prefers kirk like you do. Maybe you can get Kirk and a first in your league.
I agree that Kirk has upside and i don't blame you for being high on his talent. He looked good last year before he got hurt. Kupp was a stud rb1 last year before he got hurt.
Kupp returns to the same qb, same offense, and the rams haven't added any receivers. Kirk returns to a different qb, a completely different offense, and the team spent a couple early picks on new receivers.
There's a reason kupp is going so much higher than Kirk. That doesn't mean you're wrong. I think Arizona will be much better on offense this year and will run a ton if plays, and Kirk has a good chance to enter 2020 as their wr1 which could be very valuable. If you believe in him and Murray and the air raid then he's a clear buy.
If we're talking about trade value, it's a bad trade. If we're talking about who you prefer in a vacuum, it's good to know that there are people out there who prefer kirk to kupp.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
barackdhouse
Footballguy
All FFPC - a bunch that went down in the last week or so, not involved in any of them: Team A is the same in all, and B and so forth
Team A gives McCoy, 2020 2nd
Team B gives Funchess
Team C gives DJ Moore, Mike Williams
Team A gives Julio
Team A gives Conner, Snell, Jesse James
Team D gives Damien Harris, Godwin, Trey Burton
Team B gives Kittle
Team C gives Lindsay, 2020 1st (not a good team not a bad team, IDK)
Different league, different A, B.....
Team A gives Bell
Team B gives Brandon Cooks, 2020 1st (likely late, this team is stacked)
Team A gives Jalen Richard, Coutee
Team C gives Damien Harris
Team C gives Antonio Brown, 2020 3rd
Team D gives Conner
One more FFPC league:
Team A gives Ito Smith, Ronald Jones, 2020 1st (late)
Team B gives Guice
This last one irks me a little as I am defending champion and the team getting Guice is by far and away my stiffest competition. I am *not* a Guice fan, but I would expect to pay more than this to get him.
Team A gives McCoy, 2020 2nd
Team B gives Funchess
Team C gives DJ Moore, Mike Williams
Team A gives Julio
Team A gives Conner, Snell, Jesse James
Team D gives Damien Harris, Godwin, Trey Burton
Team B gives Kittle
Team C gives Lindsay, 2020 1st (not a good team not a bad team, IDK)
Different league, different A, B.....
Team A gives Bell
Team B gives Brandon Cooks, 2020 1st (likely late, this team is stacked)
Team A gives Jalen Richard, Coutee
Team C gives Damien Harris
Team C gives Antonio Brown, 2020 3rd
Team D gives Conner
One more FFPC league:
Team A gives Ito Smith, Ronald Jones, 2020 1st (late)
Team B gives Guice
This last one irks me a little as I am defending champion and the team getting Guice is by far and away my stiffest competition. I am *not* a Guice fan, but I would expect to pay more than this to get him.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Continuously taking less than market value in deals will inevitably kill your chances forever in dynasty leagues. There is really no debating that.
You also seems to be refusing to acknowledge that you will be wrong many times over on players.
Knowing your limitations and using value will allow you to acquire a greater number of "your" players as you go.
Any read on the 2020 1st yet, or do we just assume it is random?
I think you sold too soon and Haskins will be worth maybe 2x random 2020 1sts in a SF league. Very likely to be worth a 1st+ at minimum.
battlestar
Footballguy
Early to mid but that’s at best a guess. You could be right and that was my main worry. Although I am trying to acquire ammo to get another star table RB 2-3 type or consolidate to an RB1 and Haskins is my best chip to fill a position of need. This may not be the end of the line but the first step toward that. I’m not sure if the value you describe would have played out in this league. First year startup and first year dynasty for some guys and they undervalue QB’s so far so don’t think his value would climb as high as two firsts.
Appreciate the response.
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League 1: I think team A lost all 3 deals. Not sure why they wanted Funchess, and they didn't get much for Julio or Conner. The Kittle for Lindsay and a 2020 1st seems pretty far to me, I'd probably prefer Kittle but its close. Team C made out pretty well, trading 3 young guys with upside, but also question marks, for Julio and Kittle. I'd bet that 1st rounder is a later pick now.
League 2: Bell+Coutee for Harris+Cooks+2020 late 1st looks like a downgrade for team A. Team B likely improved getting Bell, and team C stayed the same. I probably would have preferred to keep Brown, but I'm not a huge Conner believer.
League 3: I think that is a fair price to pay for Guice, I prefer the Guice side, but I can see a scenario where the other side wins, especially if that pick ends up higher than expected, if Guice disappoints.
Slider
Footballguy
ConnSKINS26
Footballguy
Huh? If that happened Goedurt would immediately become a top-5 TE for most people. Obviously worth one late 2020 1st and Irv Smith.
