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But at least Robinson has put up respectable numbers with Bortles. No one has put up good numbers with Brock. And even if they move on from Brock, then what? There's no guarantee the next guy will be any better.
Redraft absolutely. No debate. I can name at least 10 guys I'd definitely take over him and about 4-5 others I see him in similar company dynasty wise. So I guess to me that's low QB1/high QB2. I personally would like to see him get the contract in WAS and perform at least on par with 2015 pace for a full year before slotting him top 12.
For two seasons now he's been as good or better than the 10 definites you put ahead of him. I'm not saying you are wrong about your subjective opinions but I also can't see how you could claim some one was wrong for saying he's a dynasty QB1, because he has been and is still young. I don't see anyway that he doesn't remain in Washington. What are their other options? When you find a QB you have to keep him.
He hasn't been as good or better than all those guys fantasy wise over the past two seasons and I believe he's older than all but 3 of them. If we are defining QB1 in dynasty by fantasy ppg then clearly he qualifies over the past 2 years. If it accounts for age, situation, trade value, etc then again I'm on the fence. I see him in a low end QB1/High End QB2 tier.
The league is start 1RB (although up to four can be flexed) and they only get 0.5 per reception, but I took Lacy here so I agree.
To be fair this was a few weeks ago., at the time the only news was he was out of walking boot. Other owner was making a strong playoff push and was down on the Watkins injury.
Ouch. I'd rather have Greg Olsen. Probably straight up would have been fair IMO. Graham turns 30 in a week and has worse injury history.Bfrahm3 said:
Both are old so age doesn't matter to much to me, it's a move to win this year and I consider grahams chance to help me win this year a lot better then olsens. It's more then I wanted to give up but if I get a championship I'm fine with losing a pick that is still a year away
I'm not sure how this helps all that much this year. Olsen has scored more total points than Graham, and he's scored more PPG. Heck, Olsen is the number 1 TE in my PPR league.
Very true, I guess it's risky and a steep price to pay for the risk but graham wasnt involved the first two games which hurts his PPG, and yes Olsen is still TE1 but that's because of his dominance the first 6 weeks, since his bye week 7 he's has one game over 10 points and it was mainly because he actually got a TD, otherwise he has basically put up 40 yards in each of the last 3 weeks. Graham has a much better chance catching a TD plus with the last loss Seattle is going to have to play out the year hard to get the second bye which I think helps grahams chances of producing.
I don't disagree necessarily with the logic. Though trends have a way of reversing themselves at the wrong time...I wish others in my leagues felt the way you do.
Oh yeah with my luck Olsen will start doing good again. The owner is active but he doesn't trade a lot, I asked him if he would be interested trading graham, he said yes, I started with Olsen and a most likely early third. He said he isn't that interested since Olsen isn't doing as good and is actually older then graham. I told him I could go up to a 2017 second (not mine so mid second) and he tried getting a 2017 first which was to much for me so I figured a 2018 first which doesn't really give him any value for another 2 years so not that much different then a 2017 second.
That's not really true, because owning a 2018 first, immediately gives him an asset. He can possibly trade that pick during the 2017 draft for a first (or early second if a player he likes falls) or he can trade it for a player - just like you did (and could have in the future).
And I get that but I'm 99% sure he won't be trading that pick, in the last two years I think he has made 3 trades and all of them have been started by another owner. He doesn't have a bad team but could be if he actually looking into trading. Against a more trade active owner then I definitely wouldn't have wanted to give up as much and I also think I would have needed to cause a different owner probably would have taken a 2017 second.
Those numbers seem a little ambitious. He's reached 30 points once all season (and cleared 20 one other time) and is averaging 13.06 ppg on the season.
True. Sorry if it came off as bashing the guy (not my intention although I can see how it could look like it) - I can surely see this logic and know the type he was dealing with. Personally I would have stayed put but perhaps he's right in thinking Graham is about to explode and become a difference maker. In that case it may turn out to be a good deal for him.
The only thing I understood about your question is you want to back up Ware. Other than that I have no clue what you're asking. Either way its the wrong forum for questions like that. Try taking it to the AC for some responses, and maybe clean up the question to be more clear.
sorry, let me reformat that for you.
