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Stefon Diggs and Tevin Coleman were traded for Keenan Allen.
Main counter I'd make to that is I think that while I see why you would comp rookie years I think they are the same age right now so not quite fair to comp 21 year old rookie Evans to 23 year old rookie Thomas. I would still think Thomas has more growth potential to his game as players usually evolve from year one to two but fair to point out similar age. ETA-also 21 year old rookie Evans did not have a future HOF throwing to him.Michael thomas rookie year 92 / 1137 / 9
Evans rookie year 68/1051/12
Evans is clearly the pricier commodity, but Thomas might end up being better than evans straight up. 1.2 is a couple tiers above 1.8. .
Wish I coulda seen Evans as a rookie with Brees. Oh well.Michael thomas rookie year 92 / 1137 / 9
Evans rookie year 68/1051/12
Evans is clearly the pricier commodity, but Thomas might end up being better than evans straight up. 1.2 is a couple tiers above 1.8. .
Would be nice to see what thomas can do with 173 targets instead of 121. Every situation is different.Wish I coulda seen Evans as a rookie with Brees. Oh well.
I think based on pure talent Thomas is every bit as good as Evans right now.173 targets from Winston or Brees?
Situations change much more drastically than the talent does. Give me Evans over Thomas by a ton. The 2 for 8 swap makes it just a lot.
then you must feel that this was only about 1/4 what it should take to get ThomasFFPC
Team A gave: Jordan Howard and 2.1
Team B gave: Michael Thomas
This trade just got accepted like right when I made the previous post, crazy timing.
Because I said I thought he was as talented as Evans?then you must feel that this was only about 1/4 what it should take to get Thomas
Well talent is just one part of the equation so to answer your question, no.Umm, yeah
And Sterling Shepard just had a better rookie year than Antonio Brown, so how many top picks will it take alone with Brown to get Shepard?Michael thomas rookie year 92 / 1137 / 9
Evans rookie year 68/1051/12
Evans is clearly the pricier commodity, but Thomas might end up being better than evans straight up. 1.2 is a couple tiers above 1.8. .
How confident do you have to be when you're talking about whether or not you end up with a 23 year old top 3 dynasty WR that will be your WR1 for the next 10 years? That's a lot to give up if you take a risk and are wrong. History is littered with receivers that had a good season and then fell off the map or had 'meh' careers, especially when you look at ones that lost great QBs. I don't think you'll find many WRs that had three great seasons and then just disappeared, especially not ones with a good young stable QB beside them.Again - i would rather have evans than thomas. But giving up an elite prospect to upgrade from thomas to evans should only be done if you're really, really confident that the stud you get back is better than the stud you're giving up.
If you need a WR to compete then Treadwell probably doesn't make sense for your squad. If you need a young high potential WR that you can get cheaper then last year then the 2.1 is a great price to pay.I got a team that could use a WR pretty bad and I'd not even consider giving the 2.1 for him so yea if I had him I'd jump on getting that. Label it giving up if you want, I call it cutting your losses.
Howard/PickFFPC
Team A gave: Jordan Howard and 2.1
Team B gave: Michael Thomas
This trade just got accepted like right when I made the previous post, crazy timing.
If Treadwell were in this draft where would you rank him? Where would you have him on a draft list?If you need a WR to compete then Treadwell probably doesn't make sense for your squad. If you need a young high potential WR that you can get cheaper then last year then the 2.1 is a great price to pay.
If you move him for 2.1 you're giving up. Not a label.
Is that even what evans is? When he had 74/1208/3 last year and led the league in drops, he wasn't a wr1. He had 12 tds this year. Did he have a better year because he and winston just got better? Or did they have an off year because evans lost focus? Was that a one time thing?a 23 year old top 3 dynasty WR that will be your WR1 for the next 10 years
This is what I was trying to accomplish by making the deal. The team i took over will not be competing for a championship any time real soon. I'm basically trying to overhaul the roster. So far I've landed Rodgers/Duke Johnson/Treadwell. I have a long way to go.If you need a WR to compete then Treadwell probably doesn't make sense for your squad. If you need a young high potential WR that you can get cheaper then last year then the 2.1 is a great price to pay.
If you move him for 2.1 you're giving up. Not a label.
Is there any precedent for a WR starting his career with 3 straight 1,000 yard seasons and NOT becoming a perennial WR1? Or for a WR having any 3 straight 1,000 yard seasons and not?Is that even what evans is?
Floyd12 Team, Tiered PPR (RB=0.5, WR=1.0), start 2QB, 1RB, 1WR, 1TE, 4Flex
Gave: Dion Lewis
Received: Michael Floyd
Aj green, randy moss and John jefferson are the only ones to start with 3 straight 1000 yard seasons. Jefferson never had a 4th 1000 yard season.Is there any precedent for a WR starting his career with 3 straight 1,000 yard seasons and NOT becoming a perennial WR1? Because there is a big precedent for a WR starting his career with a single 1,000 yard season and not becoming a perennial WR1. There is also a big precedent for a receiver seeing a major dropoff in production when downgrading at QB.
OK fair enough. 10 years of WR1 production is just a way people use to describe long-term elite WRs around here and I picked up on it. These guys get hurt, have the occasional down year inbetween, etc such that no one literally has 10 actual years of actual WR1 production.Aj green, randy moss and John jefferson are the only ones to start with 3 straight 1000 yard seasons. Jefferson never had a 4th 1000 yard season.
I suppose the bar isn't "1000 yard season", though, it's "10 more years of wr1 production". And none of these guys went on to have 10 more years of wr1 production after their 3 years of 1000 yards. Moss came close - he had 10 years of 1000 yard production including his first 3 seasons, but not ten more.
Aj green is also on track - since those first 3 years, he's had 3 more years of pro bowl production, which is his whole six year career thus far. He could well have 7 more. But the odds are against it.
Marvin harrison had 3 years of 750+ to start, then 8 straight 1000 yard seasons. Andre johnson had 7 1000 yard seasons.
In fact, there's a grand total of one guy ever who had 13 1000 yard seasons - jerry rice, who had 14 of them. And they were pretty much all wr1 seasons. So it can be done. It's just rare.
It's easier to say "ten more years of wr1 production" than to find guys who've done it. Which is kind of the point - it's possible that he will have a long career of non stop success, but not every wr1 repeats the following year. And again, evans was not even a wr1 last year.
I think it's likely that evans has more elite production left. I have him as a top 3 dynasty wr, same as you. But if you seriously expect 10 more years of wr1 productiom from him, you should have him as higher than a top 3 dynasty wr. He should be the most valuable untouchable player in dynasty. And if you don't, you shouldn't have him that far ahead of a guy from whom you expect a few more years of wr1 production, because that may be as many as evans has left.
You both loseFFPC
Gave Brandon Marshall
Got Breshad Perriman
Interesting deal. I may be tempted to make a deal, but it would be a tough decision to move Julio for those pieces.FFPC this went down earlier this week:
Corey Coleman, Malcolm Mitchell, and 1.3
for
Julio Jones
I would keep Julio in all cases here, whether competing or rebuilding.FFPC this went down earlier this week:
Corey Coleman, Malcolm Mitchell, and 1.3
for
Julio Jones
Seems a bit pricey IMO. I'm not sure Allen is any better than Diggs so adding Coleman is a (great) bonus I think. I'd take the Diggs/Coleman side for sure.Stefon Diggs and Tevin Coleman were traded for Keenan Allen.
I agree with this. I'd take lower than 2.01 actually because I just see too many red flags. I think there's a reasonable chance he's almost worthless after next season so I wouldn't fault anyone for cutting their losses early. I know most people would say that's not how you do dynasty, but I only believe he's a fool's gold 'buy low' this offseason.It's not really giving up, more like a reboot. I also took him at 1.02 last year but I'd be mighty tempted to take pick 13. Helps that it's an IDP league and that pick carries a lot more value in those, but even if I knew I wasn't drafting IDP I would still be tempted. We know more today than we knew on draft day last year. In terms of pure talent, I'd have Treadwell WR4 at best in this draft. That puts him, at best, at 1.08 on my rankings. Even if his 2016 season never happened and Treadwell were in this draft, knowing what we know about Minnesota today, I'd put that in the bottom 10 WR situations for him to go to. That's only going to drop him on the draft list. 2.01 sounds about right, and in an IDP league it's a very solid exit price.
PerrimanFFPC
Gave Brandon Marshall
Got Breshad Perriman
1.3FFPC this went down earlier this week:
Corey Coleman, Malcolm Mitchell, and 1.3
for
Julio Jones
Hopkins/Dez/Graham in a landslideThis is all from same FFPC league and all of these trades went down in last few hours involving different teams:
Team A gave: Watkins, Corey Coleman, 1.12
Team B gave: Hopkins, Dez, J Graham
Gross. People making these types of deals shouldn't be in more complex formats like this. Clearly still need to cut their teeth in a simpler 12 team league type setting.sterling shepard and devante parker for Julio jones. 32 team double copy dynasty, ppr
Probably Ajayi but close20 team PPR
Team A gets Jay Ajayi
Team B gets Sterling Shepard, Cordelle Patterson, pick 3.3
Ajayi by a long ways20 team PPR
Team A gets Jay Ajayi
Team B gets Sterling Shepard, Cordelle Patterson, pick 3.3
Ajayi20 team PPR
Team A gets Jay Ajayi
Team B gets Sterling Shepard, Cordelle Patterson, pick 3.3
I'd say the same, he was a great waiver wire find but I'd rather sell now if I can get a high rookie that will be in a better spot1.05 for me
Shepard and thanks for the free throw in's.20 team PPR
Team A gets Jay Ajayi
Team B gets Sterling Shepard, Cordelle Patterson, pick 3.3
no kidding, that one is not close to me.Would love to get that for Tyrell.
Mariota. Even if I had another QB I felt good about, I'd need more than CJ Anderson.12-Team PPR, Start 1 QB
Team A gives CJ Anderson, Jay Cutler, and Pick 2.11
Team B gives Marcus Mariotta
This one is a bit of a tough call for me and I see it as fairly even. I'm of the mindset that I think it's likely that Denver continues to use Anderson as their main RB and I'm not sure if I feel Mariotta will move past the good solid QB level. This probably comes down to varying opinions on those two guys.12-Team PPR, Start 1 QB
Team A gives CJ Anderson, Jay Cutler, and Pick 2.11
Team B gives Marcus Mariotta
Yeah. I'd likely move Mariota for some guys in the CJ Anderson ADP range, just not CJ. I'm also pretty high on Mariota. He's in the QB5-7 range for me.This one is a bit of a tough call for me and I see it as fairly even. I'm of the mindset that I think it's likely that Denver continues to use Anderson as their main RB and I'm not sure if I feel Mariotta will move past the good solid QB level. This probably comes down to varying opinions on those two guys.