Baeddel Moon
Footballguy
12 ppr 1/2/3/1/2 (flex)
Julio Jones for Mike Evans and Breshad Perriman.
Julio Jones for Mike Evans and Breshad Perriman.
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Andrew74
Footballguy
Better than the Julio trade posted on page 12 ( :X ) but I'd still take Julio here.
ghostguy123
Footballguy
Julio easy
Pwingles
Footballguy
Ya these last two Julio trades arent that great. If it were a cap/contract league or something like that, where there are other things at play aside from strictly owning the player, I would maybe think differently. But IMO, there are just a few guys who you are never going to get fair value for, and even if you could, you prolly shouldnt settle for "fair"
One More Rep
Footballguy
One More Rep
Footballguy
Warhogs
Footballguy
Tough one for me because I think Lewis and Diggs are both quality players. It might depend on what spot that pick is.
This went down this morning in FFPC league I'm in but I'm not involved in trade:
Team A gave:
Beckham
Cousins
Amendola
Team B gave:
David Johnson
Jarvis Landry
Carlos Hyde
2016 third, I think pick 9 or 10.
As it's FFPC this trade is basically the package Team B gave for Beckham since Cousins and Amendola are not likely keepers or bring much if anything back in a trade.
Team A gave:
Beckham
Cousins
Amendola
Team B gave:
David Johnson
Jarvis Landry
Carlos Hyde
2016 third, I think pick 9 or 10.
As it's FFPC this trade is basically the package Team B gave for Beckham since Cousins and Amendola are not likely keepers or bring much if anything back in a trade.
bostonfred
Footballguy
Give me the running backs, but I still make some inquiries to see if anyone wants Johnson and Landry for another stud wr.
One More Rep
Footballguy
I don't hate this one. I think Julio is probably worth more but I do think it is a good time to buy Evans and this deal is closer than current values suggest for me
Dragon1952
Footballguy
It's kind of immaterial whether or not Moncrief develops into a weekly startable option, even if he makes it to high WR2 status. The point is the Julio trader could have done much better as lots of guys out there would have gladly paid way more.....even the equivalent of a 1st thrown in, or more.
Allen, Moncrief and a 1st? Hell, I still wouldn't pull the trigger.
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beef
Footballguy
julio all day. it's a good time to sell high on evans as people still believe he's a stud in the making and overlook that he can't catch.
Baeddel Moon
Footballguy
That was my thinking as the former Evans owner. I have a massive glut of young bordering on elite guys (watkins, allen robinson, keenan allen, kelvin benjamin, le'veon bell) and Evans had the value to sell off and get an elite return. Was a nice surprise to find in my inbox one afternoon. Opens my window next year and it shouldn't close anytime soon.
Pwingles
Footballguy
I like either side really. I think I prefer Robinson to Cooper personally, but can see either side.
bostonfred
Footballguy
The difference between 1.10 and 2.2 could feel like a cliff soon. 1.10 should get a quality prospect. At 2.2 there's a good chance you'll be going from the second tier of receivers to the third, picking over the running backs who landed in bad spots, or taking a flyer on a qb.
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Zealots IDP/PPR league.
I already have the 1.01.
Gave 1.05 & Kwon Alexander
Got 1.02
I already have the 1.01.
Gave 1.05 & Kwon Alexander
Got 1.02
bostonfred
Footballguy
Who are you targeting?
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
I don't think it's much of a surprise to say I'm looking to get both Elliott and Treadwell.Someone might go to an awesome situation to change that but that's what I expect at this point.
I'm still pretty good at LB with Lavonte David, Telvin Smith, and Jordan Hicks.
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I think Lewis/Diggs and the pick. I would be pushing hard to try and flip Lewis and Diggs though
OBJ but I can see the return being pretty useful
Cooper
I like 1.05/Alexander but a solid effort to go get your 2 guys
Andy Dufresne
Footballguy
Interesting. I kind of thought I was giving up just a little more than a spare part in Kwon. 
Just for fun - I ended up with the 1.01 after last year's draft. I took Winston with an early 2nd and flipped him.
Just for fun - I ended up with the 1.01 after last year's draft. I took Winston with an early 2nd and flipped him.
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Probably is a spare part but I don't think Treadwell is an IDP starter better than a few of the other WR's...not even sure I would take him as the first WR although that certainly is not a conventional move right now.
I think it is early enough you made a move to get the 2 most valuable picks using a piece you can afford. You still hold that value difference and can use it how you want when the time comes
I think it is early enough you made a move to get the 2 most valuable picks using a piece you can afford. You still hold that value difference and can use it how you want when the time comes
To early to know yet but that's almost exactly how the 2013 draft looked. On paper anyway and how they were valued at the time, not so much how it turned out.bostonfred said:
That year was basically a consensus top 8. Bell, Ball, Lacy, Gio, Austin, Hopkins, Patterson and at least in leagues I play in which are TE premium Eifert. Those were first 8 picks in every single league I was in or viewed and after that you fell off the cliff. And by that I mean no consensus, maybe the player you picked at #9 in one league you could get in late second or even third in other leagues.
Reality is most of those top 8 stunk, though it's fair to say that except for Austin they all carried a high value at one point.
I've been thinking this year has a strong chance to be similar to that 2013 draft, but again to early to know yet.
...and I think the pick swaps/upgrades are insignificant when you are talking about players valued as 3+ 1sts.
Not sure I remember a draft that I felt 1.10 was that much better than 2.02 it made a difference when I get the "stud" I prefer.
This was my reasoning. I wanted to buy on production, not promise, and the drop of four slots from 1.10 to 2.02 was worth it to me.
That was the whole point of me mentioning the 2013 draft where pick 1.9 absolutely was a huge difference than pick 2.1 or 2.2.
steelers1080
Footballguy
League 1, Non-ppr, 1 QB, 4 pt passing TD, 6 pt rushing/receiving TD
Team A gives:
Carson Palmer
Jeremy Langford
2.07
Team B gives:
Aaron Rodgers
League 2, non-ppr
Team C gives:
Dez Bryant
Tevin Coleman
2.07
2.04
Team D (owns devonta freeman) gives:
Antonio Brown
Team A gives:
Carson Palmer
Jeremy Langford
2.07
Team B gives:
Aaron Rodgers
League 2, non-ppr
Team C gives:
Dez Bryant
Tevin Coleman
2.07
2.04
Team D (owns devonta freeman) gives:
Antonio Brown
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why do we still consider these small draft position adjustments as valuable? Especially pre-combine..
I gave an example why but now I just give up. You can all live in a your world where there is no difference in value between picks and I'll just live in mine.
Hankmoody
Footballguy
Because they will be. Pre-combine is irrelevant. Pick upgrades are about what they WILL be worth on draft day, and they always increase in value right up until OTC. It's a guaranteed ROI and one smart owners jump all over.
One More Rep
Footballguy
I know there are drastic value differences (especially on draft day!) but I'm questioning whether or not the should be based on outcomes
Sure but my point is the relative value in pick difference to the players being negligible.
If I am swapping Decker and Maclin it makes a massive difference in any draft year. Swapping ARob and Cooper not so much as long as I get the guy I prefer...
Here are a few deals that went down in some of my leagues the past week or so.
PPR Dynasty
Team A: Gave Ben Roethlisberger/Mike Evans/2016 pick 2.7
Team B: Gave Allen Robinson/2016 pick 3.2
Non PPR Classis Zealots Format
Team A: Gave Doug Martin
Team B Gave: Lamar Miller
PPR Dynasty Zealots
Team A Gave Percy Harvin
Team B Gave 2017 4th round pick
PPR Dynasty
Team A: Gave Ben Roethlisberger/Mike Evans/2016 pick 2.7
Team B: Gave Allen Robinson/2016 pick 3.2
Non PPR Classis Zealots Format
Team A: Gave Doug Martin
Team B Gave: Lamar Miller
PPR Dynasty Zealots
Team A Gave Percy Harvin
Team B Gave 2017 4th round pick
Papa John's
Footballguy
Pwingles
Footballguy
Evans side, i feel like evans and Robinson are almost a push, the addition of a better pick and Ben make me lean this way
Push, IMO, comes down to preference. I dont have one at this point. Maybe after FA stuff shakes out there will be a winner here
Pick side. Percy sucks.
steelers1080
Footballguy
I used to think that Evans and Robinson were similar, but after this past year it looks like Arob is definitely better for fantasy. Even on a team with lots of talent at WR he's still getting targets and points. While Evans struggles to get points if Vjax or ASJ is on the field.
Depends on where each player ends up, but right now I'd go with Miller.
Pick, Percy could retire.
One More Rep
Footballguy
Team B gives a premium future pick in a deep draft for Fitz/Hardy and change? I'll be team A please.
Doubledown1313
Footballguy
PPR dynasty
Demaryius Thomas and 2016 1.08
2018 1st round pick from the team that earned the 2016 1.01
Demaryius Thomas and 2016 1.08
2018 1st round pick from the team that earned the 2016 1.01
Milkman
Footballguy
I'll take team B. Hardy has some nice upside in that offense. Hardy + 1.11 for an early 1st is pretty even imo. A Second for Fitz is good value. The extra 2nd and 3rd gives the edge to Team B. I'm higher on Hardy than most though.
Cold Dead Hands
Footballguy
What the what?
TheBottomLine
Footballguy
Nothing life changing but....
Tavon Austin
for
Jamison Crowder
Also this one:
Golden Tate + 2016 7th Rounder
for
Stefon Diggs + 2016 5th Rounder + 2017 2nd Rounder
Both are PPR
Tavon Austin
for
Jamison Crowder
Also this one:
Golden Tate + 2016 7th Rounder
for
Stefon Diggs + 2016 5th Rounder + 2017 2nd Rounder
Both are PPR
bostonfred
Footballguy
Austin but I do like crowder
Tate and I don't even like tate
Tate and I don't even like tate
