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12 team Superflex:
Lamar Jackson
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1.01 and 1.02
Turned into Burrow and Helaire
Lamar Jackson
for
1.01 and 1.02
Turned into Burrow and Helaire
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I like both moves for you. With Thielen/Williams I think you're missing on some production but to get a few years younger going Thielen -> Robinson is nice. Mike Williams isn't worth much in FFPC.made 2 trades in FFPC recently
gave adam thielen, mike williams, and a 5th for allen robinson and ryquell armstead
gave henry ruggs for melvin gordon
Give me the two picks. I mean, worst case scenario, you turn Lamar into Burrow and Tua.12 team Superflex:
Lamar Jackson
for
1.01 and 1.02
Turned into Burrow and Helaire
Jackson for me. Id take him over Burrow and three Tua's.Give me the two picks. I mean, worst case scenario, you turn Lamar into Burrow and Tua.
I can dig that. Would be an interesting thing to revisit in two years. It could be overwhelmingly in favor of the Burrow and Tua side, even if neither are quite the fantasy powerhouse Lamar is individually.Vandelay said:Jackson for me. Id take him over Burrow and three Tua's.
Akers and Ridley for me. I'm a believer in Akers.FFPC. Just had this accepted almost immediately, which is always disconcerting.
Gave: Cam Akers, Calvin Ridley
Got: Devin Singletary, Diontae Johnson, Justin Jefferson
Would love to hear some thoughts on this. Its a pretty balanced league, super active, and I have one of the top couple of rosters on paper.
I like your side.FFPC. Just had this accepted almost immediately, which is always disconcerting.
Gave: Cam Akers, Calvin Ridley
Got: Devin Singletary, Diontae Johnson, Justin Jefferson
Would love to hear some thoughts on this. Its a pretty balanced league, super active, and I have one of the top couple of rosters on paper.
You killed that trade. Nice work. Singletary and Diontae will be in everybody's top 12 this time next year.FFPC. Just had this accepted almost immediately, which is always disconcerting.
Gave: Cam Akers, Calvin Ridley
Got: Devin Singletary, Diontae Johnson, Justin Jefferson
Would love to hear some thoughts on this. Its a pretty balanced league, super active, and I have one of the top couple of rosters on paper.
I think it's about a dead heat, really. I'm not sold on Singletary, less so on Akers. You won by sheer volume?FFPC. Just had this accepted almost immediately, which is always disconcerting.
Gave: Cam Akers, Calvin Ridley
Got: Devin Singletary, Diontae Johnson, Justin Jefferson
Would love to hear some thoughts on this. Its a pretty balanced league, super active, and I have one of the top couple of rosters on paper.
Thanks, this makes me feel a lot better.IMO people are way too high on Johnson. I think it was the FBG Dynasty Show this week that was talking about that, or UTH. I'm pretty sure it was Chad Parsons regardless, but IMO Johnson is very overrated. Jefferson I like but he's an unknown. IMO Ridley is about worth Jefferson + Johnson, but I'd take Ridley there; I don't think either of those 2 get to Ridleys status combined. Then it's Akers vs Singletary... That one is easy, give me Akers, and I'm not big on Akers. A lot more risk in your side, but if you believe in those three then I can see why you'd offer
I'd snap accept too. A stud WR and Cam Akers for 3 okay guys. Ouch man, you didn't think that one throughFFPC. Just had this accepted almost immediately, which is always disconcerting.
Gave: Cam Akers, Calvin Ridley
Got: Devin Singletary, Diontae Johnson, Justin Jefferson
Would love to hear some thoughts on this. Its a pretty balanced league, super active, and I have one of the top couple of rosters on paper.
Roto Underworld is not nearly so kind as that. Has him losing by 80 points. I'm not sure I agree with that at all. That's staggering. Then again, values get revised all the time and the whole point is to beat the market, not let the market dictate what is to be done.DLF trade analyzer has you over paying by the value of 1.12
Yeah, I agree. But there's two things: One is imperfect information in valuation. Stock prices are reflective of the concept of perfect knowledge. That is, everybody but the insiders know everything about the stock its value in the market is reflected by the price. But players aren't like that. They're subjective valuations, and their value to the owner is unknown in negotiation.Yeah but you shouldn't over pay for a player you don't have to. Why buy a $10 stock at $50 when you don't need to... It increases your risk and gives you more to lose. Values aren't going anywhere as long as there's no minicamp news
Sure. Adding those picks is huge. Depends if that's a hang up in negotiations, though, and if the deal falls through as a result, were you willing to sacrifice the deal for the picks? Then it becomes a matter for personal decision-making to come into play.Yeah, I get it. Bottom line is you get the guys you believe in and don't worry about it. I just feel like adding those 2nds and 3rds when you're over paying gives you ammo to throw them in on a trade you're slightly under paying for to help out. This was a missed opportunity, not to mention likely made his starting lineup worse, but maybe he's really deep and it doesn't matter. In these cases I take the best player in the deal, which is Ridley. Akers is probably 2nd best player, which makes this a loss. He likes the 3 he got I bet, and that's all that matters. The fact that he posted it makes me think he knows he overpaid, and now he knows by how much. Likely doesn't matter to him in the end because he got his guys anyways. Best of luck to him on his season. I truly mean that even though he offers nothing to me but snark in return
Nice edit.Yeah, I get it. Bottom line is you get the guys you believe in and don't worry about it. I just feel like adding those 2nds and 3rds when you're over paying gives you ammo to throw them in on a trade you're slightly under paying for to help out. This was a missed opportunity, not to mention likely made his starting lineup worse, but maybe he's really deep and it doesn't matter. In these cases I take the best player in the deal, which is Ridley. Akers is probably 2nd best player, which makes this a loss. He likes the 3 he got I bet, and that's all that matters. The fact that he posted it makes me think he knows he overpaid, and now he knows by how much. Likely doesn't matter to him in the end because he got his guys anyways. Best of luck to him on his season. I truly mean that even though he offers nothing to me but snark in return people like him don't bother me, especially when they try as much as he does... Good luck Vandy, hope this one works out for you!
Allen side by a decent amount, though who is throwing to him next year?12tm PPR
Kenny Golladay
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Keenan Allen, 21 1st (mid, some early potential)
Moss is decidedly not faster. In fact, he's slower than slow. He's bigger, granted. Only time is gonna tell on this deal.I don't want to live in a world where people think Devin Singletary is better than Cam Akers. Singletary is so good that they decided to draft a bigger, stronger, faster version of him.
20 lbs heavier and ran a fraction of a second faster 40. That is a superior athlete.Moss is decidedly not faster. In fact, he's slower than slow. He's bigger, granted. Only time is gonna tell on this deal.
Didn't Singletary run a 4.66? Moss ran a 4.7. You can say his speed score is better, but not his forty time.20 lbs heavier and ran a fraction of a second faster 40. That is a superior athlete.
I can't explain why but I have a weird sort of blind spot with Ridley where all I can see with him is that he isn't Julio, who I own in a lot of spots so I don't own Ridley. I also feel like I completely missed the boat on whatever the Diontae Johnson hype is about. I like Akers maybe a small margin over Singletary. But. I love Jefferson so I probably take that side all day. But perhaps similarly to your trade partner, I'd be wanting to flip DJ and Singletary, though Singletary is probably worth keeping in your RB stable. I feel like the DJ hype is out of control right now and you could really profit.FFPC. Just had this accepted almost immediately, which is always disconcerting.
Gave: Cam Akers, Calvin Ridley
Got: Devin Singletary, Diontae Johnson, Justin Jefferson
Would love to hear some thoughts on this. Its a pretty balanced league, super active, and I have one of the top couple of rosters on paper.
Close one. The value right now is on the Kamara side. The other side could be worth infinite more this time next year. It comes down to how much you like to gamble.12tm 2QB PPR
Alvin Kamara, Davante Adams, Noah Fant, 4.05, 4.08, 21 4th
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Cam Akers, JK Dobbins, AJ Green, Tyler Lockett, Evan Engram, 21 2nd, 21 3rd (both mid-ish)
Allen side given the possibility of a mid-early 1st. Keen should be good for another 3-4 years min.12tm PPR
Kenny Golladay
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Keenan Allen, 21 1st (mid, some early potential)
www.google.com has a 4.65. It's splitting hairs either way. They drafted another RB and that's not a positive sign. I own Diontae in almost every league, and I think Jefferson is gonna be solid. I still think the Akers and Ridley side is a landslide win. You could swap out Moss with Vaughn or Dillon, who I prefer over Moss, and I would still favor The Akers/Ridley side.Didn't Singletary run a 4.66? Moss ran a 4.7. You can say his speed score is better, but not his forty time.
Sure. I can see that. And you're right about the time. Moss ran a 4.65. I thought it was a 4.7. Maybe I was thinking of Quintez Cephus's really slow time (I think a bit above 4.7) and got the two confused because my first reaction from even highlights is that Moss isn't really explosive at all.www.google.com has a 4.65. It's splitting hairs either way. They drafted another RB and that's not a positive sign. I own Diontae in almost every league, and I think Jefferson is gonna be solid. I still think the Akers and Ridley side is a landslide win. You could swap out Moss with Vaughn or Dillon, who I prefer over Moss, and I would still favor The Akers/Ridley side.
Good stuff. Jefferson was my prime target on this, but I like DJ (though I feel this board is a tad nutso for him). This trade could easily go either way, but the only way i'll really kick myself over it is if Akers becomes a 250ish+ ppr point rb. I don't *quite* see that happening.I can't explain why but I have a weird sort of blind spot with Ridley where all I can see with him is that he isn't Julio, who I own in a lot of spots so I don't own Ridley. I also feel like I completely missed the boat on whatever the Diontae Johnson hype is about. I like Akers maybe a small margin over Singletary. But. I love Jefferson so I probably take that side all day. But perhaps similarly to your trade partner, I'd be wanting to flip DJ and Singletary, though Singletary is probably worth keeping in your RB stable. I feel like the DJ hype is out of control right now and you could really profit.
I see it like:Good stuff. Jefferson was my prime target on this, but also I've DJ (though I feel this board is a tad nutso for him). This trade could eazily go either wY, but the only way ill really kick myself over it is if Akers becomes a 250ish+ ppr point rb. I don't *quite* see that happening.
Exactly this and felt like Singletary is a nice average of whatever Akers becomes.I see it like:
Akers>Singletary
DJ~=Ridley
Jefferson>>>>>>>whatever gap exists after the first two pieces
Depends who went 1.01 for me. I'd take DJ over Jon Taylor in a vacuum but not CHE.Traded 1.02 for DJ Moore.
I don't love Moss or Singletary trust me. I've sadly ended up with a couple Moss shares by default.Sure. I can see that. And you're right about the time. Moss ran a 4.65. I thought it was a 4.7. Maybe I was thinking of Quintez Cephus's really slow time (I think a bit above 4.7) and got the two confused because my first reaction from even highlights is that Moss isn't really explosive at all.
I gathered that. The real debate that I was contending was that Moss wasn't the superior athlete, but at least in terms of testing, he is. So that's me being wrong, actually.I don't love Moss or Singletary trust me. I've sadly ended up with a couple Moss shares by default.
I was really just knocking Singletary to say that Akers and Ridley were the two best players in the trade. I don't care for him or Moss, so trust me i'm not going down the "win an argument" road with either of these guys haha.I gathered that. The real debate that I was contending was that Moss wasn't the superior athlete, but at least in terms of testing, he is. So that's me being wrong, actually.
Singletary tested poorly so I wasn't a fan until I saw him play. The guy just has it. It's his vision and instincts. They are (imo) elite.I gathered that. The real debate that I was contending was that Moss wasn't the superior athlete, but at least in terms of testing, he is. So that's me being wrong, actually.
Yeah, I also gathered that. You like Akers and Ridley as the two best guys in the trade, a very fair position to hold. I'm just admitting that in a side argument, you were right. I try to own it when wrong. It also instructs me that memory is at times faulty, and it's best to have dialogue rather than argue, which I used to do. It's a self-improvement thing, you know? Source your material. Get your facts right. Admit when your perception or grasp of the facts is off. All that stuff we all strive to do.I was really just knocking Singletary to say that Akers and Ridley were the two best players in the trade. I don't care for him or Moss, so trust me i'm not going down the "win an argument" road with either of these guys haha.
While you can try to beat the market, it’s important to judge a trade the moment it passes. The moment your trade went through, you got spanked. Then three lucky outcomes occurred in your favour (Breida & Mostert’s situation improves and Guice situation gets worse) and IMO you’re still losing. Sure, try to beat the market but the initial trade has to be somewhat balancedTo wit: I traded Julio Jones and Derrius Guice for Matt Breida, Raheem Mostert, D.J. Chark and the 2.04 months ago. It had me losing big time.
Now, I'm considered the winner of that according to them. It's all about beating the market.
To be fair, If Guice does anything around RB2 I lose that trade, but I was really banking on him not giving much value and Breida's situation settling down, which it has for the moment.
I totally disagree with your characterization of it. RotoUnderground had it as even at the time. The other calcs didn't and I trusted Roto. They have Chark and Jones rated radically different for dynasty compared to most others, and I tend to agree with them.While you can try to beat the market, it’s important to judge a trade the moment it passes. The moment your trade went through, you got spanked. Then three lucky outcomes occurred in your favour (Breida & Mostert’s situation improves and Guice situation gets worse) and IMO you’re still losing. Sure, try to beat the market but the initial trade has to be somewhat balanced
Agreed, Clyde Helaire-Edwards is the more valuable asset there.Depends who went 1.01 for me. I'd take DJ over Jon Taylor in a vacuum but not CHE.
I would rather have Taylor or CEH over Moore in dynasty leagues, especially if you have to start at least 2 RBs.Depends who went 1.01 for me. I'd take DJ over Jon Taylor in a vacuum but not CHE.
If the college b.o.a. thing is real, it should also apply to the NFL. DJ Moore had almost 1200 yards at age 22, that's pretty rare company. As much as I might like CEH or JT, they are still just rookie picks 32 and 45 which provides a lot less assurance than actual NFL performance.I would rather have Taylor or CEH over Moore in dynasty leagues, especially if you have to start at least 2 RBs.
I think one thing going against Moore long term is the uncertainty at QB (call me not convinced on Bridgewater) and I don't think they will be a very good team in the near future. I can see Moore getting lots of double teaming.I'm really surprised people on here would take the pick over a young established player, one possibly/likely a stud. Basically giving 1 bird in the bush for 1 one in the hand, when I should have had to give 2. Honestly I would have gave a second late first to get DJM, but luckily didn't have to.