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Those two awful “trades” that were  posted smack of someone posting offers they’ve made hoping for positive feedback to show a trade partner, or something. 
 
The one with Lamar and Kelce  wouldn’t even be enough for either of those guys individually. 

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On ‎8‎/‎12‎/‎2020 at 1:27 AM, Jonesin For Some Football said:

Totally agreed.  He has been undervalued for years but it is even worse now.  They will lean on him and Kupp can't stay healthy.  That offense should still put up stats and he can ball.

Is he still undervalued if he's in pretty much every undervalued article and mentioned as undervalued (along with Marvin Jones) by every analyst on Twitter? Don't get me wrong, I like Woods fine but there's a reason people won't pay much for him - he's a 28 year old WR who will be a depreciating asset in a year. 

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13 minutes ago, ConnSKINS26 said:

Those two awful “trades” that were  posted smack of someone posting offers they’ve made hoping for positive feedback to show a trade partner, or something. 
 
The one with Lamar and Kelce  wouldn’t even be enough for either of those guys individually. 

Seriously?  Paranoia is strong with this one.

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16 minutes ago, ConnSKINS26 said:

Those two awful “trades” that were  posted smack of someone posting offers they’ve made hoping for positive feedback to show a trade partner, or something. 
 
The one with Lamar and Kelce  wouldn’t even be enough for either of those guys individually. 

Here is the sum of the 3 trades:

 

He Gave: Lamar Jackson, Julio, Kelce, Aiyuk, Meyers, 2021 1st (Jeudy trade), 2021 1st (Kittle trade)

He Got: Garoppolo, Ingram, Landry, Jeudy, Kittle,  3.08, 4.08

 

According to dynasty trade analyzer, he lost by the value of 1.02!

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39 minutes ago, Jrodicus said:

Seriously?  Paranoia is strong with this one.


Hey man, if those are actual trades you made, then I hope you were on what I clearly think was the good side. If not, I apologize for being so flippant, and good luck

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On 8/8/2020 at 7:47 PM, Babooya said:

Part of the reason you can do what you want is that your league isn’t competitive. So who cares.  Trade him or don’t. Your team is stronger than a 4 teamer 

For the life of me I'll never understand how some people act shocked when they see a loaded dynasty team.  This isn't redraft where it doesn't make sense that 4 1st rounders could end up on the same team.  This is dynasty where teams have years worth of player additions and eventually people will hit a hot streak of great trades/picks.  Almost every dynasty league I've been in has at least at some point in its history had a team that was unbelievably loaded and that includes leagues with 4-figure buy-ins.

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33 minutes ago, Johnny B. Goode said:

I would have stopped you from trading Lamar Jackson and Travis Kelce for trash. Best of luck This year, you’ll need it 

Maybe.  It’s always nice to be lucky.  And yeah, Lamar and Kelce wasn’t the best moves I’ve ever made, and RBs and 1sts are ridiculously overpriced in this league.

The sum of the trades:

Lamar, Kelce, Jeundy, Antonio Gibson, Jeundy, 3.08, 4.08, Jakobi Meyers

For

Julio, Kittle, Landry, Ingram, 2021 early 1st (top 3) Garoppolo

Kelce to Kittle is negligible.  Watson is now my staring QB, so a step down for sure, but I’ll make up the points with Julio, Landry, and Ingram (he’s still got another year or two, imo).

Watson, Garoppolo,

Sanders, Ingram, Mack, Cohen, Vaughn, Coleman, Penny (yeah, my RBs are weak)

Evans, Julio, Landry, T. Y., Gallup, Ruggs, Pittman, Corey Davis, Curtis Samuel, Anthony Miller

Kittle, Henry

We’ll see.  🤷‍♂️ 

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32 minutes ago, Johnny B. Goode said:

Here is the sum of the 3 trades:

 

He Gave: Lamar Jackson, Julio, Kelce, Aiyuk, Meyers, 2021 1st (Jeudy trade), 2021 1st (Kittle trade)

He Got: Garoppolo, Ingram, Landry, Jeudy, Kittle,  3.08, 4.08

 

According to dynasty trade analyzer, he lost by the value of 1.02!

I netted Julio and a 1st; if you’re going to take jabs at least make sure you’re aim is true. 

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On 8/11/2020 at 4:27 AM, Cobbler1 said:

I thought he was going in the late 2nd prior to the release of the “bum”. Maybe I have that wrong. Anyways the point is for most people who drafted him, he is a second rounder. Why trade someone you took in the second for another random second. Seems lateral at best to me. You didn’t get him in a rookie draft so good for you. But that’s unlikely to be the case for most people. 

 

I find it hard to believe they used an early 3rd on a situational player but as you say it is the Redskins so I guess we can’t rule it out. I’m glad you’re acknowledging that the backfield is devoid of talent. If we disagree on the player that’s fine but the talent level of his backfield competition I don’t think is debatable. And the Redskins being awful could be a good thing in the short term for a guy whose skillset includes elite receiving ability.

The Steelers used a 3rd round pick on Dri Archer when they had Le'Veon Bell, and they're a much more competent organization than Washington.

Teams absolutely use 3rd round picks on situation players plenty often.  Heck teams use 1st round picks on nickelbacks and pass rushing specialists.

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30 minutes ago, DropKick said:

Kelce for AJ Brown, CeeDee Lamb

Team giving up Kelce has Henry, Goedert

Great deal for Kelce owner. Would do for AJB alone. Would do for Lamb plus a little more.

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On 8/11/2020 at 6:56 AM, Cobbler1 said:

This has to be Lamar Miller right?

That's actually what I thought. No way that could be Jackson. If so, well, the other comments are a bit brusque, but I'll side with them. 

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13 minutes ago, Shrugs said:

Great deal for Kelce owner. Would do for AJB alone. Would do for Lamb plus a little more.

Yeah, I like that deal for the Kelce owner

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7 hours ago, FreeBaGeL said:

The Steelers used a 3rd round pick on Dri Archer when they had Le'Veon Bell, and they're a much more competent organization than Washington.

Teams absolutely use 3rd round picks on situation players plenty often.  Heck teams use 1st round picks on nickelbacks and pass rushing specialists.

That’s fair I suppose and I appreciate the point. I don’t see the correlation to nickelbacks and pass rushing specialists though. I suspect the Steelers also had quite a bit fewer needs than the Redskins did/do. And Archer went 31 picks later than Gibson did. Archer was also almost 60 (sixty!) pounds lighter than Gibson. It was fairly obvious he was destined to be a situational player. 

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5 minutes ago, hispeedthinmint said:

Dynasty PPR:

Team A Gives Fournette & Nuk

Team B Gives CMC & Tyrod Taylor (Taylor was then dropped after deal was complete)

Wow he went for it... congrats 

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4 hours ago, Cobbler1 said:

That’s fair I suppose and I appreciate the point. I don’t see the correlation to nickelbacks and pass rushing specialists though. I suspect the Steelers also had quite a bit fewer needs than the Redskins did/do. And Archer went 31 picks later than Gibson did. Archer was also almost 60 (sixty!) pounds lighter than Gibson. It was fairly obvious he was destined to be a situational player. 

The correlation of nickelbacks and pass rushing specialists is the point you made that I was responding to was "I find it hard to believe a team would use a 3rd round pick on a situational player".  Teams are willing to spend far more valuable picks than a 3rd on situational players, and spend 3rd rounders on situational players all the time.  Like you mentioned Dri Archer was clearly a situational player.  If we want to stick to RBs this year the Titans drafted Darrynton Evans in the 3rd round and he's clearly a situational guy brought in to replace Dion Lewis as the pass catching guy.  Duke Johnson was drafted in the 3rd as a situational player as well, and the Browns had plenty of holes.

Maybe Gibson will be more but bottom line is him being drafted in the 3rd round in no way discards the idea that they might have drafted him to fill a situational role.  Spending a 3rd round pick on situational players is downright common.

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3 hours ago, hispeedthinmint said:

Dynasty PPR:

Team A Gives Fournette & Nuk

Team B Gives CMC & Tyrod Taylor (Taylor was then dropped after deal was complete)

CMC for sure.

I actually was motivated by your discussion of CMC in thet other thread and offered Aaron Jones/Nuk for CMC in one of my leagues and was told it wasn't close.

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I don't get that deal, actually. It seems competency would prevent one from countering with that. I get the general point that player valuations differ greatly, but this is the consensus and by far #1 asset in all of FF. To deal for a guy on the last year of his deal and a twenty-seven year old is nothing short of astounding. 

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In that vein, I just sent out an Elliott for Barkley straight up deal. It's not totally unfeasible, and maybe his counter (if there is one) will let me know what I need to do.

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Just now, hispeedthinmint said:

He came at me with the Fournette+Nuk deal. Who am I to say no? lol

That team came in 3rd last year & I was 2nd.

Oh yeah, I gathered that you were the one hitting accept. I'm stunned. Good pull. 

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58 minutes ago, FreeBaGeL said:

The correlation of nickelbacks and pass rushing specialists is the point you made that I was responding to was "I find it hard to believe a team would use a 3rd round pick on a situational player".  Teams are willing to spend far more valuable picks than a 3rd on situational players, and spend 3rd rounders on situational players all the time.  Like you mentioned Dri Archer was clearly a situational player.  If we want to stick to RBs this year the Titans drafted Darrynton Evans in the 3rd round and he's clearly a situational guy brought in to replace Dion Lewis as the pass catching guy.  Duke Johnson was drafted in the 3rd as a situational player as well, and the Browns had plenty of holes.

Maybe Gibson will be more but bottom line is him being drafted in the 3rd round in no way discards the idea that they might have drafted him to fill a situational role.  Spending a 3rd round pick on situational players is downright common.

I understand why you brought up nickelbacks/edge rushers, I just disagree that they are a valid comparison to RBs. NFL teams are in nickel or greater more than half the time these days. That’s not a situational player. More than 1 edge rusher is played at a time far more than 1 Rb or more is and they’re paid/worth far more. 
 

Duke Johnson was the All time leading rusher at Miami and weighed 207 at the combine. He wasn’t locked in to being a passing down guy. He just wasn’t good enough to take that job. Evans went almost 30 picks after Gibson but you are right he appears to be destined for a passing down/COP role. I do concede the point as more and more these passing down backs are going earlier. Seems like the late 3rd/early 4th is where they’ve been grabbed recently- Evans, Cohen, Hines are who I’m thinking of specifically. Maybe I’m missing others who went earlier. They don’t usually look like Gibson at 230 though and that’s why I’d be inclined to think he with selected with at least the hope he could be more but I do agree that as a concept maybe we can’t purely use 3rd draft capital to always dismiss a long term situational role for a Rb.

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FFPC Superflex not involved

Team A gave Chubb

Team B gave Adams, 2021 1st and 3rd (I'd guess these are mid to late)

 

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15 minutes ago, hispeedthinmint said:

I say too much for Chubb

Way too much. He'll be in a walk year next year. Rookie running backs coming into plum situations is the way to go, even for dynasty. They're just not signing 25 or 26 year-old guys to anything more than two years, two years that will likely see FF point totals going down.

Firsts are so valuable, even this year's. 

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14 hours ago, FreeBaGeL said:

For the life of me I'll never understand how some people act shocked when they see a loaded dynasty team.  This isn't redraft where it doesn't make sense that 4 1st rounders could end up on the same team.  This is dynasty where teams have years worth of player additions and eventually people will hit a hot streak of great trades/picks.  Almost every dynasty league I've been in has at least at some point in its history had a team that was unbelievably loaded and that includes leagues with 4-figure buy-ins.

:) Fair enough point

 

there is some value in a philosophical question of at what point is there too much depreciating bench value to warrant dumping for future year draft picks. 
 

with that said if you are in the position of having a full roster of all the best players, you should probably be trying to win for the next half decade or so. And we all know how messy FFE seasons can be. May have to dig deep and play your WR8 AR15 at some point, so don’t want to get too thin

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9 minutes ago, Babooya said:

:) Fair enough point

 

there is some value in a philosophical question of at what point is there too much depreciating bench value to warrant dumping for future year draft picks. 
 

with that said if you are in the position of having a full roster of all the best players, you should probably be trying to win for the next half decade or so. And we all know how messy FFE seasons can be. May have to dig deep and play your WR8 AR15 at some point, so don’t want to get too thin

It's a tricky balance.  One of the more difficult things in FF that goes underrated is keeping these super teams super.  So many of them fade off so quickly.  It's a tough balancing act between trading away all of your depth/prospects to upgrade your starting lineup to be even better vs. keeping some for the inveitable fade that comes into your starting lineup.

I remember just 2 short years ago looking at a team in one of my high roller FFPC leagues where teams were wondering if they would just be donating money for the next few years because the team was unbeatable.  I don't remember the whole team but I remember the core was Le'Veon, Gurley, Gronk (TE prem), Julio, AJG, Demaryius. 

That team picked 1.01 this year.

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4 minutes ago, FreeBaGeL said:

It's a tricky balance.  One of the more difficult things in FF that goes underrated is keeping these super teams super.  So many of them fade off so quickly.  It's a tough balancing act between trading away all of your depth/prospects to upgrade your starting lineup to be even better vs. keeping some for the inveitable fade that comes into your starting lineup.

I remember just 2 short years ago looking at a team in one of my high roller FFPC leagues where teams were wondering if they would just be donating money for the next few years because the team was unbeatable.  I don't remember the whole team but I remember the core was Le'Veon, Gurley, Gronk (TE prem), Julio, AJG, Demaryius. 

That team picked 1.01 this year.

In looking at our league, I can see how easily even one or two bad decisions with even singular players can cause this, never mind injuries and age/performance concerns. It's staggeringly hard to do this, actually. 

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3 minutes ago, FreeBaGeL said:

It's a tricky balance.  One of the more difficult things in FF that goes underrated is keeping these super teams super.  So many of them fade off so quickly.  It's a tough balancing act between trading away all of your depth/prospects to upgrade your starting lineup to be even better vs. keeping some for the inveitable fade that comes into your starting lineup.

I remember just 2 short years ago looking at a team in one of my high roller FFPC leagues where teams were wondering if they would just be donating money for the next few years because the team was unbeatable.  I don't remember the whole team but I remember the core was Le'Veon, Gurley, Gronk (TE prem), Julio, AJG, Demaryius. 

That team picked 1.01 this year.

Will be much more competitive this year 

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Depends on your competition too.  I have a team with Dak, CMC, Zeke, Chubb, Julio, AJB, AJG, Chark, Boyd, Diontae, Reagor, Bryan Edwards, Engram. Not quite the embarrassment of riches that prompted this discussion but a team that I would like to just coast to some titles. Use my draft picks to try and keep the pipeline going. It’s a contract league, players kept 5 or 6 years if you play it right so not a true dynasty. But there’s a team with Henry, CEH, Jacobs, Nuk, DJM, Diggs, Thielen, Andrews that’s right there with me. So I’m looking into trading a chunk of my next 2 drafts along with Dak to get Mahomes (3 yrs) and Kittle (1 year) to try and be head and shoulders better than that other team. I agree the balance is tough. Get too cute to try and stay super for forever and you could miss your window to win some ships.

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43 minutes ago, hispeedthinmint said:

This is definitely the year to have depth. I am ok with them being on my bench right now. If anything, I wish I had better RB (If injury or CV hit my guys) or TE depth. Unless Herndon or Gesicki hit, of course.

That's why you should just keep Henry and Cook and continue to dominate. That said I would likely be targeting Lamar or Mahomes with the assets you have. Watson is nice but that team is falling apart and even if not I'd still want Mahomes or Jackson.

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5 hours ago, hispeedthinmint said:

Any idea on what I would have to add to Watson to get Mahomes? Mahomes owner won the league last year

Cook or Henry?

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9 hours ago, hispeedthinmint said:

Any idea on what I would have to add to Watson to get Mahomes? Mahomes owner won the league last year

 

3 hours ago, DropKick said:

Cook or Henry?

This is absolutely where I would be fishing with AR15 or Golladay. I only own Mahomes in one single QB league, and in one SF league. He is basically untouchable for me and neither of those names would do it for me, if added to Watson. So that is useless advice if *I* were your trade partner, but who knows? 

ETA I would move Cook but not Henry. I'm infatuated with Henry and you're asking the wrong person as far as he is concerned. I think there is a 50/50 chance he crushes into his early 30s. 

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1 hour ago, BearsFan4Life said:

14 Team Standard Scoring

1.01

for 

1.03, Hunt

Playin' for next year, obvy. Hunt's a UFA after this year. Edwards-Helaire and Taylor are consensus top two, but Dobbins might be the best of them, only waiting on Ingram to move along after his deal is up this year.

I like this deal for the 1.01 guy and would have done in it in a heartbeat in my draft, but word out of KC and CEH running first team already has to give one pause. 

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Another one ... 14 team Standard Scoring .

Team A Gave: Watson

Team B Gave: Brees and 1.05

Team A has Mahomes and Cam as other QB

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FFPC Superflex

I gave Antonio Brown, 2021 2nd

I got Jalen Hurts, Gabriel Davis

One of my looser trades in a while. I have room and am very thin at QB. I have tried unsuccessfully to obtain other QBs that owners were shopping. They are just so darned expensive in SF. I like Hurts upside. Might be able to flip him, too, so he could certainly appreciate. I have Mahomes, Foles and now Hurts. Thin.

Davis, eh, IDK I like him as a sleeper in Buffalo. He'll make my week 1 roster and I'll get to see what he can do.

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14 hours ago, BearsFan4Life said:

Another one ... 14 team Standard Scoring .

Team A Gave: Watson

Team B Gave: Brees and 1.05

Team A has Mahomes and Cam as other QB

I don't understand the thought process of Team A getting Brees in the deal if they already have Mahomes and Cam on their roster. Insurance in case Newton isn't the starter in NE? Team B was up against the roster max and had to ship out a player if he added one?

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5 hours ago, northern exposure said:

I don't understand the thought process of Team A getting Brees in the deal if they already have Mahomes and Cam on their roster. Insurance in case Newton isn't the starter in NE? Team B was up against the roster max and had to ship out a player if he added one?

Why not? Getting the #5 for Watson was fair, Brees is gravy.

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Team B only had Brees and Stidham before the deal so no brainer for him as they had same bye week.

Team A who finished 2nd last year got the insurance in Brees and also has picks 1, 5, 7, and 13 in the first round. To go with a lineup of CMC, Henry, Nuk, Godwin, Kelce. Could potentially add 2 rb and 1 wr or take Burrow since Brees and Cam on close to the end. Could bundle for another stud as well.

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12 Team 2 QB TE Premium

Team A Gives:

Dalvin Cook, Gronk, 3.08

Team B Gives:

1.12, 2021 1st (early), 2021 1st (late), Dionte Johnson

Team A is middle of the pack but probably isn't competing. Team B was middle of the pack before trade. 

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23 hours ago, BearsFan4Life said:

Team B only had Brees and Stidham before the deal so no brainer for him as they had same bye week.

Team A who finished 2nd last year got the insurance in Brees and also has picks 1, 5, 7, and 13 in the first round. To go with a lineup of CMC, Henry, Nuk, Godwin, Kelce. Could potentially add 2 rb and 1 wr or take Burrow since Brees and Cam on close to the end. Could bundle for another stud as well.

I bet I can guess who team a is

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11 hours ago, NDyse10 said:

12 Team 2 QB TE Premium

Team A Gives:

Dalvin Cook, Gronk, 3.08

Team B Gives:

1.12, 2021 1st (early), 2021 1st (late), Dionte Johnson

Team A is middle of the pack but probably isn't competing. Team B was middle of the pack before trade. 

Good value for Cook. 

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49 minutes ago, Winning IS Everything said:

10 team No PPR.

Team A Trades: Nuk Hopkins

Team B Trades: 2020 1.1 rookie pick

Seems light for Hopkins.

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2 minutes ago, LittlePhatty said:

12 team .5 PPR

Team A gives: Courtland Sutton and a 2021 3rd

Team B gives: DJ Chark and a 2021 1st

Chark side for me

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12 minutes ago, hispeedthinmint said:

This just happened in PPR. Light for the 1.03 IMO.

Team A sends 2020 1.03 pick & 2020 3.02 pick

Team B Sends James Conner, 2020 2.12 pick & 2020 4.12 pick

Yeah pretty light. 

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3 minutes ago, hispeedthinmint said:

Andrews is worth a 1st? Early or late?

Seriously? I would expect absolutely nothing less.

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17 minutes ago, hispeedthinmint said:

Andrews is worth a 1st? Early or late?

Hard to tell, start up just happened. But I just gave the guy Andrews, so more likely late :shrug:

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1 hour ago, hispeedthinmint said:

This just happened in PPR. Light for the 1.03 IMO.

Team A sends 2020 1.03 pick & 2020 3.02 pick

Team B Sends James Conner, 2020 2.12 pick & 2020 4.12 pick

yeah that's brutal

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