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2 minutes ago, CabinFever said:

Who won this one, PPR dynasty 

Team A gets: Treadwell

Team B gets: M. Booker & Doug Martin 

Treadwell for a retired Marty Booker a d an injured Doug Martin... put me on the Treadwell side.

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2 hours ago, Dez said:

Parker......sucking....Ajayi awful...where is the guy who said Ajayi would been the 2nd best back in this draft ?  

I am 1-4 and the guy I traded with is 4-1 right now.

Guess this trade wasn't so awful was it ?  

Sometimes people over value "current value" (I am one of them).  So the trades I make look "good" at the time but more often than not I have been on the wrong side of the trade a year later.

I think you're talking about me here, and if that's what you took away from it then all it does is show me that all you wanted to do was hard headedly defend yourself rather than have any kind of meaningful discussion about the trade.

My point was never that Ajayi would have been the 2nd best back in this draft.  All along it was that his value at the time was commensurate with the second RB being drafted in the rookie draft.  That is, his ADP in startups was about the same as Henry's and well ahead of any of the other rookie RBs.  Likewise Parker's was ahead of any of the rookie WRs.  Value-wise relative to the rookie crop at the time their consensus values were as the #1 WR and #2 RB.  The value they pulled back with picks 6 and 10 were basically the #5 WR and the #4 RB.

If I recall there were many paragraphs written on this, so if what you took from it was "omg Ajayi rocks he would be the 2nd best back in this draft I guarantee it" then that's on you.

Your point about current value vs. value a year later would be relevant if this were a trade that involved picks for an aging veteran who was a year away from a large natural drop in value based on his age.  But that wasn't the case here.  We were talking about 4 relative unknowns, two of which have seen a drop in value due to them underperforming (though you didn't mention who the picks ended up being, so maybe more than 2).  Looking at now vs. a year later in that circumstance is no different than saying Tyler Ervin for Corey Coleman is a fair trade because, who knows, maybe Coleman will play poorly and Tyler Ervin will rush for 1500 yards between now and then.

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2 hours ago, Dez said:

 

 

 

 

Parker......sucking....Ajayi awful...where is the guy who said Ajayi would been the 2nd best back in this draft ?  

I am 1-4 and the guy I traded with is 4-1 right now.

Guess this trade wasn't so awful was it ?  

Sometimes people over value "current value" (I am one of them).  So the trades I make look "good" at the time but more often than not I have been on the wrong side of the trade a year later.

 

Bush league move Muto.  You know better than most anything can happen down the road but value is judged the moment the trade is made.  If you buy a house valued at 200k for 400k you made a terrible purchase.  If you later strike oil in the backyard and become a millionaire the purchase was still a horrible one, you just got lucky after the fact.

The trade was awful when it was made.  Someone would have given more for that for Parker at the time, and another 50% for Ajayi minimum.  Or are you going to come back here in a couple of years and tell us how bad those picks busted and apologize that yes, it was indeed a bad trade since the guys picked sucked?

 

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8 hours ago, jeaton6 said:

Having this context helps. That said I doubt he's a perennial dooormat due to trades like this (it's the Murray type trades that make him a doormat). No one is going bankrupt dealing away mid 2017 3's for vets that are still performing at a decent level. I'd wager there isn't anyone out there that wouldn't buy for a 2017 3 on the value alone yet very, very few would sell at that price. 

I do agree his roster is a disaster and that move really won't make much of a difference. I'm guessing his MFL power ranking is bottom 3 in the league along with no more than 19 all-play wins.

Well you are reading my "trades like this" a little to literally. But even with that, that team was far better off keeping his third, than acquiring Gore. Wouldn't you agree? Thats my point and he often trades away his higher picks as well when he really shoudln't be.

I strongly disagree that Gore is worth a second, even if you get a third back. He's having a failrly good season but has zero upside and plenty of downside. It's hard to see him really helping any team enough to give up a shot at a good player in a strong draft class.

Selling for or buying for a third is perfectly fine under most circumstances.

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3 hours ago, Dez said:

 

 

 

 

Parker......sucking....Ajayi awful...where is the guy who said Ajayi would been the 2nd best back in this draft ?  

I am 1-4 and the guy I traded with is 4-1 right now.

Guess this trade wasn't so awful was it ?  

Sometimes people over value "current value" (I am one of them).  So the trades I make look "good" at the time but more often than not I have been on the wrong side of the trade a year later.

 

I guess you shoulda traded with me then when I immediately offered you better than what you gave to get those guys.

The trade did not work out, but yes, it was very poor value for the other guy at the time.

Also, not like guys taken at 6 and 10 are lighting the world on fire either.

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3 hours ago, SeanTaylor21 said:

Treadwell for a retired Marty Booker a d an injured Doug Martin... put me on the Treadwell side.

Ha ha. Devontae Booker

 

 

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FFPC Block buster today.

Gave up C Michael Sea RB and M Jones Det WR and future 2nd

for

David Johnson Arz RB and future 3rd

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Couple depth moves in my 14 team league with Devy, graded Ppr (.75, 1, 1.25)

gave: D Washington Oak RB and Hood North Carolina RB 

got: D Walker Ten TE and Williams SD WR

 

gave: Ferguson Ind RB and my 2017 2nd (should make playoffs and watered down with Devy)

got: White NE RB

own Reed and Riddick so shored up depth

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2 hours ago, Dez said:

FFPC Block buster today.

Gave up C Michael Sea RB and M Jones Det WR and future 2nd

for

David Johnson Arz RB and future 3rd

Jesus, really? Nice work.

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Team a gives 2017 1st (7-12) and Derrick Henry

Team b gives Mark Ingram

Cap concerns, Ingram is $30 of $100 cap so difficult to keep for more than another year without expense.  Henry as a rookie is $5 and will only be $10 next year.

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2 minutes ago, Hankmoody said:

Team a gives 2017 1st (7-12) and Derrick Henry

Team b gives Mark Ingram

Cap concerns, Ingram is $30 of $100 cap so difficult to keep for more than another year without expense.  Henry as a rookie is $5 and will only be $10 next year.

Big win even without cap

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14 team, 24 man in season rosters, non ppr, 6pt all tds, -3pt all turnovers.  

As you can imagine there are no qbs on the waiver wire whatsoever.

Lots of qb deals this week.

1) brees, arian foster, delanie walker

For 

Cj anderson, hoyer, tyler lockett

2) mark ingram for stafford

3) julian edelman and hoyer

For

Rivers and torrey smith

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Start 2QB, 10 team PPR

(QQRRWWWW)

 

Gave: 

Dak Prescott

Got:

2017 (late) 1st

2017 (early) 2nd

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7 hours ago, Dr. Octopus said:

Well you are reading my "trades like this" a little to literally. But even with that, that team was far better off keeping his third, than acquiring Gore. Wouldn't you agree? Thats my point and he often trades away his higher picks as well when he really shoudln't be.

I strongly disagree that Gore is worth a second, even if you get a third back. He's having a failrly good season but has zero upside and plenty of downside. It's hard to see him really helping any team enough to give up a shot at a good player in a strong draft class.

Selling for or buying for a third is perfectly fine under most circumstances.

Is this a best ball league? He has zero upside, based on what? He has hit 20 Fps in a game this year. Will he ever hit 30? Not likely but give me the 12-14 ppg guy vs a 8 or 25 ppg (boom bust) at RB2 even if just a one year rental. I'll wager if this guy falls out of contention (which you seem to have made up your mind he actually isn't even in right now even at 3-2) he can sell Gore to a contender that needs a year end/playoff rental for a late 2. 2017 3 for Gore is a steal under pretty much any circumstance.

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8 hours ago, Dez said:

FFPC Block buster today.

Gave up C Michael Sea RB and M Jones Det WR and future 2nd

for

David Johnson Arz RB and future 3rd

Nice deal

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4 hours ago, Hankmoody said:

Team a gives 2017 1st (7-12) and Derrick Henry

Team b gives Mark Ingram

Cap concerns, Ingram is $30 of $100 cap so difficult to keep for more than another year without expense.  Henry as a rookie is $5 and will only be $10 next year.

Henry and the pick

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2 in my league today. PPR. 

Michael Floyd 

for

2017 3rd

--------------------

AJ Green

for

Corey Coleman, '17 1st, & '18 1st

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12 team non PPR:

A gives Sammie Coates

B gives DeVante Adams and a top three 3rd round pick in 2017

Both players will serve as depth and spot-starters.

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5 hours ago, Sebowski said:

2 in my league today. PPR. 

Michael Floyd 

for

2017 3rd

--------------------

AJ Green

for

Corey Coleman, '17 1st, & '18 1st

Floyd

 

Coleman and the picks if rebuilding and Green if contending. Looks like a good trade for both

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Team A gives Derrick Henry, Allen Hurns, 2017 1st (late), 2017 2nd (late)

Team B gives Deandre Hopkins

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Why do most of the worst trades posted in these threads every year seem to come from FFPC leagues? Don't you have to pay a big buy-in there? Seems like those owners would be some of the more serious among us. 

But I guess it could be the other way around--if you're going to pay a large buy-in for dynasty, you probably have a pretty big ego and belief in your ability to put together a great roster to begin with...leading to more trades against consensus value according to "gut" rankings.

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9 hours ago, ConnSKINS26 said:

Why do most of the worst trades posted in these threads every year seem to come from FFPC leagues? Don't you have to pay a big buy-in there? Seems like those owners would be some of the more serious among us. 

But I guess it could be the other way around--if you're going to pay a large buy-in for dynasty, you probably have a pretty big ego and belief in your ability to put together a great roster to begin with...leading to more trades against consensus value according to "gut" rankings.

For the same reason guys that shoot triple digits join 50k a year private country clubs.  Some people have too much money and are in it for the experience or to kill the time.  There's no sense of economical efficiency because it's coming out of their entertainment budget.

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16 team ppr. Must star put 3 wr

gave 2017 1st(late. Team 5-1) and 4th

got Jordan matthews

replaces one of Steve smith, Torrey smith, Brett Perriman, Mohammad Sanu or Chris Conley. 

 

 Also small deal

dan Bailey for Blair Walsh and 2017 5th

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On 10/16/2016 at 6:39 AM, ChuckLiddell said:

12 team non PPR:

A gives Sammie Coates

B gives DeVante Adams and a top three 3rd round pick in 2017

Both players will serve as depth and spot-starters.

Coates.  Adams is awful, this was a good sell on Adams here IMO.

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On 10/16/2016 at 2:05 AM, Sebowski said:

2 in my league today. PPR. 

Michael Floyd 

for

2017 3rd

--------------------

AJ Green

for

Corey Coleman, '17 1st, & '18 1st

The Floyd one is a steal.  You get basically a free draw for where he signs next year...

Green for Coleman and picks was a good deal.  I'd take the Coleman side with Green being 28 but good trade for both most likely.

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12 team ppr QB-2RB-3WR-TE-FL

 

Team A: Carlos Hyde, Robert Woods, Chris Ivory

Team B: Kelvin Benjamin, Justin Hardy (immediately dropped)

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12 Team PPR

Start QRRWWWT

 

Team A Trades:

Mike Evans

2017 1st (1.08 to 1.12 range)

 

Team B Trades:

Antonio Brown

Jordan Reed

2017 4th (mid range)

 

Team B always looking to acquire future picks and his team is competitive. Has Hunter Henry and Kelce also at TE

Team A also has a competitive team with Barnidge/Pitta as his TEs

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3 minutes ago, xpiredcoupon said:

12 Team PPR

Start QRRWWWT

 

Team A Trades:

Mike Evans

2017 1st (1.08 to 1.12 range)

 

Team B Trades:

Antonio Brown

Jordan Reed

2017 4th (mid range)

 

Team B always looking to acquire future picks and his team is competitive. Has Hunter Henry and Kelce also at TE

Team A also has a competitive team with Barnidge/Pitta as his TEs

Great trade for Team B.  This is the type of "rebuild preventing" trade that I always try to make.  Flip the established name value 27-28 yearold stud WRs for the up and coming 23-24 yearold WRs..

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4 hours ago, Dr. Octopus said:

12 team ppr QB-2RB-3WR-TE-FL

 

Team A: Carlos Hyde, Robert Woods, Chris Ivory

Team B: Kelvin Benjamin, Justin Hardy (immediately dropped)

Benjamin

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Team A gives Brandon Marshall and Mark Ingram

Team B gives Deandre Hopkins

Just saw that one go through but it happened Friday so before this week's games played.

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QRWWTFFKDDDDDD 16Team PPR Auction/Contract league, max 14 contracts.

Team A gives: Kelce and DGB

Team B gives: Doug Martin and 2017 1st Round pick (pick extremely likely to be top 3, potentially 1.1)

Caveat - Team B does not receive Kelce until 2017 but DGB immediately.  Team A receives Martin immediately but the pick at the end of the season before draft.

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3 minutes ago, slackjawedyokel said:

QRWWTFFKDDDDDD 16Team PPR Auction/Contract league, max 14 contracts.

Team A gives: Kelce and DGB

Team B gives: Doug Martin and 2017 1st Round pick (pick extremely likely to be top 3, potentially 1.1)

Caveat - Team B does not receive Kelce until 2017 but DGB immediately.  Team A receives Martin immediately but the pick at the end of the season before draft.

 

top 3 pick is worth way more than both Kelce/DGB.  Getting Martin for free and then some.

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12 team non PPR

Contender gives two 2017 1st rounders (one 3-6, other 6-10), and a 2nd (top 3)

Rebuild gives Mark Ingram, DeAndre Hopkins, 2017 3rd (top 3)

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5 hours ago, Hankmoody said:

Team A gives Brandon Marshall and Mark Ingram

Team B gives Deandre Hopkins

Just saw that one go through but it happened Friday so before this week's games played.

Hopkins

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19 minutes ago, ChuckLiddell said:

12 team non PPR

Contender gives two 2017 1st rounders (one 3-6, other 6-10), and a 2nd (top 3)

Rebuild gives Mark Ingram, DeAndre Hopkins, 2017 3rd (top 3)

Need at least one more 1st in this deal

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12 team graded PPR. Start QRRWWTFDK

Not super flex.

Trade happened last week.

Team A: Dak and V Cruz

Team B: 2017 1st and Blount

1st from Team B winless and last place by a couple games, submitted incomplete line up 3 of 5 weeks (and week 6). 

Team A is the commissioner and won't even put to vote, which is in the bylaws. Plus is being obstinate and "I don't have to rationalize a damned thing to you"

I know there is a faction of owners who say "he paid his dues, Team B can do what he wants". I disagree and pointed out the integrity of the league is lost and gave notice, along with another owner (so far).

Thoughts?

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If the commissioner is ignoring the bylaws it's time to leave the league.  Next stop on that train is ignoring the results of a veto vote or changing lineups after submission deadline "because I was going to I just forgot".

Next step is to never play in a league with veto votes, because Owner B paid his dues and can do what he wants.

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12 Team PPR and 1 PPT for every 10 carries (no fractions so 19=1 point)

I Gave: Watkins, Howard, Brate

I Got: Hopkins, Floyd, Eifert

Side Note: other deal I passed on (I was torn as I love Howard but deep enough at RB with Murray/Lacy/Gio/West)

Give: Watkins, Enunwa

Get: Hopkins, Tyreek Hill

Team I traded with is 1-5. I'm 3-3 and can now roll out Cobb, Green, Jeffery, Hopkins.

 

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6 hours ago, DexterDew said:

12 team graded PPR. Start QRRWWTFDK

Not super flex.

Trade happened last week.

Team A: Dak and V Cruz

Team B: 2017 1st and Blount

1st from Team B winless and last place by a couple games, submitted incomplete line up 3 of 5 weeks (and week 6). 

Team A is the commissioner and won't even put to vote, which is in the bylaws. Plus is being obstinate and "I don't have to rationalize a damned thing to you"

I know there is a faction of owners who say "he paid his dues, Team B can do what he wants". I disagree and pointed out the integrity of the league is lost and gave notice, along with another owner (so far).

Thoughts?

Pick

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12 hours ago, slackjawedyokel said:

QRWWTFFKDDDDDD 16Team PPR Auction/Contract league, max 14 contracts.

Team A gives: Kelce and DGB

Team B gives: Doug Martin and 2017 1st Round pick (pick extremely likely to be top 3, potentially 1.1)

Caveat - Team B does not receive Kelce until 2017 but DGB immediately.  Team A receives Martin immediately but the pick at the end of the season before draft.

Can't believe a league (or your commish) would allow this type of agreement.  So team A gets Martin (now) for just DGB, gets to use Kelce for the rest of the season and then gets a top 3 pick after the season is over when he's done using Kelce?  It's a bad trade as is, but no way Team A should be allowed to keep and use Kelce for the rest of the season.  

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1 hour ago, SayWhat? said:
13 hours ago, slackjawedyokel said:

QRWWTFFKDDDDDD 16Team PPR Auction/Contract league, max 14 contracts.

Team A gives: Kelce and DGB

Team B gives: Doug Martin and 2017 1st Round pick (pick extremely likely to be top 3, potentially 1.1)

Caveat - Team B does not receive Kelce until 2017 but DGB immediately.  Team A receives Martin immediately but the pick at the end of the season before draft.

Can't believe a league (or your commish) would allow this type of agreement.  So team A gets Martin (now) for just DGB, gets to use Kelce for the rest of the season and then gets a top 3 pick after the season is over when he's done using Kelce?  It's a bad trade as is, but no way Team A should be allowed to keep and use Kelce for the rest of the season.  

On first blush I didn't even see the delayed part.  On top of a horrible trade that delayed crap is collusion.  Trade needs to be disallowed and both owners need to be replaced immediately.  I'd leave a league over that and possibly go scorched earth on my way out.

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