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1 minute ago, ghostguy123 said:

12 team PPR (FFPC)

Juju smith

For

Ty hilton, corey clement, pick 11, 2019 2nd

FFPC is fairly short bench and pre draft roster cuts right?

I think JuJu either way, but if the above is correct, then Juju by a lot

TY is not getting younger, but at the moment its probably a fair swap, maybe even TY by a small amount, but Juju is soooo young so there is that upside as well

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1 hour ago, Pwingles said:

FFPC is fairly short bench and pre draft roster cuts right?

I think JuJu either way, but if the above is correct, then Juju by a lot

TY is not getting younger, but at the moment its probably a fair swap, maybe even TY by a small amount, but Juju is soooo young so there is that upside as well

Yes you are correct on FFPC. 20 man rosters during season, no taxi squad. Off season you got to cut down to 16 by mid-march.

I thought it was a fair trade but I'd take the JuJu side as well, 7 years younger is almost an extra career.  The pick 11 is a solid pick, a pick where you could have chosen the likes of JuJu/Kamara or Hunt in a lot of leagues last year and this draft has for sure grown on me but I'll take my chances on the sure thing aspect of this deal, which is the 7 year age reduction.

One of the reasons I like to go younger, which  for sure does not always work out, but here you got a shot to enjoy the services of JuJu the next 3-4 years and if his health holds up and his  game continues to grow you potentially can move him for more then what was paid today. Older players are only going one direction.

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11 hours ago, menobrown said:

Cook/HH side by a healthy margin.

I'll disagree here.

Especially in a 16 team league, Kelce offers a considerable advantage over most of the league.

Cook is a great dynasty asset but there are far more players at that poison 6 that will likely score within 3-4 PPG. Other than Gronk, there is no one you can count on at TE to outperform Kelce who has been #1 two years in a row. 

I'd take Henry over Collins, but I don't see that nearly as significant to make up Kelce vs Cook.

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38 minutes ago, menobrown said:
2 hours ago, Pwingles said:

FFPC is fairly short bench and pre draft roster cuts right?

I think JuJu either way, but if the above is correct, then Juju by a lot

TY is not getting younger, but at the moment its probably a fair swap, maybe even TY by a small amount, but Juju is soooo young so there is that upside as well

Yes you are correct on FFPC. 20 man rosters during season, no taxi squad. Off season you got to cut down to 16 by mid-march.

I thought it was a fair trade but I'd take the JuJu side as well, 7 years younger is almost an extra career.  The pick 11 is a solid pick, a pick where you could have chosen the likes of JuJu/Kamara or Hunt in a lot of leagues last year and this draft has for sure grown on me but I'll take my chances on the sure thing aspect of this deal, which is the 7 year age reduction.

One of the reasons I like to go younger, which  for sure does not always work out, but here you got a shot to enjoy the services of JuJu the next 3-4 years and if his health holds up and his  game continues to grow you potentially can move him for more then what was paid today. Older players are only going one direction.

My only concern with JuJu is his window of opportunity.  I play in leagues with expiring taxi/contracts periods so having to wait on a guy is painful.  As long as AB is there JuJu has a limited ceiling (seasonally) and AB is likely to outlast Big Ben, so there's additionally a QB transition in there too.  That's a lot of long-term risk with little short-term payout for him.  If we were talking about an AB, or a Michael Thomas or Gronkowski then sure, the short term window of stud points would offset a lot of that long term concern for me, but I don't see that with JuJu.  I like TY as a bounce-back and Clement is cuttable in that format (or flip him and for a pick upgrade) so I don't see any roster spot gain here either.

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24 minutes ago, Hankmoody said:

My only concern with JuJu is his window of opportunity.  I play in leagues with expiring taxi/contracts periods so having to wait on a guy is painful.  As long as AB is there JuJu has a limited ceiling (seasonally) and AB is likely to outlast Big Ben, so there's additionally a QB transition in there too.  That's a lot of long-term risk with little short-term payout for him.  If we were talking about an AB, or a Michael Thomas or Gronkowski then sure, the short term window of stud points would offset a lot of that long term concern for me, but I don't see that with JuJu.  I like TY as a bounce-back and Clement is cuttable in that format (or flip him and for a pick upgrade) so I don't see any roster spot gain here either.

In my league this year, JuJu was WR17 (WR13 in PPG). I expect him to solidify the #2 role next year. It's sensible to expect at least a repeat of those numbers, and they are starter-worthy. 

I also expect a bounce-back year out of TY and he could out-point JuJu next year if Luck returns. But even then, I think it will be close, and TY will cross into the dreaded age 30. Love TY, but don't see him having a Fitz-like run in his 30s.

Of course, losing Ben will hurt JuJu, but I agree with others who have posted that Pittsburgh is a well-run franchise that will have a Plan B in place beyond Landry Jones. Speaking of Jones, it was Week 17, and AB was out, but JuJu did post 9-143-1 with him.  Kid just makes plays at age 21.

It is a deep draft ahead and the 1.11 is more valuable than usual, but I believe in the JuJu side.

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22 minutes ago, Hankmoody said:

My only concern with JuJu is his window of opportunity.  I play in leagues with expiring taxi/contracts periods so having to wait on a guy is painful.  As long as AB is there JuJu has a limited ceiling (seasonally) and AB is likely to outlast Big Ben, so there's additionally a QB transition in there too.  That's a lot of long-term risk with little short-term payout for him.  If we were talking about an AB, or a Michael Thomas or Gronkowski then sure, the short term window of stud points would offset a lot of that long term concern for me, but I don't see that with JuJu.  I like TY as a bounce-back and Clement is cuttable in that format (or flip him and for a pick upgrade) so I don't see any roster spot gain here either.

The offense can support two WR's quite easily, especially so considering they don't use the TE a ton and Bell might be down to one more year.  But Martavis got 92 targets in 11 weeks in 2015 which projects to over 130 in I think JuJu's game is one that gets him more targets, more high percentage looks. That is plenty of targets for me considering the efficiency of what playing off AB does for a WR.

The QB transition is not a nothing but what he just did with Landry Jones this past week sure did a lot to put a lot of those fears to rest.

TY should bounce back but the trade rumors with him were real at the trade deadline last year, as in they were absolutely trying to move him.  That gives me some concern but he'll turn 29 next season so even if he bounces back will his value really bounce back a ton? I don't think so.

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5 minutes ago, JackReacher said:

In my league this year, JuJu was WR17 (WR13 in PPG). I expect him to solidify the #2 role next year. It's sensible to expect at least a repeat of those numbers, and they are starter-worthy. 

I also expect a bounce-back year out of TY and he could out-point JuJu next year if Luck returns. But even then, I think it will be close, and TY will cross into the dreaded age 30. Love TY, but don't see him having a Fitz-like run in his 30s.

Of course, losing Ben will hurt JuJu, but I agree with others who have posted that Pittsburgh is a well-run franchise that will have a Plan B in place beyond Landry Jones. Speaking of Jones, it was Week 17, and AB was out, but JuJu did post 9-143-1 with him.  Kid just makes plays at age 21.

It is a deep draft ahead and the 1.11 is more valuable than usual, but I believe in the JuJu side.

Wow that's a big datapoint, thanks.  I am behind and haven't done my post-season wrap yet, and as of my week 13 wrap he was WR37 in PPG.  Those late weeks really bumped him but they also kind of illustrate my point - AB got hurt early in week 15 so those outputs were almost exclusively without AB involved.  Three was also a big KR for a TD so that feels a little outlier-y to me. 

Don't get me wrong, I love this kid's talent and drafted him in two of my leagues.  But if I can sell him for premium prices I wouldn't hesitate and TY + 1.11 has a chance to blow the lid off.

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5 minutes ago, Hankmoody said:

Wow that's a big datapoint, thanks. 

Assuming this is sarcasm, but it's really all we have to go on at this point. It is a season in the NFL.

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2 minutes ago, JackReacher said:

Assuming this is sarcasm, but it's really all we have to go on at this point. It is a season in the NFL.

No not at all, sorry to come off that way.  I would never have thought he finished that high and it makes me realize I need to get my EOY done!

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Just now, Hankmoody said:

No not at all, sorry to come off that way.  I would never have thought he finished that high and it makes me realize I need to get my EOY done!

Ah no worries. I have a terrible sarcasm radar on here.

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Juju also missed two games IIRC, and I don't think he had a high snap count in the earlier part of the season. I'd say he is the legitimate #2 receiver on the team behind the best WR of a generation who can probably still be elite for another few years like Marvin Harrison and Larry Fitzgerald. Brown's presence, regardless of whether Ben is there, does cap Juju's upside a bit. But I still want him on my team. He is a playmaker and I think he will continue to get his.

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On 11/16/2017 at 10:15 PM, BigJonE300 said:

18 team PPR

gave - 2018 first and fifth, both likely end of round

got - Theilen

 

Somehow still in first losing OBJ, Watt, Watson and Hogan (for awhile at least) and needed a WR1 to keep me there.

This makes me sad. I liked the deal when it was done and still do, but Theilen came up awfully small in the playoffs.

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FFPC scoring

Team A receives: Brandin Cooks

Team B receives: A. Jeffery/2.4

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Another TY Hilton FFPC trade, I'm not involved:

 

Team A gave: TY Hilton, 3.12

Team B gave: Drake, 1.10

 

 

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Team A gets:  Manning, E. and Allen, K.

Team B gets: Mahomes, P.; Mixon, J. and Bryant, M.

Think I like the Keenan side on this one...

Standard 12-team, non-PPR.

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31 minutes ago, Arodin said:

Team A gets:  Manning, E. and Allen, K.

Team B gets: Mahomes, P.; Mixon, J. and Bryant, M.

Think I like the Keenan side on this one...

What are the league specs?  Assuming standard 12 tm ppr, I think I'd take the Mixon side.  It's close and I agree that Allen is the most valuable part right now.  But Mixon still has a lot of market value.  You'll be able to get Allen+ for him with a good start to the season.  

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Team A:  JuJu Smith-Schuster, Robby Anderson

Team B:  Davante Adams, 2.09, 4.10

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12 team PPR

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28 minutes ago, Concept Coop said:

12 Tm PPR - QRRWWWTF - 25 man rosters

Gave: Diggs

Got: C.Davis, 2.07, 3.12

Picks on the wrong side.  Davis by a mile please and thank you.  But I'm not a big believer in Diggs, where I believe his value is at it's career high.  

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2 minutes ago, Enderdog said:

Team A:  JuJu Smith-Schuster, Robby Anderson

Team B:  Davante Adams, 2.09, 4.10

seems pretty even here

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34 minutes ago, Concept Coop said:

12 Tm PPR - QRRWWWTF - 25 man rosters

Gave: Diggs

Got: C.Davis, 2.07, 3.12

I'd rather roll the dice on davis here. Diggs is a nice piece though depending on your team roster

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45 minutes ago, Arodin said:

Team A gets:  Manning, E. and Allen, K.

Team B gets: Mahomes, P.; Mixon, J. and Bryant, M.

Think I like the Keenan side on this one...

Standard 12-team, non-PPR.

 

Wow. I think it's one of the more lopsided trades I've seen lately and I completely like, no make that love, the other side.

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1 hour ago, Zyphros said:

Picks on the wrong side.  Davis by a mile please and thank you.  But I'm not a big believer in Diggs, where I believe his value is at it's career high.  

 

1 hour ago, mozzy84 said:

I'd rather roll the dice on davis here. Diggs is a nice piece though depending on your team roster

Thanks for your thoughts.  Injury history aside, I really like Diggs. If Diggs was my WR2, I might have passed; but he's WR3 for me and I can afford to gamble here.  

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10 hours ago, Arodin said:

Team A gets:  Manning, E. and Allen, K.

Team B gets: Mahomes, P.; Mixon, J. and Bryant, M.

Think I like the Keenan side on this one...

Standard 12-team, non-PPR.

This is a deal I would not be looking to do as I like Mixon and Allen. Would probably take Allen

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10 hours ago, Concept Coop said:

12 Tm PPR - QRRWWWTF - 25 man rosters

Gave: Diggs

Got: C.Davis, 2.07, 3.12

I would go Diggs. Not sure why but I don't like Davis

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20 hours ago, Matt's Eagles said:

12 team PPR

Team A got Tarik Cohen, Crowell, Ebron, 2019 1st prob late

 

Team B got B Perriman, B Cooks, pick 2.10

Cooks 

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20 hours ago, menobrown said:

Another TY Hilton FFPC trade, I'm not involved:

 

Team A gave: TY Hilton, 3.12

Team B gave: Drake, 1.10

 

 

Hilton

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14 minutes ago, Pampernick said:

julio, 2018 2.01, 2018  3.01

for

cooks, 2018 1.02, 2019 3rd

Seems like cooks/2 side by almost a full cooks

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20 minutes ago, Pampernick said:

julio, 2018 2.01, 2018  3.01

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cooks, 2018 1.02, 2019 3rd

cooks

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30 minutes ago, Longtucky Lemmings said:

Typical PPR

 

Team A gets: Julio Jones

Team B gets: Corey Davis, Marlon Mack

At this exact moment, I go Julio.  Ask me again in 6 months and I'll very likely take CD 

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6 hours ago, Pampernick said:

julio, 2018 2.01, 2018  3.01

for

cooks, 2018 1.02, 2019 3rd

I'd take 1.2 over Julio which basically means this is getting Cooks for less than the 2.1 so that side.

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On 11/3/2017 at 3:58 PM, gianmarco said:

FFPC trade between contending and rebuild team:

Team A receives:  L. Bell/McKinnon
Team B receives:  David Johnson/Shepard/2018 1st (belongs to team in 7th place so could be anywhere)

The team who got Bell won the title. 

The rebuilding team who sold Bell ended up getting the 1.3+DJ+Shepard for Bell/McKinnon. 

Epitome of a win-win. 

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1 hour ago, Aunt Jemima said:

minor FFPC deal

Gave 2.11, 5.7

got

Garoppalo, 7.3

Cheap buy on Garoppolo.  I think he's going to be a really good fantasy option for a long time.

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5 hours ago, FreeBaGeL said:

Cheap buy on Garoppolo.  I think he's going to be a really good fantasy option for a long time.

Wow especially in FFPC where apparently getting a QB can take an act of congress

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2 hours ago, Hankmoody said:

Wow especially in FFPC where apparently getting a QB can take an act of congress

I think you are thinking of zealots. FFPC is small rosters with aggressive mandatory offseason cuts so startable QBs are typically easy to find. 

I think garropolo will be a difference maker though. 

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