Matt's Eagles
Footballguy
12 Team PPR
Team A gets A Jeffrey, 2.1
Team B gets Godwin, Callaway, 2.8
Team A gets A Jeffrey, 2.1
Team B gets Godwin, Callaway, 2.8
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I'm not even sure that makes the new Alshon owner better in 2019. Give me the young players all day.
Denver724
Footballguy
Based on what? Statements like this just seem like wishful thinking or an attempt to get out ahead of the curve before a prospect blows up. Miller had a decent rookie season, with a handful of fantasy relevant games mid-season, but he in no way lived up to his pre-season hype. I recall there was a week or two around training camp where it was trendy to say he was the best WR in the draft class, because he looked ok in a couple of practices. If you'd sold him then, you would have been able to cash out for more than what you would get for him now.
Robinson didn't have an awesome year but he improved as the season went on. I don't see any reason to think that he will take a back seat to Miller in the offense next year. At most, maybe the split between the two becomes more even? I'm just not sure what he showed that would make anyone think he's more than a complementary piece in an offense.
barackdhouse
Footballguy
Agreed. And if someone (like me) doesn't think Miller will ascend to a value higher than late 1st or early 2nd, then selling him for ~the same price as they paid is really not a bad move. It isn't a wasted pick, it is just kicking the value down the road a season. No biggie. At least it is a second dart throw instead of a year of sitting on your bench. Obviously if he emerges as a stud then it would have been bad, but his early 2nd value could still drop, too. Breaking even with a freeroll to land a better prospect next year.
I think the big disconnect on how a lot of you view Miller vs the way myself and I think JohhnyU views him is I'm guessing most of you don't think playing with his shoulder was a big issue. I'm not trying to say that in a condescending way either. Speaking for myself I think it was a major issue to overcome. So I won't argue the play on the field lived up to the hype, I would however argue any WR suffering a severe separated shoulder would also not live up to the hype. Again, goes back to how much you think the injury did or did not impact him.RushHour said:
I still think Robinson is the likely #1 for next year at least and volume of passes to WR's and Trubisky remain issues and due to that I've both argued for Millers future prospects but also fully understand why someone would want to move him for 2.2. I would just say again I don't think his injury gave him a fighting chance to live up to the hype and I expect a markedly improved player next year but more along the lines of a solid WR3 for now and as @edgar pointed out if someone wanted to cash in that chip for a younger prospect that makes sense to me.
NE_REVIVAL
Footballguy
FPC
Coleman, Tevin
Henry, Derrick
Kittle, George
Callaway, Antonio
For
Allen, Keenan
Johnson, David
Thomas, Ian (TE)
2019 2.05 & 3.05
Coleman, Tevin
Henry, Derrick
Kittle, George
Callaway, Antonio
For
Allen, Keenan
Johnson, David
Thomas, Ian (TE)
2019 2.05 & 3.05
fruity pebbles
Footballguy
joey
Footballguy
Huh? Is this trade from last year, right afte Guice got hurt and before Alex Collins was phased out as their primary RB? Collins doesn’t even factor into the trade for me. It’s Guice for 1.08.
If you held on to Guice for this long, why would you sell him so low now? Is there some horrible recent news I have heard about? Was he run over by a truck? Even so, Guice.
Zyphros
Footballguy
This is a weird one in my head. Kittle himself is probably even with Keenan Allen in FFPC and then the other 3 in the Kittle group are basically droppable in FFPC format, other than Henry who isn't nearly as valuable since its full ppr. Keenan Allen side rather easily. I'm a big Ian Thomas fan, plus picks and DJ who should be improved this year? Yeah that side.
Pretty even deal right now. Got players on both sides of this deal I for sure would not be out trying to buy right now at their price but I'd take the Kittle side in a close call.
FPC is TE bonus isn't it? Kittle & Henry pretty easily if that's the case (and I like Thomas a lot as a potential TE flyer.) I want no part of DJ, especially with the Kingsbury hire.
kittenmittens
Footballguy
NE_REVIVAL
Footballguy
Thanks, thats pretty much how i saw it; i was the Allen\DJ side and I think it is pretty close. I owned Henry in 5 out of 6 fpc lgs, i am pretty high on Thomas and roster cut to 16 all played into it as well.
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kittenmittens
Footballguy
I posted a completed trade a few days ago I was not involved that was Zeke for Thomas and a 2020#2. One of the comments someone made to that trade was something along the lines of despite how high they are on Thomas that Zeke is a 3 down difference making RB and they preferred Zeke, something like that. Anyway that was my thought on that trade and it applies here again. Elliot is a bigger difference maker and the pick does not quite even that up to me. All that being said that's me and how I view things, I tend to think the consensus opinion would average somewhere to fair to slightly Elliot but close either way.
ILUVBEER99
Footballguy
TheBottomLine
Footballguy
Aunt Jemima
Footballguy
FFPC
Gave OJ Howard, Gostkowski, 2020 2nd
Got Brandin Cooks, 2020 3rd
Gave OJ Howard, Gostkowski, 2020 2nd
Got Brandin Cooks, 2020 3rd
kittenmittens
Footballguy
I would argue that locked in #1 WRs who have elite QBs are also rare and carry fantasy teams. WRs have longer careers and get injured less frequently too, so you can reasonably expect Thomas to hold his value for longer than Zeke even though he is 2 years older.ILUVBEER99 said:
Elliott scored 331 PPR points this year. Thomas scored 319. I'm not giving up taking a shot at whatever stud WR from this deep WR class is sitting there at 1.12 so that I can change what position my stud player plays to a less advantageous (long term) position.
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ffmail4me
Footballguy
So I made the trade and hope I did the right move. 12 team PPR
gave: Zeke, Riddick, Kelvin Benjamin, 3.7
got: Michael Thomas, 1.12, 2.12, Gio Bernard
Uodated Roster:
Newton, Trubisky, Dalton
CMC, Guice, Lindsay, AP, Gio, Dion Lewis
Thomas, Cooks, Godwin, Golladay, Kirk, Kirkwood, Quinn, Chad Williams, Treadwell
Howard, Rudolph, Shaheen
Picks 1.7, 1.12, 2.2, 2.7, 2.12
gave: Zeke, Riddick, Kelvin Benjamin, 3.7
got: Michael Thomas, 1.12, 2.12, Gio Bernard
Uodated Roster:
Newton, Trubisky, Dalton
CMC, Guice, Lindsay, AP, Gio, Dion Lewis
Thomas, Cooks, Godwin, Golladay, Kirk, Kirkwood, Quinn, Chad Williams, Treadwell
Howard, Rudolph, Shaheen
Picks 1.7, 1.12, 2.2, 2.7, 2.12
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kittenmittens
Footballguy
Boone22
Footballguy
kittenmittens
Footballguy
I guess we don't know. You could also ask what happens when the Cowboys Oline isn't as good, or when Zeke reaches the 1800 carry mark (or however many touches that make us get concerned about career workload) by the time he is 26.
ffmail4me
Footballguy
Before the Arians hire I would for sure have preferred OJ Howard in this deal but now as boring as this sounds just to got to say it seems equitable. For sure makes sense for your team.
smbkrypt24
Footballguy
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Guice was worth one first a year ago. He certainly isn’t worth two now, plus Howard on top. Hooper doesn’t balance that out even if this was TE premium, which it isn’t stated to be.
voiceofunreason
Footballguy
Your point stands but the Cowboys OL was pretty average overall and at times bad this year.
Zyphros
Footballguy
Let's be clear. Guice was worth the 1.02 a year ago. And since then the new draft class is only worse with none in his caliber. Guice is easily worth 2 1sts in my book. The 4 and 6 picks aren't bad at all and I can see both sides since I hate almost every player in that deal other than Guice.
ffmail4me
Footballguy
I only did it because I didn't feel I had a true #1 stud WR (Cooks has too many #2 type of weeks) so felt moving him and throw-ins for Michael Thomas, Gio, 1.12, and 2.12 was a good return. As far as I know, there is nothing wrong with that big Ewok
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Interesting. I like both Jones and Freeman quite a bit. Many are quick to label Royce a bust already, but I think that's extremely premature. He actually had a pretty solid rookie year.
I'll take the Royce side with Boyd, very slightly.
TheBottomLine
Footballguy
skinfanjon
Footballguy
This just went down, not involved. Both teams missed the playoffs last year:
Team A got: Mixon, Diggs, Vance McDonald, 2019 3rd, 2020 2nd
Team B got: Elliott, Matt Ryan, 2020 1st (highly likely to be top 4)
Team A just bought this orphan and said he wanted to deal. I offered up Guice, Fuller, and 2020 1st for Elliott yesterday more than willing to negotiate.
He laughed at me for asking, then does this.
Team A got: Mixon, Diggs, Vance McDonald, 2019 3rd, 2020 2nd
Team B got: Elliott, Matt Ryan, 2020 1st (highly likely to be top 4)
Team A just bought this orphan and said he wanted to deal. I offered up Guice, Fuller, and 2020 1st for Elliott yesterday more than willing to negotiate.
He laughed at me for asking, then does this.
Zyphros
Footballguy
Elliott rather easily for me. I like Mixon and Diggs enough but I don't think they're difference makers, more of solid #2 options than anything else. Plus I'm pick obsessed so a top4 pick in 2020 is a cherry on top.
