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Team A definitely operates in a different universe of player valuation that most of the fantasy world. The one mitigating factor is he had 5 (yes 5) 2nd rounders in the 2019 rookie draft. Owner getting 2.8 has Kelce, Rudolph and Graham so he could afford to part with a depth TE like Vance.
Seemed as such.
That was my thought too, especially since the owner receiving 2.8 is down his 2019 1st. Having two seconds alleviates that sting somewhat.
I dont think its really all that far off. With both AB and Jesse James out in Pittsburgh, should be more targets for Vance, and he is not a bad player. I think he is a nice under the radar buy candidate right now. 18th pick is a dart throw. Seems ok to me.
I disagree but it seems as if a lot of people are buying into (or at least pitching) this concept. I have received more offers of people trying to sell McDonald than any other player. And I've been shocked at the value that his owners are placing on him. I haven't been willing to pay that price yet but there's apparently a Vance fanclub out there advancing the notion that he's got a ton of value right now.
Never said a ton of value. I dont think the 18th overall pick in this draft is a ton of value. I said it didnt feel like it was far off from being a fair deal. Guy had 600 yards and 4 TD last year in his first season in the offense, sharing his position with the incumbent and sharing targets with a target hog at WR - both are now gone. The notion that he can improve on 50/610/4 is not far fetched, and an improvement on that to me would justify the 18th overall pick in this draft.
Yeah I was pretty thrilled to find that offer waiting in my inbox. I'm doing a short re-tool after a couple championships and this type of offer helps speed it up (hopefully).
What am I missing on this one? Seems very light for that type of move up. I get the rhetoric is that this is the year to trade down, but I don't think that really kicks in until after pick 5 or 6.
Normally i'd say 1.2 was the obvious answer but I think i prefer the other side by a good margin this year.
No doubt the draft is deeper with second/third tier talents than true stud prospects at the top. I would imagine your view of this trade also depends on how you feel about the guys in that prospective top tier (Harry, Montgomery, Sanders, maybe a couple others).
I'm not. If the draft is in August, i'll almost certainly take 1.2, but the way i see it, 1.2 right now is either harry, Sanders or Montgomery.
Right. Could be metcalf, hock, fant, maybe even Murray. There's a bit of a consensus adp forming, but it's still the wild west right now.
"How much better or worse is the 2021 titans qb than the 2021 Patriots qb?"
Appreciate feedback and I hated to give up Guice but would disagree he is easy 1.1. I know this very league I was sitting on pick 1.1 that I absolutely preferred Jacobs who I took at 1.1. I own Guice in one other league and offered him straight up for the 1.1 the night before this trade was made and he rejected and took Jacobs. So can't agree Guice is easy 1.1, I think if he was in this draft his ADP would be 1.2, would go 1.1 in some drafts I'm sure, as late as 1.5 in others but would average 1.2.
Fair if you're just concerned about their value in 2021. These things are fluid though. If Harry comes out and has a really nice rookie season with Brady his value will catapult even with the knowledge that Brady will be moving on soon. We're talking potential 1st round startup value here before 2021. Meanwhile Brown could be the opposite and could only get cheaper and cheaper as we head to 2021 and he languishes alongside poor QB play a la Corey Davis.
Guice's startup ADP is a few picks after Jacobs and a few picks before Harry.
I mean McGahee did, but that is probably all I can think of, and that was 15 years ago. That said, I'm in that boat that takes Guice over anyone in this year's class.
Not really, but I'm definitely happy about the trade. It's another data point, which is what this thread is for. I had actually offered this to the owner earlier but he declined it. Changed his mind when Marquise Brown was there and he said he didn't originally think he would be. Not sure why he didn't originally tell me he wanted to wait until the pick was OTC before declining it, but whatever.
Well you may not be bragging but I’m definitely jealous. Couldn’t swing that trade in my leagues because the guy at 1.07 and 1.09 snapped up those willing firsts before it got to my 1.11.
It's definitely league dependent and the 1.07 and 1.09 can really be a different tier than our picks depending on the owner's perception. I made a point a while back about Marquise being a TNT type of player - the kind of guy that can create points all by himself. The first time he takes a 2 yard screen pass 70 yards and follows that up with a 9 yard slat going 80. he's going to be untouchable. I'm not saying he's QB proof, nor that Jackson can be The Man, but Brown can mitigate a whole lot of bad in a hurry. He's an easy one to fall in love with and he went 1.05 and 1.06 in prior drafts.
Thats essentially 3 firsts (I assume Williams would go top 3-4 in this draft) and an early 2nd (Fant) for OBJ. I think thats pretty solid value. Still not sure I could part with him, but it seems fair to me.
That is a whole lot of home run swings for OBJ though, I don't think that's so much about rookie fever as risk/reward calculations. By ADP from DLF that's 1.01, 1.04 (Mike right after Sanders), 1.08, and 1.11 (Fant, who I like the best of all of them in TE premium). That's hard to say no to. Hope someone offers it to me.
It's TE premium so Fant is absolutely a first round player. I think the value on the players and in a landslide.
I'm not thrilled by the names, but if you offered me 4 1sts for OBJ I have to take it.
Team B wins that one pretty easily in my eyes. Beckham is a top-5 overall player, getting him for a bunch of question marks is a steal.
It’s close.
I dont think this is rookie fever. I think this is a good value move that likely pays dividends starting in 2020. I can see both sides but this can NOT be considered rookie fever
I own OBJ in 2 leagues and I would certainly take a deal like that if it were offered.
