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2 hours ago, JohnnyU said:

Devy 

Team A gets Gurley and Darrell Henderson

Team B gets Travis Etienne RB Clemson

Odd anyone wouldn’t want to just roll the dice on Etiene for the mediocre production of what has become of Gurley.

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33 minutes ago, Dr. Octopus said:

Odd anyone wouldn’t want to just roll the dice on Etiene for the mediocre production of what has become of Gurley.

Well, Henderson isn't just a throw-in.  I made the trade for Etienne. 

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6 hours ago, ChuckLiddell said:

Made a big move for the playoff push:

Traded 2 firsts (both playoff teams) and a late 3rd for Derrick Henry.  Henry slots in as my RB1 over the terribly mediocre and horribly disappointing trio of Gurley/Mixon/Freeman.

I own Henry and drafted him as a rookie, so I’ve been waiting for this. And I’m in the playoffs. But I’d be tempted to accept that offer. 

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9 hours ago, ChuckLiddell said:

Made a big move for the playoff push:

Traded 2 firsts (both playoff teams) and a late 3rd for Derrick Henry.  Henry slots in as my RB1 over the terribly mediocre and horribly disappointing trio of Gurley/Mixon/Freeman.

I'll take Henry. 

And btw great example of why you don't give up on guys so early. He goes from being valued as a second in early 2018 - people were trying to give him away for anything - to now 2 firsts + a year later. I mean just go back and read That Henry thread 

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2 hours ago, tombonneau said:

I'll take Henry. 

And btw great example of why you don't give up on guys so early. He goes from being valued as a second in early 2018 - people were trying to give him away for anything - to now 2 firsts + a year later. I mean just go back and read That Henry thread 

Exactly. I was tempted to dump him for a second rounder this offseason.

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10 Team PPR Dynasty

Team A received David Johnson, Tom Brady (more than likely out of the playoffs)

Team B received James White, Drew Brees  (looking for more depth for the playoff run)

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17 hours ago, JohnnyU said:

Well, Henderson isn't just a throw-in.  I made the trade for Etienne. 

Sure but Henderson has not looked all that great in his limited work. It’s not a terrible deal but I found it odd.

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1 hour ago, Dr. Octopus said:

Sure but Henderson has not looked all that great in his limited work. It’s not a terrible deal but I found it odd.

I saw a game earlier where Henderson came in and looked like he was shot out of a cannon.  He's got a lot of life in those legs and someday he will get to show more of it.  I like getting Etienne, but I hate losing Henderson more than Gurley. 

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33 minutes ago, JohnnyU said:

I saw a game earlier where Henderson came in and looked like he was shot out of a cannon.  He's got a lot of life in those legs and someday he will get to show more of it.  I like getting Etienne, but I hate losing Henderson more than Gurley. 

I'm getting lower on Etienne as I'm not sure he is an NFL 3 down back. My biggest issue is he's 200 pounds. Hes my rb6 in 2020 right now. Henderson could still be a bust (I'm still holding out hope) and Gurley doesnt looks great. Not sure which side I would want here tbh, so I'll call it an even swap given the LAR woes and Henderson off to a slow start

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9 minutes ago, Dr. Dan said:

I'm getting lower on Etienne as I'm not sure he is an NFL 3 down back. My biggest issue is he's 200 pounds. Hes my rb6 in 2020 right now. Henderson could still be a bust (I'm still holding out hope) and Gurley doesnt looks great. Not sure which side I would want here tbh, so I'll call it an even swap given the LAR woes and Henderson off to a slow start

You never know with Etienne, he could land in a horrible situation, but I like his talent just as much as Taylor or Swift.  In fact, he could land in a better situation making him more valuable in dynasty than either.  I predict that a better team will draft Etienne before Taylor or Swift, who will probably go earlier in the draft.  This is the risk you take when you trade for college players over proven NFL players.  It could backfire on you in a heartbeat.

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35 minutes ago, JohnnyU said:

You never know with Etienne, he could land in a horrible situation, but I like his talent just as much as Taylor or Swift.  In fact, he could land in a better situation making him more valuable in dynasty than either.  I predict that a better team will draft Etienne before Taylor or Swift, who will probably go earlier in the draft.  This is the risk you take when you trade for college players over proven NFL players.  It could backfire on you in a heartbeat.

This is very true. The upside is there, especially if a better team takes him. 

This RB class seems over rated to me in general. We may only see one 1st rounder, and it could be in the teens to 20s again. It's way better than 2019 but not nearly as good as what many made it out to be. 

There are teams looking at RBs round 2 and 3 and Etienne may very well find himself in a great situation. I dont play devy leagues, and I am just starting to make my rookie tiers. A lot can change after the draft is over

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3 minutes ago, Dr. Dan said:

This is very true. The upside is there, especially if a better team takes him. 

This RB class seems over rated to me in general. We may only see one 1st rounder, and it could be in the teens to 20s again. It's way better than 2019 but not nearly as good as what many made it out to be. 

There are teams looking at RBs round 2 and 3 and Etienne may very well find himself in a great situation. I dont play devy leagues, and I am just starting to make my rookie tiers. A lot can change after the draft is over

I disagree with you about only 1 1st rd RB.  I believe there will will be at least two and possibly three.

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3 minutes ago, JohnnyU said:

I disagree with you about only 1 1st rd RB.  I believe there will will be at least two and possibly three.

That would make me feel much better. I think there should be but I was surprised to see some sites with 2-3 round grades, based on league feedback, on some very good RBs. Its early. 

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2 minutes ago, Dr. Dan said:

That would make me feel much better. I think there should be but I was surprised to see some sites with 2-3 round grades, based on league feedback, on some very good RBs. Its early. 

Ii think this class of RBs is better than most years and some teams will look at that to wait until the 2nd round.  I just think the grades on Taylor and Swift, and probably even Etienne, are too good for the 2nd round.

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1 minute ago, JohnnyU said:

Ii think this class of RBs is better than most years and some teams will look at that to wait until the 2nd round.  I just think the grades on Taylor and Swift, and probably even Etienne, are too good for the 2nd round.

Do you think there are enough teams where their biggest need is RB/would go for a RB round 1? 

Miami, since they have so many picks, seems like an obvious choice

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5 minutes ago, Dr. Dan said:

Do you think there are enough teams where their biggest need is RB/would go for a RB round 1? 

Miami, since they have so many picks, seems like an obvious choice

I can definitely see at least two teams taking a RB in Rd 1 and I can see teams trading up to the later part of Rd 1 to take one of the three if he's still on the board late in Rd 1.  Having said that, there are other RBs with great value to be had in Rd. 2 or later.  The depth of this RB class is great, both at the top and later.   I just don't see the top 3 dropping in the draft.  

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10 minutes ago, JohnnyU said:

I can definitely see at least two teams taking a RB in Rd 1 and I can see teams trading up to the later part of Rd 1 to take one of the three if he's still on the board late in Rd 1.  Having said that, there are other RBs with great value to be had in Rd. 2 or later.  The depth of this RB class is great, both at the top and later.   I just don't see the top 3 dropping in the draft.  

Nice to hear your opinion. That was mine prior to recent mocks and other sites having 1 (or 0) RBs with round 1 grades. I really like my top 5 and could see them going in the first 2 rounds. Etienne is my 6th rb and I obviously have him rated lower than you but I have him as a low 2nd/early 3rd grade right now and my 6th rookie rb. I agree with you that the depth seems pretty great. rb6 in this draft class is still a top prospect 

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14 Team No PPR

Got: DHenry and TLockett

Gave: Bell and Julio

I am the #3 seed.  Love the upgrade from Bell to Henry for playoff run. Julio's age is creeping up and injuries are mounting.

I have McCaffrey, DFreeman, Hopkins, Godwin, KAllen along with 3 #1 picks --- 2 are top 8

 

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6 hours ago, BearsFan4Life said:

14 Team No PPR

Got: DHenry and TLockett

Gave: Bell and Julio

I am the #3 seed.  Love the upgrade from Bell to Henry for playoff run. Julio's age is creeping up and injuries are mounting.

I have McCaffrey, DFreeman, Hopkins, Godwin, KAllen along with 3 #1 picks --- 2 are top 8

 

I like this for you

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11 hours ago, BearsFan4Life said:

14 Team No PPR

Got: DHenry and TLockett

Gave: Bell and Julio

I am the #3 seed.  Love the upgrade from Bell to Henry for playoff run. Julio's age is creeping up and injuries are mounting.

I have McCaffrey, DFreeman, Hopkins, Godwin, KAllen along with 3 #1 picks --- 2 are top 8

 

you destroyed that trade.  Due to age you won't regret losing Julio and Henry >>>>>>>>>>>>> Bell.

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In the midst of a full rebuild in my 10 team superflex dynasty.  Made the trade with a contender on Sunday morning.

 

I sent:

Dede Westbrook

Ryan Griffin

2020 3rd (will be 3.5)

 

I got:

Dallas Goedert

2021 2nd (likely mid-late)

 

Wanted to upgrade TE group since this year it's become clear that while Evan Engram is a good fantasy asset, he can also be counted on for an annual injury.  Adding Goedert to a group that also includes Ebron and Dawson Knox feels solid if not spectacular.  

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5 hours ago, coachoneill said:

In the midst of a full rebuild in my 10 team superflex dynasty.  Made the trade with a contender on Sunday morning.

 

I sent:

Dede Westbrook

Ryan Griffin

2020 3rd (will be 3.5)

 

I got:

Dallas Goedert

2021 2nd (likely mid-late)

 

Wanted to upgrade TE group since this year it's become clear that while Evan Engram is a good fantasy asset, he can also be counted on for an annual injury.  Adding Goedert to a group that also includes Ebron and Dawson Knox feels solid if not spectacular.  

I'm confused... what does Engram have to do with this trade?

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On 12/6/2019 at 9:22 PM, ILUVBEER99 said:

you destroyed that trade.  Due to age you won't regret losing Julio and Henry >>>>>>>>>>>>> Bell.

Remember when Henry was a dog and Bell was the best RB in the not so distant past?  As for Julio, I would be hard pressed to trade him for that.  He could be slowing down some but I expect at least 3 more very good years from him.  RBs can fade very fast in the NFL as we have seen.  In dynasty I don't do this trade without a 1st rd pick thrown in.  What if Bell is traded to the Chiefs?

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2 hours ago, JohnnyU said:

 What if Bell is traded to the Chiefs?

Interesting consideration, if not actually likely, but if we consider this option, Bell will be more a Rec RB and not a plodder or GL RB.  He would be getting carries late when the game is out of hand, but they would/should have a decent reliable RB2 to share this role.  I could see Bell being Top 15 in such a role, but I don't know if he has the "interest" to push himself to be Top 5 again.  Some of it is the question is his heart into it like previously? 

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14 hours ago, Dr. Dan said:

I'm confused... what does Engram have to do with this trade?

Should've clarified.  Engram is also a member of my team.  While he had been my presumed TE1 going forward.  However his injury history and pairing with Daniel Jones led me to realize that perhaps I needed to add another tight end with some upside and not solely rely on Engram to be my guy going forward.

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2 hours ago, coachoneill said:

Should've clarified.  Engram is also a member of my team.  While he had been my presumed TE1 going forward.  However his injury history and pairing with Daniel Jones led me to realize that perhaps I needed to add another tight end with some upside and not solely rely on Engram to be my guy going forward.

That makes way more sense. when you listed your other TEs and Engram wasnt included I was confused. 

You traded up about 8 spots from 3rd round to 2nd, and got a pretty solid 2nd option at TE in exchange for a TE who likely wont have value next year and a WR who at this point seems like a dime a dozen guy

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12-team QRRWWWTF 0.75ppr

Trade 1 - made just prior to playoffs, I'm rebuilding he's contending

Gave: Devin Singletary

Got: 2020 1st (8 overall)

 

Trade 2 - Made just after this guy was eliminated from the playoffs.

Gave: 2020 1st (will fall between 9-12)

Got: Odell Beckham Jr. 

I know some of you will kill the guy who gave me OBJ, but I can understand his desire to move on. And yes I realize it's crazy I got more for Singletary than I gave for Odell. I'm sure Odell is very available in many leagues right now. 

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I have 2 offers to consider from the same owner & would love community feedback:

I have Evan Engram & little depth at TE (Gronk (lol), Uzomah, Hurst) but I’m pretty loaded at WR. Hopkins, Evans, Boyd, Sutton, TyWilliams, ARob, D.Robinson, KeeSean Johnson, Tavon Austin (who could have a larger role if AC is gone), Chester Rodgers & Deon Cain.

i also have very little 2020 draft equity as I had to trade much away for some RB depth & Boyd/KeeSaun. And it’s really, really hard to trust Engram to stay healthy. 

Offer 1

I give Sutton

I get Ertz & a 2020 1st (1.07 of 12 teams)

Offer 2: 

I give Boyd

i get Ertz & a 2020 2nd (2.07)

 

I like both offers, but I’m leaning towards offer #2. While I’m high on Boyd, Lock showed me enough to want to keep Sutton as a core player. 
 

also worth noting, we have 5 flex & 1 Superflex, so if EE stays healthy I can arguably start both if needs be (BYE/matchup/just because) so lineup depth isn’t really hurt by either deal. 

Is 2020 draft deep enough to make that 1st rounder worth losing Sutton? Is Boyd too good for just Ertz/2nd? 
 

Dynasty guru feedback much appreciated. 

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6 minutes ago, IHEARTFF said:

Not bad at all, but I would be targeting different TEs besides Ertz going forward. 

That’s what’s on the table though. :shrug:
which of the two would you take? 

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On 12/11/2019 at 1:14 PM, fredsavage said:

12-team QRRWWWTF 0.75ppr

Trade 1 - made just prior to playoffs, I'm rebuilding he's contending

Gave: Devin Singletary

Got: 2020 1st (8 overall)

I have a huge mancrush  on Singletary & will likely overspend for him in redraft next year, so I would have probably kept him, or tried for a little more than 1.08, but it’s not terrible. If truly rebuilding I get it but you may have been able to get a 3rd too. 

On 12/11/2019 at 1:14 PM, fredsavage said:

Trade 2 - Made just after this guy was eliminated from the playoffs.

Gave: 2020 1st (will fall between 9-12)

Got: Odell Beckham Jr. 

I know some of you will kill the guy who gave me OBJ, but I can understand his desire to move on. And yes I realize it's crazy I got more for Singletary than I gave for Odell. I'm sure Odell is very available in many leagues right now. 

I think that’s a fair price IF

1. Beckham has surgery and is healthy

2. CLE gets its offensive woes figured out

3. OBJ stops being a malcontent PITA

That’s a lot that has to go right....but the upside is definitely there. 

personally I’m unlikely to invest too much in Browns players. That franchise is cursed. 

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On 12/11/2019 at 3:14 PM, fredsavage said:

12-team QRRWWWTF 0.75ppr

Trade 1 - made just prior to playoffs, I'm rebuilding he's contending

Gave: Devin Singletary

Got: 2020 1st (8 overall)

 

Trade 2 - Made just after this guy was eliminated from the playoffs.

Gave: 2020 1st (will fall between 9-12)

Got: Odell Beckham Jr. 

I know some of you will kill the guy who gave me OBJ, but I can understand his desire to move on. And yes I realize it's crazy I got more for Singletary than I gave for Odell. I'm sure Odell is very available in many leagues right now. 

I think you got a good return for Singletary there. Singletary is good, but at 1.8 you'll get a guy who has more upside IMO. 

trade 2... I don't like OBJ, at all, but this is a great deal for you obviously. If hype starts for OBJ he could be a quick flip for profit. Or if you like him you're taking a pretty decent shot at him regaining NY form. Based off this year alone, you got hosed... I wouldnt give him credit for his NY production myself, and I wouldn't give a late 1st for him just because I dont think his value goes higher than it is today. I can admit I'm in the minority on that. 

Best of luck to you on these deals!

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43 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

That’s what’s on the table though. :shrug:
which of the two would you take? 

Probably the 1.7

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8 minutes ago, IHEARTFF said:

Probably the 1.7

Is this year’s first round really worth the drop-off from Sutton to Boyd though? That’s what I’m struggling with - I’m not sure what 2020 looks like for Cinci at QB. Heck, I’m not even sure Boyd will be featured over Ross - they seem like WR1a & 1b. 

i love Sutton’s situation. 

this is tough. Thanks for the response though. 

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58 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

Offer 1

I give Sutton

I get Ertz & a 2020 1st (1.07 of 12 teams)

I like Sutton a lot but I think I would go Ertz and the 7 with this upcoming class. 7 could land a really good WR or RB or at least put you easily in striking distance to trade up farther.

 

Edit: Seems like a lock Cinci will be drafting Burrow at this point. But I definitely wouldn't say it's a lock that AJG will be gone.

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9 minutes ago, Buckna said:

I like Sutton a lot but I think I would go Ertz and the 7 with this upcoming class. 7 could land a really good WR or RB or at least put you easily in striking distance to trade up farther.

 

Edit: Seems like a lock Cinci will be drafting Burrow at this point. But I definitely wouldn't say it's a lock that AJG will be gone.

That’s part of why Sutton feels more like a keeper - if all of Ross, AJG & Boyd are still in Cinci next year, and considering I don’t know who their QB is, wouldn’t it be a lot safer dealing Boyd (and riskier keeping him)? 

is the 1.07 really worth that much for 2020 vs the 2.07?   Draft picks are so hit or miss...plus if anything I’d probably take a QB since it’s a superflex & I’ve got Brady/Mahomes/Carr. Brady seems like he’s got a very short shelf-life right now. hard to know what’s gonna happen to Carr. I wish he had enough weapons this year to see his potential. 

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On 12/11/2019 at 3:14 PM, fredsavage said:

12-team QRRWWWTF 0.75ppr

Trade 1 - made just prior to playoffs, I'm rebuilding he's contending

Gave: Devin Singletary

Got: 2020 1st (8 overall)

 

 

I would probably rather thave the 1.8 because I like this draft, but in reality, giving up Singletary at this point for a late 1st seems like giving up too early to me.  Probably a wash unless you hit on someone with the 1.8, which is a good possibility in this draft.

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1 minute ago, JohnnyU said:

I would probably rather thave the 1.8 because I like this draft, but in reality, giving up Singletary at this point for a late 1st seems like giving up too early to me.  Probably a wash unless you hit on someone with the 1.8, which is a good possibility in this draft.

That’s just it - how much do we realistically expect from Gore in 2020?  Buffalo will have to have someone as a breather back, but the first 3-4 games it was a lot more of a split. 

so arguably we haven’t seen anything close to the best of Singletary, especially since his QB is still developing as well. 

To make this deal worthwhile, he’d 1. Have to nail the 1.08 pick with a bust-proof player & 2. Be deep enough at RB to afford to lose Singletary (which may well be the case & reason for the trade). 

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1 hour ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

That’s what’s on the table though. :shrug:
which of the two would you take? 

Waiting for someone to scold you for posting this here... but for now- IMO I'd take neither trade

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10 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

That’s just it - how much do we realistically expect from Gore in 2020?  Buffalo will have to have someone as a breather back, but the first 3-4 games it was a lot more of a split. 

so arguably we haven’t seen anything close to the best of Singletary, especially since his QB is still developing as well. 

To make this deal worthwhile, he’d 1. Have to nail the 1.08 pick with a bust-proof player & 2. Be deep enough at RB to afford to lose Singletary (which may well be the case & reason for the trade). 

My reasoning is that I took singletary in the 2nd round as an underwhelming athlete but good situation and potential to make some noise on an ascending offense. From what I had seen up to the time of the trade I really liked singletary but I expect the bills to invest in another competent rb if not a true feature back through draft or FA. Singletary could lose value between then and the draft, and not likely to emerge as a bonafide stud worth a top 5 pick, whereas the 1.8 will have a constant value which fits my goals in a rebuild. Can’t say I wouldn’t love to have the Motor on my team but I wanted lots of bullets to fire at this acclaimed draft class.

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5 minutes ago, fredsavage said:

My reasoning is that I took singletary in the 2nd round as an underwhelming athlete but good situation and potential to make some noise on an ascending offense. From what I had seen up to the time of the trade I really liked singletary but I expect the bills to invest in another competent rb if not a true feature back through draft or FA. Singletary could lose value between then and the draft, and not likely to emerge as a bonafide stud worth a top 5 pick, whereas the 1.8 will have a constant value which fits my goals in a rebuild. Can’t say I wouldn’t love to have the Motor on my team but I wanted lots of bullets to fire at this acclaimed draft class.

I agree here

 

ETA, you turned a 2nd round pick into a 1st. good work

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19 minutes ago, Dr. Dan said:

Waiting for someone to scold you for posting this here... but for now- IMO I'd take neither trade

It’s a dynasty trade topic & the season is over. Where better to post it? 

also why neither? I need a TE - offers seem fair?  :shrug:

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In the preseason I moved Mixon for Ingram and a 2020 1st and 2nd. They ended up the 1.01 and 2.01. Ingram might *still* outscore Mixon next year. Probably a dog to do so but not by much today. 

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10 minutes ago, fredsavage said:

My reasoning is that I took singletary in the 2nd round as an underwhelming athlete but good situation and potential to make some noise on an ascending offense. From what I had seen up to the time of the trade I really liked singletary but I expect the bills to invest in another competent rb if not a true feature back through draft or FA. Singletary could lose value between then and the draft, and not likely to emerge as a bonafide stud worth a top 5 pick, whereas the 1.8 will have a constant value which fits my goals in a rebuild. Can’t say I wouldn’t love to have the Motor on my team but I wanted lots of bullets to fire at this acclaimed draft class.

That’s fair reasoning. As mentioned, I mancrush on Motor, which would cloud my judgement on this. I was being totally up front about that. :lol: 
 

But I agree that the Bills will be bringing in a RB. I’m just not sure if Singletary loses, gains or remains constant value from that.  I don’t expect the Bills to make it a high priority as I think they’re going to give Singletary every chance to be a feature back (or as much of one as the Bills use since they have a running QB) for 2020.

but I respect your reasoning & I think your deal was fair. 

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3 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

It’s a dynasty trade topic & the season is over. Where better to post it? 

also why neither? I need a TE - offers seem fair?  :shrug:

I'd probably take the 1.07 and then you still have the option to flip Ertz if you want. I think he still has at least 2 years of elite status, likely more. 

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Just now, barackdhouse said:

In the preseason I moved Mixon for Ingram and a 2020 1st and 2nd. They ended up the 1.01 and 2.01. Ingram might *still* outscore Mixon next year. Probably a dog to do so but not by much today. 

Because of where the picks ended up you slayed that deal. You’ll likely get 1 more RB2-3 season out of Ingram, and you’re now loaded with draft equity. Great job if you can nail one or both of those picks. 

Also, I like Mixon as a player but detest him as a person, and I don’t like owning Browns or Bengals. So that’s a bonus. 

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7 minutes ago, Hot Sauce Guy said:

It’s a dynasty trade topic & the season is over. Where better to post it? 

also why neither? I need a TE - offers seem fair?  :shrug:

I think it was 2 years ago I was told this is for completed trades only (season is never over in dynasty!)

 

I think both trades are fair value, if you like Ertz. 1.7 is okay, but not great. Sutton is a hit already, and a rookie is a 50/50 crap shoot. at 1.7 consider the top 4 rbs and lamb/jeudy are gone... so you're kind of into that 3rd or 4th tier already. 

The 2nd trade is probably the one I'd do it I were desperate for a TE, but again... just not very high on Ertz. I'm not liking that te situation in philly- hard to get a pulse on it. 

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