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2 minutes ago, Dr. Dan said:

I'm surprised you didnt take it then. depending on your wrs, it could have been a good win now window. 50% chance one of those 1st rounders is a bust

I'm in no position other than my own, but I would have fat-fingered accept on my phone until Ma Bell got rung.

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1 hour ago, Dr. Octopus said:

The biggest thing that people forget is that the general fantasy trade market isn’t necessary precedent for the closed market you’re dealing in. Our trade market is limited to 11 other teams and only 1 team if you’re trying to buy a specific player.

Yup. If you want a particular guy --- say, Kareem Hunt, just off of the top of my head -- good luck if the owner hasn't checked into the league in twenty-seven days now, no matter how good the offer.

You're just stuck with the situation. :kicksrock:

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8 hours ago, RushHour said:

I'd have probably declined, given the strength of the top 5 this year. I don't believe one player gives you enough of an advantage in any given league to do a trade like that.  

This is definitely a strong class, but no "can't miss" players (at RB at least) and Barkley surely gives you an advantage at the RB position over most teams in your league. I don't think it was a no-brainer offer but I'd surely take it knowing that the worse case scenario some one gets two young studs while I'm "stuck" with just Barkley.

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3 hours ago, Dr. Octopus said:

The biggest thing that people forget is that the general fantasy trade market isn’t necessary precedent for the closed market you’re dealing in. Our trade market is limited to 11 other teams and only 1 team if you’re trying to buy a specific player.

You mean you can't just grab a trade deal off the shelf anytime you want?

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15 hours ago, rockaction said:

Sometimes in order to get the deal done, you can't get something else. There's a fine line between pretending to walk away from a deal and actually having to do so. If you think that the value is a wash and so does the other guy, good luck getting more out of it sometimes. 

You have to be willing to walk away if the deal isn't right.  Just bad business otherwise.

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15 hours ago, ex-ghost said:

Not involved. Non-ppr, standard lineup and scoring

Team A gives: Chark, 1.6, 1.11

Team B gives: M. Sanders

I am high on Sanders and lower than most on Chark but I still think the picks more than make up the difference here.  Seems like Chark is being traded a ton in here.

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11 hours ago, Smokin Okie said:

Was sent an offer tonight:

I get Saquon, 3rd rd 2021

He gets 1.03, 1.05, 2.01, WR Kirk

I declined the offer. 

I don't want to confuse this with rookie hype but the only reason I might say no to this is the fun factor. I'm not sure how long you've had these picks,  but if you've had them awhile and you've spent months breaking down rookies, we got no sports in the world, we are within 10 days of the draft and general joy of watching the draft and how that will offer you chance to truly visualize what these picks will buy you, then the wheeling and dealing or drafting coming up and now someone wants you to just give that up. That would be tough.

Because of the fun factor and my past history with a similar offer as much as it pained me, unless I needed to consolidate I'd probably pass.

FWIW I won't go into a long spiel about my team but I had an almost identical offer for Elliot in 2017 and this was after Elliot was coming off his rookie season and consensus top dynasty player.  Was also offered about this time. No trade offer has ever been more difficult for me to decide. I ended up passing and have no regrets.

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12 hours ago, Dez said:

Apparently you missed a few that went down in my leagues over the past couple weeks.

Hockeson in a 1.5 TE PPR for E- Sanders.............straight up

Beckham and Graham 1.5 TE PPR for Waller 

OBJ and Graham for Waller.  Wow.  That is horrible.  Wish I could have got that in the league I have Darren the Baller Waller.

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11 hours ago, Smokin Okie said:

Was sent an offer tonight:

I get Saquon, 3rd rd 2021

He gets 1.03, 1.05, 2.01, WR Kirk

I declined the offer. 

I think I would have taken this in a heart beat.  Saquon is an absolute beast and young enough to make it worth it.

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2 hours ago, Dr. Dan said:

I like my team, and its situation, if someone wants one or more of my players they will have to over pay. Simple as that. I am setting the market high, and most people will walk away. That's fine with me. I am in a win now window, so you pay the win now tax

I tend to like my players but don't try and make people overpay. If I see a deal that makes my team better I don't who wins but when people lowball me for my players and get uptight over a counter I might make  I do like to remind them they are the one's that came shopping in my store and I was not hanging any for sale signs out.

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3 hours ago, Dr. Dan said:

I'm surprised you didnt take it then. depending on your wrs, it could have been a good win now window. 50% chance one of those 1st rounders is a bust

Wide receivers:
Juju
D Adams
Sutton
DJ Moore
Hollywood Brown
N’Keal Harry

we’ve been discussing a Saquon deal for awhile now. Could probably still get the deal done. 

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12 team FFPC style (this is the one that disbands after 2020 jackpot season)

I gave Conner, Mostert, 1.07
I got Ross, 1.01, 2.12

I don't care about Ross I just wanted to move up. Now I hold the 1.01 and 1.02 and am back to back champion heading into the huge final season. I now have Kamara, Jones, DWilliams, Ingram and the 1.01,1.02 at RB. I have Adams, Julio, Evans, Landry and now Ross at WR. I'd like to improve my WR4 spot. Higbee, Waller, Ebron at TE and Rodgers at QB. 

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2 minutes ago, barackdhouse said:

12 team FFPC style (this is the one that disbands after 2020 jackpot season)

I gave Conner, Mostert, 1.07
I got Ross, 1.01, 2.12

I don't care about Ross I just wanted to move up. Now I hold the 1.01 and 1.02 and am back to back champion heading into the huge final season. I now have Kamara, Jones, DWilliams, Ingram and the 1.01,1.02 at RB. I have Adams, Julio, Evans, Landry and now Ross at WR. I'd like to improve my WR4 spot. Higbee, Waller, Ebron at TE and Rodgers at QB. 

Huge win for you, IMHO. No way do I give 1.01 for that. No way. Pittsburgh is making noises about drafting a back, Mostert is RBBC even though I love him as a player.

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2 minutes ago, rockaction said:

Huge win for you, IMHO. No way do I give 1.01 for that. No way. Pittsburgh is making noises about drafting a back, Mostert is RBBC even though I love him as a player.

This seems to be the consensus among my league mates. The other guy's roster really sucks and in my opinion he is giving himself a better shot to compete. I have bought Conner in a couple other places and think he will outcompete any rookie that isn't one of the top 2 in a season where it will be hard on rookies. Or at least I sold it that way. The noise coming out of Pittsburgh is enough to give me remorse, though, so I'm glad to have moved on here. I love Mostert and he absolutely has starting RB value this year. I feel like I gave up quite a bit here, but taking Taylor Swift will be fun.

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29 minutes ago, Smokin Okie said:

Wide receivers:
Juju
D Adams
Sutton
DJ Moore
Hollywood Brown
N’Keal Harry

we’ve been discussing a Saquon deal for awhile now. Could probably still get the deal done. 

really surprised at how long your posts have been here and nobody has yelled at you

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14 minutes ago, barackdhouse said:

Now I hold the 1.01 and 1.02 and am back to back champion heading into the huge final season.

 

4 minutes ago, barackdhouse said:

taking Taylor Swift will be fun.

Won't you be forced to draft situation instead of talent?  Not that this is all bad, but counting on a couple rookies without any track record in a final season is ambitious to say the least . . .

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15 minutes ago, Pwingles said:

really surprised at how long your posts have been here and nobody has yelled at you

Don't worry, my wife more than makes up for it.

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14 minutes ago, Dave Stauff said:

 

Won't you be forced to draft situation instead of talent?  Not that this is all bad, but counting on a couple rookies without any track record in a final season is ambitious to say the least . . .

Yes I agree. I think there is considerable risk on my side.

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15 minutes ago, Dave Stauff said:

 

Won't you be forced to draft situation instead of talent?  Not that this is all bad, but counting on a couple rookies without any track record in a final season is ambitious to say the least . . .

I also wouldn't say "counting on", per se, did you see the rest of my roster? I will be (and have been for some time) sitting studs each week that put up 20+ on my bench. 1st world problem but I'm not necessarily "counting on" any of these trade pieces. Conner and Mostert are potentially startable if they survive the draft but even if they are I might have ended up benching them for Kamara and Jones regardless. Even Ingram and Williams might get the nod there. 

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34 minutes ago, barackdhouse said:

12 team FFPC style (this is the one that disbands after 2020 jackpot season)

I gave Conner, Mostert, 1.07
I got Ross, 1.01, 2.12

I don't care about Ross I just wanted to move up. Now I hold the 1.01 and 1.02 and am back to back champion heading into the huge final season. I now have Kamara, Jones, DWilliams, Ingram and the 1.01,1.02 at RB. I have Adams, Julio, Evans, Landry and now Ross at WR. I'd like to improve my WR4 spot. Higbee, Waller, Ebron at TE and Rodgers at QB. 

I think this worked out great for you.  Who are you leaning towards drafting with the first two picks?

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36 minutes ago, barackdhouse said:

12 team FFPC style (this is the one that disbands after 2020 jackpot season)

I gave Conner, Mostert, 1.07
I got Ross, 1.01, 2.12

I don't care about Ross I just wanted to move up. Now I hold the 1.01 and 1.02 and am back to back champion heading into the huge final season. I now have Kamara, Jones, DWilliams, Ingram and the 1.01,1.02 at RB. I have Adams, Julio, Evans, Landry and now Ross at WR. I'd like to improve my WR4 spot. Higbee, Waller, Ebron at TE and Rodgers at QB. 

I really like this move.  I am not a believer in Conner or Mostert.  Good move.

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Just now, Smokin Okie said:

I think this worked out great for you.  Who are you leaning towards drafting with the first two picks?

I will more than likely be taking Taylor Swift. It's so easy.

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19 minutes ago, Dave Stauff said:

 

Won't you be forced to draft situation instead of talent?  Not that this is all bad, but counting on a couple rookies without any track record in a final season is ambitious to say the least . . .

Oh and one more thing, I already held the 1.02 before the trade, so it's just one rookie that I would arguably be counting on here.

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1 hour ago, Jonesin For Some Football said:

I really like this move.  I am not a believer in Conner or Mostert.  Good move.

I'm not long term either but since the league ends after this season they both have potential to outproduce any rookie RB. I wouldn't bet on it but if the Steelers don't draft a rookie early I'd put the chances close to 50/50 Conner outperforms the 1.01. Now because I think the Steelers may just do so I would surely favor the 1.01, I'm just saying his league's unique format doesn't make that deal the clear slam dunk it would be in a "normal" league.

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12 team startup dynasty best ball superflex draft

Traded: 5.9, 6.4, 14.4 picks

Received: Kamara, 20.7 pick 

After just finishing the 2nd round, roster is currently Lamar, Godwin, and Kamara. Still have 3.9 and 4.4 picks before the 2 round gap where I sit and wait during 5th and 6th round. Felt it was worth it to get Kamara though. 

 

 


 

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4 minutes ago, ffmail4me said:

12 team startup dynasty best ball superflex draft

Traded: 5.9, 6.4, 14.4 picks

Received: Kamara, 20.7 pick 

After just finishing the 2nd round, roster is currently Lamar, Godwin, and Kamara. Still have 3.9 and 4.4 picks before the 2 round gap where I sit and wait during 5th and 6th round. Felt it was worth it to get Kamara though. 

 

 


 

Where was Kamara drafted? That seems ridiculously cheap for him.

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3 hours ago, barackdhouse said:

12 team FFPC style (this is the one that disbands after 2020 jackpot season)

I gave Conner, Mostert, 1.07
I got Ross, 1.01, 2.12

I don't care about Ross I just wanted to move up. Now I hold the 1.01 and 1.02 and am back to back champion heading into the huge final season. I now have Kamara, Jones, DWilliams, Ingram and the 1.01,1.02 at RB. I have Adams, Julio, Evans, Landry and now Ross at WR. I'd like to improve my WR4 spot. Higbee, Waller, Ebron at TE and Rodgers at QB. 

Love that deal even without Ross, 2.12

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Just now, Dr. Octopus said:

Where was Kamara drafted? That seems ridiculously cheap for him.

He fell to 2.10, just seemed to good of value NOT to trade up and take him there. Scoring is pretty unique in this league thought. RBs get .5 PPR and .2 points per carry and per target. WRs get 1.25 PPR and 1.25 points per first down. TEs get 1.5 PPR and 1.5 points per first down. 

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Deals in different PPR leagues:

Traded Sammy Watkins for this year’s 2.06.

Traded 1.12 for his next year’s first and this year’s 3.02. 

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19 minutes ago, Spike said:

Deals in different PPR leagues:

Traded Sammy Watkins for this year’s 2.06.

Traded 1.12 for his next year’s first and this year’s 3.02. 

I would take the 2.06 for Watkins...he is what he is at this point and I don't see you getting anything more then that...I would be in no rush to make the second deal with this years draft being deep...every draft has guys who slip no matter how much you think you know how it will unfold...I would hate to move that pick and have a Ruggs or CEH on the board at 1.12.

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4 hours ago, barackdhouse said:

12 team FFPC style (this is the one that disbands after 2020 jackpot season)

I gave Conner, Mostert, 1.07
I got Ross, 1.01, 2.12

I don't care about Ross I just wanted to move up. Now I hold the 1.01 and 1.02 and am back to back champion heading into the huge final season. I now have Kamara, Jones, DWilliams, Ingram and the 1.01,1.02 at RB. I have Adams, Julio, Evans, Landry and now Ross at WR. I'd like to improve my WR4 spot. Higbee, Waller, Ebron at TE and Rodgers at QB. 

This isn't really a dynasty league at this point, it's far more a redraft.  Giver me the two guys that had large roles last year over what might be a stud but might not.  The massive value of 1.01 is that he's someone you're gonna have for 4,5, 10 years and even if he starts slow he'll hold that long term value.  That's not happening in a redraft and I'm taking Conner and Mostert as flex/insurance guys for a big run.  1.01 might not even start for that team.

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3 hours ago, Pwingles said:

really surprised at how long your posts have been here and nobody has yelled at you

I learned a good deal from the discussion about that possible trade. And thats what I come to the shark pool for. I wish we were allowed to talk more like that on this post. I think it would be fruitful. Oh well.

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5 minutes ago, Mark Football said:

I learned a good deal from the discussion about that possible trade. And thats what I come to the shark pool for. I wish we were allowed to talk more like that on this post. I think it would be fruitful. Oh well.

I was def being funny about the whole thing, I don't personally care much.

I only report/complain about Lonestars posts

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28 minutes ago, Hankmoody said:

This isn't really a dynasty league at this point, it's far more a redraft.  Giver me the two guys that had large roles last year over what might be a stud but might not.  The massive value of 1.01 is that he's someone you're gonna have for 4,5, 10 years and even if he starts slow he'll hold that long term value.  That's not happening in a redraft and I'm taking Conner and Mostert as flex/insurance guys for a big run.  1.01 might not even start for that team.

Which is why I think the trade is much more fair than some have said to me. I'm also clearing a little roster space. This does mimic FFPC in that we have to cut down to 16. Ours doesn't cut down until the last day of the NFL draft, though, so we have a little more room to work. If I don't consolidate here, I have to either move or cut Ebron, Ingram, or DWilliams. 

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1 hour ago, ffmail4me said:

12 team startup dynasty best ball superflex draft

Traded: 5.9, 6.4, 14.4 picks

Received: Kamara, 20.7 pick 

After just finishing the 2nd round, roster is currently Lamar, Godwin, and Kamara. Still have 3.9 and 4.4 picks before the 2 round gap where I sit and wait during 5th and 6th round. Felt it was worth it to get Kamara though. 

 

 


 

I've never played best ball but that seems like an amazing deal.

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55 minutes ago, Spike said:

Deals in different PPR leagues:

Traded Sammy Watkins for this year’s 2.06.

Traded 1.12 for his next year’s first and this year’s 3.02. 

I like both deals but the 2nd one would depend on where I thought his would fall next year and what my team looked like.

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15 minutes ago, Jonesin For Some Football said:

I like both deals but the 2nd one would depend on where I thought his would fall next year and what my team looked like.

hope there’s some qb meat left on the bone

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PPR not involved. League Deals today. 
 

Phillip Rivers and a 2020 5th for a 2020 3rd and 2021 3rd. 
 

TY Hilton for Mostert, Foles, 2020 3rd, 2020 4th.  

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23 minutes ago, Jonesin For Some Football said:

I like both deals but the 2nd one would depend on where I thought his would fall next year and what my team looked like.

Feel the same.

That's about two rounds more then I'd pay for Watkins so love that deal.

But I'd need to know were that projected first is in 2021 before I come off 1.12 right now. Which is also some personal bias, I was thinking of something the other day and I've actually had more success with picks 11/12 then I have with picks 2/3. 11/12 has been my sweet spot.   Past may mean nothing for the future but that's in my head and I'd need to know were that future pick projects.

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2 minutes ago, Gottabesweet said:

PPR not involved. League Deals today. 
 

Phillip Rivers and a 2020 5th for a 2020 3rd and 2021 3rd. 
 

TY Hilton for Mostert, Foles, 2020 3rd, 2020 4th.  

Picks if in a one QB league unless roster size is huge and it's super hard to find a QB.

Hilton by a lot in the other for me.

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3 hours ago, Dr. Octopus said:

I'm not long term either but since the league ends after this season they both have potential to outproduce any rookie RB. I wouldn't bet on it but if the Steelers don't draft a rookie early I'd put the chances close to 50/50 Conner outperforms the 1.01. Now because I think the Steelers may just do so I would surely favor the 1.01, I'm just saying his league's unique format doesn't make that deal the clear slam dunk it would be in a "normal" league.

This is timely for me since this is basically a redraft league at this point. Last night I was doing a live redraft, one of those national type contests so I'm shooting for upside. I was coming up on 4/5 turn and took Taylor and Swift. Conner would have been my next choice.

It's all gamble. Not a ton of wide open RB landing spots and as we've discussed here the Steelers may very well want to add a RB but they only have one pick before like 100. I still decided I'd gamble on the rookies but I think at this point it's fair to say Swift and Taylor are 50/50 vs Conner in terms of performance.

But  I'm talking about drafting Swift and Taylor now, that's more like a 50/50 type proposition. But  if you let me pick the rookie RB at 1.1 after the NFL draft,  that heavily swings the odds IMO to value resting with the 1.1 so long as your not married to Swift to Taylor. That's why I think this was a really good trade to make to get the 1.1.

 

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18 hours ago, Mingooch said:

I might have paid that for Saquon

You would have paid that.

Not sure you can compare drafts but I gave 1.04, 1.07, future 1st to move up to 1.01 to get Barley in my dynasty rookie draft in 2018.

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1 hour ago, Mark Football said:

I learned a good deal from the discussion about that possible trade. And thats what I come to the shark pool for. I wish we were allowed to talk more like that on this post. I think it would be fruitful. Oh well.

But, in this thread, that's the first rule of the Hypothetical Trade club. Don't talk about the Hypothetical Trade! 😉

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2 hours ago, Mark Football said:

I learned a good deal from the discussion about that possible trade. And thats what I come to the shark pool for. I wish we were allowed to talk more like that on this post. I think it would be fruitful. Oh well.

I partially agree, but there are all kinds of places to do that, in particular the de facto stealth AC thread that's now a mile long and chock full of this stuff.  When people are in this thread they are looking for actual completed trades.  I know I only come here a couple times a week and I hate having to skim through a bunch of irrelevant stuff.

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27 minutes ago, Hankmoody said:

I partially agree, but there are all kinds of places to do that, in particular the de facto stealth AC thread that's now a mile long and chock full of this stuff.  When people are in this thread they are looking for actual completed trades.  I know I only come here a couple times a week and I hate having to skim through a bunch of irrelevant stuff.

I know there are differing opinions and there has been alot of discussion about it in the past. But Id like to hear more specific ideas about trades and values. Even in the dynasty discussion thread, if you start getting specific you'll often get pointed to the graveyard AC forum. I'd love there to be a thread that includes trade ideas and rejected trades. Theres probably more rejected trades out there than completed. I think there would be a lot of information to learn from a thread like that. 

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12 team IDP PPR 1.5 TE

Drake

for

1.08

4.08

Shaq Thompson

Demarcus Robinson

 

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2 hours ago, Dez said:

You would have paid that.

Not sure you can compare drafts but I gave 1.04, 1.07, future 1st to move up to 1.01 to get Barley in my dynasty rookie draft in 2018.

That was a good trade.  It would have taken a ton for me to move off of him in the rookie draft.  That is a lot but if it isn't ridiculous, I'd take Barkley over picks all day.  Ricky Williams it.  Lol.

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12 team IDP PPR 1.5 TE

Melvin Gordon

for

2021 1st

2021 2nd

Team was 5th place last year but just added Drake and Gordon

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